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Fabricated posted:It's less that they sucked and more that they were not well...characterized. This, for me, was what killed the film. I didn't give two shits what happened to any of the characters. Felicity Jones has to be the worst lead cast playing the worst lead character in any of the Star Wars films. Mark Hamill wasn't amazing in the originals but at least his character was well written.
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I haven't seen Star Wars: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.
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Quantum of Phallus posted:This, for me, was what killed the film. I didn't give two shits what happened to any of the characters. Come on dude\dudette... just come on... you are missing the elephant in the room here that is Hayden Christensen (and\or Jake Lloyd). Also Mark Hammil is perfectly fine Felicity Jones might have been very bland, but at least she wasn't annoying or loathsome. I'm not gonna lie though, throughout the whole movie I kept getting distracted by her teeth. I bet she could cut down trees and build a dam with those chompers. However on the plus side, whenever she ran her boobs jiggled a lot and that was nice
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Fabricated posted:We don't really know enough about their morals in general. I thought it was the prospect of a planet killing weapon and that Galen told him getting the plans would help "redeem him" but the first part is just a guess.
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how can u kill that which is alreay dead??
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Fabricated posted:We don't really know enough about their morals in general. Cassian's entire character arc was about his struggle with morality. He kills people on orders without questioning them. He shoots assets in the back instead of trying to offer some hope of escape. He kills without considering why or the consequences beyond mission accomplished. He is not a good person and he personifies the dark side of the Rebellion. Bodhi wanted to defect because he felt guilty for helping to construct the Death Star which gave Galan an opening to turn him so he could deliver his message. He redeems himself when he finds his bravery and is at peace. His cowardliness/instability is born from him not knowing what was going to happen and his desperate search for protection with the only leverage he had. The mental pressures from escaping from something as powerful as the Empire would be immense and I am not surprised some people would breakdown. Jyn only cared for herself and has trust issues after being abandoned and seeing her mother killed by who she saw was a family friend. Going after Kernnic was personal hence why Cassian had to pull her away at the end. Part of her arc was finding out the sins of her family and deciding to redeem herself and her family. She also finds a cause worth fighting for that is greater than herself that she believes in the face of overwhelming odds instead of running away like she has done all her life. Churrit and Baze was about their contrasting view point on the Force. Baze lost hope when the temple was destroyed while Churrit maintained his faith and was strengthened by it. They share common bonds of disliking the imperials, their formerly shared faith and just from the inertia of their friendship over the many years they spent together. Their arc was to have them reconcile their differences in faith. K2SO was there to wise crack and question if they *might* be living beings worthy of rights and respect shown by his act of self sacrifice. Other droids in the SW are treated like garbage, pets, appliances, slaves. He is treated by Cassian as an equal and implicitly trusts him. his arc was to reward Cassian for his treatment.
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oohhboy posted:Cassian's entire character arc was about his struggle with morality. He kills people on orders without questioning them. He shoots assets in the back instead of trying to offer some hope of escape. He kills without considering why or the consequences beyond mission accomplished. He is not a good person and he personifies the dark side of the Rebellion. have u tried losing weight??
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No it's Legend of the Galactic Heroes
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I am quite healthy thank you well inside the normal weight range and I exercise frequently. Thank you for your concern all the same.
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I'm a bit underweight and enjoyed Rogue One, what about you guys?
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Guy Goodbody posted:No it's Legend of the Galactic Heroes I'd pay money to see the Rosenritters take over the Death Star 
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FrensaGeran posted:I'm a bit underweight and enjoyed Rogue One, what about you guys? I need to lose some weight and also put on some holiday weight and I thought it was just OK
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oohhboy posted:Massive problem with your statement, they gave TFA a free ride for no more reason than it was Star Wars yet didn't acknowledge that R1 had to have Star Wars things in it because it was a film based on Star Wars. Appeals to hypocrisy are always weak and shows unwillingness to engage with the arguments presented. Besides, I'll go easy on RLM wrt TFA since their review went up seemingly ten minutes after they actually saw the movie and 90% of the actual gushing came from Mike specifically. Jay and especially Rich were much more tempered. Since then they've been more critical of the movie. The idea that RLM are giving R1 poo poo for simply having star wars things in it is stupid, the "AT-ST!" thing was obviously part of an extended joke describing all the recognizable tropes they saw. More egregious for me was Vader, Tarkin and Leia. That stuff really did feel like super expensive fanfilm stuff. Vader and Leia could have, and probably should, have been cut from the film entirely and Vader felt like he was going through the expected motions (out of armor peek, battering around underlings, force choking dudes, killing 20 rebels without breaking a sweat) rather than really doing anything important. I accept that Tarkin should have been in the film to some degree but I think what ended up happening was that the filmmakers lost the run of themselves with regards to what the technology could do for the character and beefed up his scenes to the detriment of director Krennic, who's meant to be the main threat but gets undermined by both Vader and Tarkin to the point that he feels like a bit of a nobody. Its a fun enough movie but I don't think I'll remember it very well this time next year.
