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Some records are the domain of weirdos, but not so much the indie rock bought online new at full price nonsense that takes up most of this thread.
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A human heart posted:Some records are the domain of weirdos, but not so much the indie rock bought online new at full price nonsense that takes up most of this thread. I suppose but in my travels over the years the people I've met who are serious record guys are all a pretty specific kind of person. The crowd is much more diverse these days but the real die hards remain the same group of oddballs. I'm not excluding myself from this.
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Dec 28, 2016 10:40
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bowmore posted:it's pretty daunting for a person new to playing music through anything other than a phone to have to buy a record player, an amp and speakers I think it's just computer nerds who get tripped up on this honestly. People who are into music tend to understand how stereos work.
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Dec 28, 2016 12:58
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I mainly listen to CDs. 
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Dec 28, 2016 13:14
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Wheat Loaf posted:I mainly listen to CDs. Me too. They sound better than records.
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Dec 28, 2016 14:00
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I typically tell people that unless you're going used, $100 for a new turntable is around the line between "cheap and good" and "too cheap to be any good." My table was like $120, and over the years, it's given me great quality and manages to sound really good. I know one of my friends was like "Well, I really want to spend $60," and I was like "You can spend $60 and have something that will play your records but you'll probably have to replace sooner, or you can spend $120 now and still have something that plays your records but will likely last longer." It's one of those things. People see the really expensive turntables and so they kind of know that it's absurd. I haven't seen any real evidence that Crosley's chew up records. Someone even posted a YouTube video where they tried to see if there was a noticeable difference. The thing I've found was just the overall build quality. The undersized platters tend to make records sound like they're warping on the edges, the sound quality isn't that great, and the one I tried had issues with speed. Plus, I hate the faux-vintage look.
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Dec 28, 2016 16:07
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Cemetry Gator posted:I typically tell people that unless you're going used, $100 for a new turntable is around the line between "cheap and good" and "too cheap to be any good." My table was like $120, and over the years, it's given me great quality and manages to sound really good. I know one of my friends was like "Well, I really want to spend $60," and I was like "You can spend $60 and have something that will play your records but you'll probably have to replace sooner, or you can spend $120 now and still have something that plays your records but will likely last longer." It's one of those things. People see the really expensive turntables and so they kind of know that it's absurd. My sister got a record player where the heads hell, cartridge and needle were one piece. She asked me to take a look at it because the sound was off and I saw the needle was gone and just a small bit of plastic was making contact with the record. It was one of those record+speaker deals.
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Dec 28, 2016 16:12
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bowmore posted:it's pretty daunting for a person new to playing music through anything other than a phone to have to buy a record player, an amp and speakers Are we really that far removed from everyone having a stereo of some sort of their own? I mean I'm the same as anyone and do a majority of my music listening via the phone or computer but how young do you have to be to have zero concept of a standalone music machine of some kind?
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Dec 28, 2016 16:17
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I was going to try and make a car analogy but I don't think kids drive that much these days either. I guess a bike analogy might work? The cheap record players are the equivalent of buying a Huffy from Wal Mart.
