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2017 exmarx posted:you're delusional dude. hillary sucked as a candidate and you're apparently unable to name a single policy she campaigned on If the excuse is we can't run career politicians for the premiere political post then that's nonsense and giving up to the know nothings. I have repeatedly stood by the fact that we could have had a better candidate but why don't you point out this mythical Democratic party rockstar? lol that you think I don't know her platform when you display on a daily basis how little you paid attention other than through the critical leftist lens
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the paradigm shift posted:If the excuse is we can't run career politicians for the premiere political post then that's nonsense and giving up to the know nothings. If your country is crippled by regulatory capture, nepotism, and corruption, then no, you really can't.
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the paradigm shift posted:Once again completely unrelated to the argument at hand. Quit trying to fishmech me away from the original point of you insisting it was Hillary the politician and 'centrist'(maybe in a worldwide context) policies that lost the election is clinton talking in a 'worldwide context' here, do you think?   of the three states i mentioned, only nc has new restrictions in place. which is why i said that "of those, nc is the only state to have new voter suppression measures in place." at least try to read
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even vox dot com doesn't think that's true http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/11/13597452/voter-suppression-clinton-trump-2016
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the paradigm shift posted:If the excuse is we can't run career politicians for the premiere political post then that's nonsense and giving up to the know nothings. i'm not suggesting you don't know her platform, i'm asking you to name a policy or policies that she campaigned on. you know, the ads for the democrat equivalent of 'build the wall' or 'kill all muslims' that people who only take notice of electoral politics for a few weeks every four years might actually see.
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2017 exmarx posted:is clinton talking in a 'worldwide context' here, do you think? Georgia has had restrictions in place since 2012, hth icantfindaname posted:even vox dot com doesn't think that's true I trust the SPLC more than voxxboiis.
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Volkerball posted:If your country is crippled by regulatory capture, nepotism, and corruption, then no, you really can't. This country exists where? Pretty sure it ain't planet earth
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the paradigm shift posted:I disagree because the point of their argument is that people soundly rejected Hillary and Republicans just voted for the R. This deliberately ignores that a solid portion of those 2 million extra votes were his white supremacist base who generally don't vote. i don't think the people who weren't inspired by Hillary and didn't vote for her were thinking about it through a strict ideological lens, but they were absolutely a large enough cohort to lose the election for her
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the paradigm shift posted:This country exists where? Pretty sure it ain't planet earth so, in other words, America Is Already Great? stone cold posted:trust the SPLC more than voxxboiis. fair enough, even i can't defend vox with a straight face
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2017 exmarx posted:i'm not suggesting you don't know her platform, i'm asking you to name a policy or policies that she campaigned on. you know, the ads for the democrat equivalent of 'build the wall' or 'kill all muslims' that people who only take notice of electoral politics for a few weeks every four years might actually see. K. Still not sticking the point that she ran as a Republican. And I'm suffering delusion
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Hillary was a non-charismatic candidate that ran more TV ads in Southern California than the rust belt while ignoring local candidates throwing up red flags about how stupid the latter was
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the paradigm shift posted:This country exists where? Pretty sure it ain't planet earth  it's you everything is finers who lost us the election.
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stone cold posted:Georgia has had restrictions in place since 2012, hth are these the ones that were struck down in september?
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icantfindaname posted:so, in other words, America Is Already Great? They don't call it the Great Satan for nothing.
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someone gave me a copy of The World Is Flat for christmas. i'm taking it as a ghost of christmas future style warning of what will happen if i don't reform my ways
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the paradigm shift posted:K. Still not sticking the point that she ran as a Republican. And I'm suffering delusion can you name one or not? it seems like a pretty easy task, to me. neither i, nor the thing i originally quoted, called her a republican so i'm not sure why you keep throwing that out as a distraction.
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2017 exmarx posted:are these the ones that were struck down in september? sure but a. Georgia still blew off like a couple hundred thousand people who registered and b. Brian Kemp cares not for the law
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Hillary Clinton was a bad canidate because she surrounded herself with idiots and had awful message control. It wasn't that being a dumpy nerd killed her chances
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it's unbelievable that they ran somebody who voted for the invasion of iraq
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2017 exmarx posted:it's unbelievable that they ran somebody who voted for the invasion of iraq sorry your patron saint bernard lost the primaries by a lot, hth
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stone cold posted:sorry your patron saint bernard lost the primaries by a lot, hth you're pretty dumb
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Anyone know anything about #BlakMuslimFamily? Saw a couple tweets about it.
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stone cold posted:sorry your patron saint bernard lost the primaries by a lot, hth Sorry your primaries are designed to give you unelectable cretins over someone who would've won handily.
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2017 exmarx posted:this equates to a 7.7% drop in black turnout in georgia, 5.3% in louisiana, ~5% in north carolina. of those, nc is the only state to have new voter suppression measures in place. to add to this the hastily implemented voter suppression tactics in nc were a lot less extreme than the ones in place for the 2014 midterm (i.e. voter id) yet that year the lackluster center right dem senate candidate only lost by ~1.5% and that's with a state dem party in complete disarray and using a media-heavy campaign similar to clinton's clinton was a singularly bad candidate both personally and in terms of her campaign organization. she lost counties which haven't elected a republican since the 1880s
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The Muppets On PCP posted:she lost counties which haven't elected a republican since the 1880s this seems like a really weird thing to point out.
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Hollismason posted:Carrie quiet you. this thread hasn't been about star wars in a while and it's going to stay that way.
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Volkerball posted:quiet you. this thread hasn't been about star wars in a while and it's going to stay that way. Star Wars is good op
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stone cold posted:sorry your patron saint bernard lost the primaries by a lot, hth Bernie ran a pretty bad campaign in the primaries, on the whole, but still did much better than anyone expected. I think the lesson progressives need to learn is, start staffing up and getting organized earlier, make sure your message isn't too hyper-focused on economics, and you'll do better.
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Volkerball posted:this seems like a really weird thing to point out. Why
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Hollismason posted:Carrie I want this year to die. It's been a mass murderer and needs to get the electric chair.
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the prequels tell the story of the election pretty well tbh
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Because the Democrats and Republicans switched ideological platforms in the 60's, so if a county has stuck with one party since long before that, then it's a weird outlier. And there's over 3,000 counties in the US, so you're going to find weird statistical aberrations every election at a county level.
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Hollismason posted:Star Wars is good op Do not make this thread into a house of lies, Hollismason.
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Randler posted:Do not make this thread into a house of lies, Hollismason. German-speaker doesn't like thing that is good, fun. News at 11.
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Majorian posted:I think the lesson progressives need to learn is, start staffing up and getting organized earlier, make sure your message isn't too hyper-focused on economics, and you'll do better. lol
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ozmunkeh posted:lol Big part of why Sanders lost, OP.
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Majorian posted:Big part of why Sanders lost, OP.
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