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I did go into why RLM hosed up when I said their greatest mistake was to watch it while still in the after glow period. Go look it up if you want. They hosed up and pointing to their hypocrisy is to reveal it. It is not "weak", it isn't me not engaging with the argument. It is what it is and shouldn't be used an excuse. They didn't looking into the characters and how paper thin the whole thing was, they ignored just how much TFA leans(Completely) on nostalgia over anything of substance. They. hosed. Up. I have to mostly disagree with you on the use of Tarkin, Leia and Vadar. Vadar's first scene was completely fan wank and should have been cut, no contest. However he needed to show up so he could 1. pursue the plans as he did in ANH 2. Be the villain riding to the rescue of the Empire 3. Rehabilitate him from the awfulness of the prequels. Leia was there for 5 seconds and served to immediately link the end of the movie right into the first scene in ANH, again something plot critical. You might assume that it was a Tanative 4 but people who don't would think it was a plot hole. This for some reason has a disproportionate amount of bitching for so little time on film. The execution on a technical level was meh. Tarkin is a plot critical character. He is synonymous with the Death Star and his use of it. He is the commander, a powerful character who can usurp control of the most powerful weapon created with a few words. Again their execution on a technical level was sub-par, however this should not diminish his importance, only the impact he had on the audience. Krennic was meant to be undermined and him losing control of the DS is plot critical. He is a vicious careerist immoral tool who takes credit for the work of others. He is desperate for power and recognition for all the things good and bad he has done. Shouting "AT-ST" would have been a joke if they didn't plough into the film for using period accurate equipment. Their biggest error with the R1 review was that they wanted an entirely different movie and repeatedly penalized it against something that doesn't exist.
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You hate pretty much everything though, so I'm beginning to tune you out. I ain't reading that.
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Two things. First, why did the rebel guy not shoot Jyn's dad when he had the chance? He straight up murdered someone earlier in the film. Why did he have a change in heart? Did I miss something? Second, I want to rewatch the scene where Vader ruins some Rebels. Forget the rest of the film, I want to watch that again and again.
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oohhboy posted:period accurate equipment. Having typed these words, with regard to a movie about space wizards and poo poo, I strongly urge you to reconsider some of the choices you've made in your life.
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Mutant Headcrab posted:Two things. First, why did the rebel guy not shoot Jyn's dad when he had the chance? He straight up murdered someone earlier in the film. Why did he have a change in heart? Did I miss something? Well he knows it's her dad, and that he's lying to her when he says he's going to shoot the man most dangerous to the rebellion, his arc is just starting to turn around and feel bad about doing morally dark grey things, he sees the guy get slapped by the actual bad guy, and all his men die, he thinks hmmmmmmmm. Maybe things aren't what they seem? And then the opportunity passed because of the rebel assault force. So he basically hesitated just a second, and then claimed this was a moral thing he did instead of being confused and loving up his illicit side job.
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Just watched the film, and uh, It's pretty hosed up to CGI Frankenstein a dude back to life when his last dying wish was to just loving die already. Peter Cushing was distraught in way only a English stiffer up lip man could be after his wife passed on. Reminds me of when RLM made a joke about CGI Robert Downy JR. replacing himself after he retired from Iron-man, so he could sell shlock forever.
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oohhboy posted:Cassian's entire character arc was about his struggle with morality. He kills people on orders without questioning them. He shoots assets in the back instead of trying to offer some hope of escape. He kills without considering why or the consequences beyond mission accomplished. He is not a good person and he personifies the dark side of the Rebellion.
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Fabricated posted:You're squeezing a lot of blood from a stone there. I didn't really get 80% of that from the movie. Jyn and Cassian are a bit clearer but that's about it really. kinda seems like he needs to shed a few pounds....??
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Fabricated posted:You're squeezing a lot of blood from a stone there. I didn't really get 80% of that from the movie. Jyn and Cassian are a bit clearer but that's about it really. SMG would be squeezing blood from a stone telling you how socialist/right wing/Satanist from whole cloth.. I wouldn't dare to say more about the characters than what I have already written. It's enough for the movie and anymore would diving into "Reading in-between the lines". All the elements I talk about are in the movie. K2SO is stretching a little as a droid has never been seen as an equal on screen in SW.
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Isn't there a star wars thread somewhere?
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I loving love Star Wars
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We Know Catheters posted:Isn't there a star wars thread somewhere? No way I am going in there.
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Fojar38 posted:I loving love Star Wars what about ti do u love
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Orkin Mang posted:what about ti do u love i like the lasers and the explosions and the cool costumes
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We Know Catheters posted:Isn't there a star wars thread somewhere? you're in it 
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to heck with all these star wars i say
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Zzulu posted:to heck with all these star wars i say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4GrHGnFtg4
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