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Dec 28, 2016 16:28
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Barry posted:Are we really that far removed from everyone having a stereo of some sort of their own? I mean I'm the same as anyone and do a majority of my music listening via the phone or computer but how young do you have to be to have zero concept of a standalone music machine of some kind? I moved a year ago and haven't hooked up my receiver/home stereo because I don't have the room for it in my new place. I have a Pro-Ject Debut Carbon hooked up to an amp which goes into my Sonos system and then plays throughout the house please don't hurt me
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Dec 28, 2016 16:54
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Kaboobi posted:I moved a year ago and haven't hooked up my receiver/home stereo because I don't have the room for it in my new place. Laziness is totally fine, I'm just surprised that baseline knowledge of how to play music might not be baseline knowledge.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:03
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Barry posted:Are we really that far removed from everyone having a stereo of some sort of their own? I mean I'm the same as anyone and do a majority of my music listening via the phone or computer but how young do you have to be to have zero concept of a standalone music machine of some kind? yes, we are. most people do not have the necessary stereo equipment to just buy a record player alone. this really isnt that surprising. even if they do have an existing setup its most likely a home theater system without a phono and will need a preamp anyway. i feel safe saying a vast majority of people looking to start with records will need a turntable, receiver/preamp, and a pair of bookshelf speakers.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:06
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we've gone from stereo systems to all-in-one boomboxes to throwing away anything that doesnt have an aux for an ipod to weird docks you put your ipod in to bluetooth speakers. of course there are people who don't have any concept of a multi-component stereo system or why you would need one.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:10
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stay depressed posted:we've gone from stereo systems to all-in-one boomboxes to throwing away anything that doesnt have an aux for an ipod to weird docks you put your ipod in to bluetooth speakers. of course there are people who don't have any concept of a multi-component stereo system or why you would need one. I think music nerds still understand the concept of amplification though since there's some crossover with musicians. Maybe im just loving old.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:17
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I started out with a crappy mini platter record player with a built in speaker to a generic full sized platter one with the same guts those entry level Audio Technicas have. (3 buttons on the right and one on the left for speed). Lots of companies seem to use those, and I would safely recommend those as a really good first turntable. I had almost no problems with the ones I got. (Apart from some records not tracking properly because you couldn't adjust the tonearm). But now I got a Stanton T.62 from a friend for free (Along with a Cambridge Audio 540p for free that another friend didn't really like. I got really good friends!) and boy howdy do I like being able to adjust the tracking and pitch adjustment. Especially for the 7" Single of Baker Street that UA sped up ever so slightly.  Speaking of Proper component HiFi equipment as a baby I broke the record player on ours. 
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Dec 28, 2016 17:18
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I totally get not having the equipment but being completely bamboozled by it is weird. I can see the appeal of Crosbys (Crosley?) because you'd need to buy a ton of poo poo otherwise but I would still figure that people generally know how it works.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:18
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The barrier to entry for a totally reasonable setup is like an LP60 and a pair of powered monitors. You don't even need to buy any extra cables.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:24
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I dont know why anyone would have a stand alone record player with powered monitors and not a stereo system and a place to store records. Records are a pain in the rear end. Physical media in general is a pain in the rear end.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:27
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You can get a cool looking tube amp and 4" bookshelf speakers for under $200 on monoprice.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:30
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Barry posted:I totally get not having the equipment but being completely bamboozled by it is weird. I can see the appeal of Crosbys (Crosley?) because you'd need to buy a ton of poo poo otherwise but I would still figure that people generally know how it works. The concept of a pre-amp would be lost on most people. I didn't even understand the purpose of one for a long time because I always had receivers with phono inputs. People generally understand RCA plugs. They are a similar to plugging in an 1/8" aux plug, which everyone knows how to do. The problem comes when people see a turntable with RCA plugs, and they see their soundbar with RCA inputs, but they don't realize you need to buy a small box that sits in-between them for it to work.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:32
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Yeah, pre-amps are a bit weird. But a lot of turntables have built in pre-amps. Of course if you didn't know it was there and the switch was in the wrong position you might think records sound really bad.
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Dec 28, 2016 17:39
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It really doesn't help when people decided to call RCA cables 'phono', especially when you're trying to work out it something really does have a phono stage to it without physically seeing it.
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Dec 28, 2016 18:12
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EL BROMANCE posted:It really doesn't help when people decided to call RCA cables 'phono', especially when you're trying to work out it something really does have a phono stage to it without physically seeing it. What are you talking about?
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Dec 28, 2016 18:27
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Have you never heard people call RCA cables 'phono leads' or Aux sockets as 'phono sockets'? Maybe it was a European thing, but I've never heard any non audio nerd actually call them by the right name and it causes a ton of confusion.
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Dec 28, 2016 18:53
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Boinks posted:You can get a cool looking tube amp and 4" bookshelf speakers for under $200 on monoprice. Getting someone to spend $200 (or under) online on top of whatever they'll spend on a turntable just isn't going to happen when they can go to a store and buy something they can just play for $60-$80 isn't going to happen for someone with a beginning interest in records.
