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Minus1Minus1 posted:So like any sensible person, I've been watching Mark Brown's Developer's Toolkit series, and it's making me crazy for Mario games. I own no Nintendo consoles, and the last Mario game I played was Galaxy 1. I just remember having a big, uncontrollable smile on my face as I was playing it. What's happened since then? It's been like...what, 8-10 years? From what I can tell, some of the releases in the last few years haven't been so hot. Is that right? I think every "main" Mario title has been great since then. I'm not including paper mario or the mario parties (though some of them are amazing too), I'm just talking about Galaxy 2, NSMB Wii and NSMB Wii U, 3d Land on the 3DS and 3dWorld on the Wii U. However, if you're a "hardcore gamer" your mileage may vary. All 3D marios (including the Galaxy ones) feel significantly less difficult than their 2D counterparts, maybe to compensate for the fact that controlling Mario in a 3D environment is inevitably not as precise. The endgame of Galaxy 2, 3D World and 3D Land can still get pretty brutal, but you can't compare it to the NSMB's titles hardest stars imo. If you just play them for fun and you don't feel the need to grab all the stars to unlock the harder levels then I'd say the 3D titles are the most revolutionary in gameplay. It's close though. I'm currently playing Rayman Legends and while it deserves all the praise it got it's just not as good. I don't know how Nintendo does it but the Mario titles always feel super good to play regardless of how punishing they are. EDIT: Galaxy 2 is widely considered one of the best videogames ever released. It's also among the longest Mario titles to complete, with a perfect difficulty curve too. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Minus1Minus1 posted:So like any sensible person, I've been watching Mark Brown's Developer's Toolkit series, and it's making me crazy for Mario games. I own no Nintendo consoles, and the last Mario game I played was Galaxy 1. I just remember having a big, uncontrollable smile on my face as I was playing it. What's happened since then? It's been like...what, 8-10 years? From what I can tell, some of the releases in the last few years haven't been so hot. Is that right? Galaxy 2 was good but it didn't have a hub world which knocked it down a few pegs for me. There haven't been any 64/Sunshine/Galaxy-style games since then; 3D World and 3D Land had the 3D movement but they were both very linear.and typically had fixed cameras. The 2D ones have all been well made with high production values, as you'd expect, but with very little variation. You can play any of them and have a good experience but after the second or third in a row I started to feel burnt out. Hopefully the Switch version will bring back some exploration gameplay? There's also Super Mario Maker, game of the year all years. Just don't go anywhere near the garbage 3DS version.
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NRVNQSR posted:The 2D ones have all been well made with high production values, as you'd expect, but with very little variation. You can play any of them and have a good experience but after the second or third in a row I started to feel burnt out. Yeah the NSMB titles are there if you need a challenge but they are most definitely not casual friendly and will burn you out if you play them one after the other. They feel very classic. Still the best 2D platformers currently on the market aside from Maker.
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Kawabata posted:Yeah the NSMB titles are there if you need a challenge but they are most definitely not casual friendly and will burn you out if you play them one after the other. They feel very classic. I guarantee you that all Super Mario games, New or otherwise, are casual friendly
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I'm hearing buy a WiiU for Galaxy 2, NSMB Wii and WiiU, 3D World, and Mario Maker. Did I hear that right, thread?
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Dec 27, 2016 16:33
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buy it for those as well as the many other great games that are on wii u
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Minus1Minus1 posted:I'm hearing buy a WiiU for Galaxy 2, NSMB Wii and WiiU, 3D World, and Mario Maker. Did I hear that right, thread? I'll say this: I got probated for 6 hours about 2 weeks ago for shitposting that the Wii U was a crappy dead system. In an unexpected turn of events, I received it for Christmas. I can now say the Wii U has the best single player/local multiplayer games of this generation by a mile. I'm just astonished. It's also Wii backwards compatible (the Switch won't be) so if you missed the best Wii games you're set. Nintendo games never age. Buy a Wii U, it's a very smart thing to do. Guy Goodbody posted:I guarantee you that all Super Mario games, New or otherwise, are casual friendly Today's casuals are mostly AC/Cod/Uncharted players. I have seen first hand what happens when they approach a moderately difficult 2D Mario level and it's not pretty. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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I've been wanting a WiiU for TP and WW HD but maybe those will make it to the switch. in the mean time I still have Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Majora's Mask, and the two DS Lite Zeldas.
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Kawabata posted:Today's casuals are mostly AC/Cod/Uncharted players. I have seen first hand what happens when they approach a moderately difficult 2D Mario level and it's not pretty. i love nsmb but there is no way i would describe any of them as "moderately difficult"
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Cojawfee posted:I've been wanting a WiiU for TP and WW HD but maybe those will make it to the switch. in the mean time I still have Skyward Sword, Minish Cap, Majora's Mask, and the two DS Lite Zeldas. I doubt it, at least anytime in the first year or two after BotW's out the door. That game's gonna get a wide berth just to keep the focus on it as the big Switch-moving title.
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https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00NQT48L4/ Going on lightning deal at 8PM tonight, you could probably carry your Switch in it.
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Stux posted:i love nsmb but there is no way i would describe any of them as "moderately difficult" I think the latest levels and hardest stars require a lot of patience. Finishing a Mario has never been difficult (except, to some degree, Super Mario Bros 3 / Lost levels?) but collecting everything usually is. At least in my case, after not playing Mario games for 7 years or so I found the last NSMB Wii stars pretty harsh. As hard as, say, trying to beat the worse Bloodborne bosses in my first solo run: sure you can do it by getting better at the game but a casual player probably won't like investing any time into it. Which is ok, to each his own I guess. Kawabata fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Dec 27, 2016 |
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Kawabata posted:Today's casuals are mostly AC/Cod/Uncharted players. Hello, have you heard of this thing called a smart phone?
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Wheany posted:Hello, have you heard of this thing called a smart phone? yes but i didnt want to go into that
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Kawabata posted:I'll say this: I got probated for 6 hours about 2 weeks ago for shitposting that the Wii U was a crappy dead system. In an unexpected turn of events, I received it for Christmas. I can now say the Wii U has the best single player/local multiplayer games of this generation by a mile. I'm just astonished. It's also Wii backwards compatible (the Switch won't be) so if you missed the best Wii games you're set. Nintendo games never age. This makes me smile. I am glad you love your WiiU.
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Minus1Minus1 posted:I'm hearing buy a WiiU for Galaxy 2, NSMB Wii and WiiU, 3D World, and Mario Maker. Did I hear that right, thread? Those are all insanely good games, all this and much more on your Nintendo Wii U Don't forget New Super Luigi U!
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Looper posted:Those are all insanely good games, all this and much more on your Nintendo Wii U Note that Luigi U is DLC for NSMB U.
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Sam Faust posted:Note that Luigi U is DLC for NSMB U. it's also considerably harder iirc
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Kawabata posted:yes but i didnt want to go into that Casual game series: Uncharted, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed Hardcore game series: New Super Mario Bros
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Kawabata posted:I'll say this: I got probated for 6 hours about 2 weeks ago for shitposting that the Wii U was a crappy dead system. In an unexpected turn of events, I received it for Christmas. I can now say the Wii U has the best single player/local multiplayer games of this generation by a mile. I'm just astonished. It's also Wii backwards compatible (the Switch won't be) so if you missed the best Wii games you're set. Nintendo games never age. Miracle on 44th Subforum
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FPzero posted:Miracle on 44th Subforum no this is just nintendo magic the magic of love
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Minus1Minus1 posted:I'm hearing buy a WiiU for Galaxy 2, NSMB Wii and WiiU, 3D World, and Mario Maker. Did I hear that right, thread? You heard right. Galaxy 2 and 3D World are my two personal favorite 3D Mario games. You don't really need both NSMBWii and NSMBU though, especially if you plan on playing them back-to-back. While Galaxy 2 and 3D World are different beasts, NSMBWii and NSMBU are very similar but NSMBU is much better in pretty much every way. If possible, try to get a copy bundled with New Super Luigi U which was originally released as DLC, and consists of a bunch of extra short and extra difficult levels with Luigi physics.