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Dec 28, 2016 19:05
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EL BROMANCE posted:Have you never heard people call RCA cables 'phono leads' or Aux sockets as 'phono sockets'? Maybe it was a European thing, but I've never heard any non audio nerd actually call them by the right name and it causes a ton of confusion. Must be a Euro thing, I've never heard them referred to as that. Most people understand when you just say the cable with the red and white connectors.
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Dec 28, 2016 19:20
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EL BROMANCE posted:Have you never heard people call RCA cables 'phono leads' or Aux sockets as 'phono sockets'? Maybe it was a European thing, but I've never heard any non audio nerd actually call them by the right name and it causes a ton of confusion. no
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Dec 28, 2016 19:32
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I've seen plenty of equipment that has rca connections marked phono but I've never heard people actually call the cables phono
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Dec 28, 2016 19:41
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Those are phono-level inputs with RCA connections.
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Dec 28, 2016 23:31
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Please keep this argument over the proper nomenclature for audio cables civil.
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Dec 28, 2016 23:33
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This is one of the bigger electronics stores in the UK http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/twin-phono-male-to-phono-female-qn25c RCA is mentioned in the description but not the title. And people will describe AUX inputs as phono there so often. Not a headache for most people but can be a pain.
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Dec 28, 2016 23:52
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Barry posted:Are we really that far removed from everyone having a stereo of some sort of their own? I mean I'm the same as anyone and do a majority of my music listening via the phone or computer but how young do you have to be to have zero concept of a standalone music machine of some kind? I would say anyone who is in high school or the early years of college would fall into the category. Keep in mind that for people under a certain age records are a thing they want because of the novelty of such a thing. stay depressed posted:we've gone from stereo systems to all-in-one boomboxes to throwing away anything that doesnt have an aux for an ipod to weird docks you put your ipod in to bluetooth speakers. of course there are people who don't have any concept of a multi-component stereo system or why you would need one. And this is why.
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Dec 29, 2016 00:36
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I'm looking forward to the next death of vinyl so I can pick up more cheap goodies. Hopefully it becomes extremely uncool.
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Dec 29, 2016 01:02
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Snowy posted:I'm looking forward to the next death of vinyl so I can pick up more cheap goodies. Hopefully it becomes extremely uncool. Once people have to move them more than a couple times? Unfortunately I don't think anyone has instilled proper record handling to most of these kids. Oh well. They are probably just using the download code and hanging the cover on the wall. My sister used to take mine and just put them on her shelf to look cool.
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Dec 29, 2016 02:16
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I warned a friend who was helping me move that the box of vinyl he was about to lift was heavy, and he totally waved it off. I've never seen a look of regret so fast in someone's face.
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Dec 29, 2016 02:26
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EL BROMANCE posted:This is one of the bigger electronics stores in the UK You also call trucks lorrys and that's a total nonsense word
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Dec 29, 2016 03:29
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EL BROMANCE posted:I warned a friend who was helping me move that the box of vinyl he was about to lift was heavy, and he totally waved it off. I've never seen a look of regret so fast in someone's face. my way of moving records was buying a huge stack of those safeway paper bags, double bagging them and them putting about 20-25 (depending on how many LPs in the sleeve) records in there. That was 3 years ago when I moved with 500 records.. I'm at 800 now, but I'm sure the same procedure would work. a lot less strenuous than a box full of them.
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Dec 29, 2016 04:56
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BigFactory posted:You also call trucks lorrys and that's a total nonsense word And juggernauts. Which makes you pagan.
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Dec 29, 2016 05:31
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sporklift posted:They are probably just using the download code and hanging the cover on the wall.
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Dec 29, 2016 05:38
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I just bought a dozen frames. I'm gonna sell them at the local gas station. I've got dozens I've only purchased because of the quaint cover. And bottom line, I can't keep them just because of that.
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