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Wheany posted:Casual game series: nah obviously the real  "hardcore gamers" only play From Software games and/or Dota 2 in the most toxic possible way and complain about everything being too easythey also look like deak
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To paraphrase Mr. Marilyn Manson: Everybody's someone else's casual, I know you are so am I
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Brother got a nes classic for Christmas and it's awesome. I'm happier with my Wii U and all of the great games, but what I really want now is a SNES classic and what I REALLY want is an N64 classic, basically for Jet Force Gemini. Why can't that game be available on the Wii U?
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LionArcher posted:Brother got a nes classic for Christmas and it's awesome. I'm happier with my Wii U and all of the great games, but what I really want now is a SNES classic and what I REALLY want is an N64 classic, basically for Jet Force Gemini. Why can't that game be available on the Wii U? Probably due to IP rights
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Probably cause it's in the Rare Replay bundle, with almost sane controls too.
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The Galaxy games are prevented from being truly classic by being saddled with the awful waggle controls. If there was a way to play the whole game without waggle, it would be infinitely better. But invariably on those levels where you have to do a waggle jump to make the platforms flip back and forth, I'll get halfway through the level, and the waggle won't work on one of the jumps, and I'll want to throw my controller through a wall. It's like trying to play through a classic SMB game where the B Button is jump, but it only works 80% of the time.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Linkle is good. Nice!
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OldSenileGuy posted:The Galaxy games are prevented from being truly classic by being saddled with the awful waggle controls. If there was a way to play the whole game without waggle, it would be infinitely better. Other than Fluzzard and that level where you're on a ball and you have to get all the 100 purple coins super quickly I think Galaxy 2 is far from the worst wiimote offender. You would still love to use a regular joypad though. All the time.
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Minus1Minus1 posted:So like any sensible person, I've been watching Mark Brown's Developer's Toolkit series, and it's making me crazy for Mario games. I own no Nintendo consoles, and the last Mario game I played was Galaxy 1. I just remember having a big, uncontrollable smile on my face as I was playing it. What's happened since then? It's been like...what, 8-10 years? From what I can tell, some of the releases in the last few years haven't been so hot. Is that right? Galaxy 2 and 3d World are great, depending on personal preferences I'd buy an argument for either of them as the best overall Mario game. New Super Mario U is an excellent 2d platformer if you can look past the somewhat tired art design. 3d Land is OK but I'm not really crazy about it.
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Nay. The Wii U hate thread was slain in O'14 by Nintendo's E3 presentation. He says about the system that Nintendo had to kill in the middle of a generation.
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Kawabata posted:nah obviously the real Please don't compare fans of From with fans of Dota
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OldSenileGuy posted:The Galaxy games are prevented from being truly classic by being saddled with the awful waggle controls. If there was a way to play the whole game without waggle, it would be infinitely better. Idk man, the Galaxy games have the most relaxed and intuitive waggle of pretty much any wii game. I never had any problems with it, contrast DKCR
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Fulchrum posted:He says about the system that Nintendo had to kill in the middle of a generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDOuFnZnPMs
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OldSenileGuy posted:The Galaxy games are prevented from being truly classic by being saddled with the awful waggle controls. If there was a way to play the whole game without waggle, it would be infinitely better. The waggle is like the most mild use of motion controls and makes it seamless to do just because of the nunchuk+ wii mote scheme..it's as simple as shaking the wii mote, idk how you could find it infuriating when it's borderline primitive. The Yoshi levels are a hell of a lot worse than that, just get your timing right cuz you're doing it wrong. Your b only works 80% of the time because you're mistiming your inputs bef fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Its only 2 weeks or so till the Switch Direct. I can't wait.
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Fulchrum posted:He says about the system that Nintendo had to kill in the middle of a generation. These things are unrelated?
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Lmao someone just said git gud about waggling
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OldSenileGuy posted:The Galaxy games are prevented from being truly classic by being saddled with the awful waggle controls. If there was a way to play the whole game without waggle, it would be infinitely better. Lol if you're mad about waggle in 2016. It owned in galaxy and Mario strikers. Felt good and satisfying as hell to just slam that controller back and forth.
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