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Rick posted:I had nice seats to the Lakers game tonight and have come to the conclusion that Nick Young is blind and is playing basketball like Daredevil via sonar. Yeah but Daredevil would actually make baskets...
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Who is ready for the Goran Dragic firesale?quote:"[W]e love our young core. And what we have is flexibility. And you need flexibility in this league to be able to move quickly. You can't get paralyzed by the cap or not being able to make room and being able to trade players. I think the No. 1 asset that we have right now is our flexibility moving forward. We have a first-round pick this year. So we're dealing with it. We're dealing with that word that you hate to use – that we have to rebuild. But we will rebuild quick. I'm not going to hang around here for three or four years selling this kind of song to people in Miami. We have great, great fans. They're frustrated. They've been used to something great over the last 10 years and so right now we're taking a hit. I think we can turn this thing around. As I said, if five of those [close] losses were turned into wins we could be in the playoffs right now. But they didn’t.
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I said in the summer, and lots of other people too probably, that he'd be a great fit in Philly. They can take on his salary and give Miami a pick or two with protections for him. He would be an ideal point guard to run the offense for their young team, plus is a good enough shooter and cutter to play off-ball when Simmons runs the point.
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tanglewood1420 posted:I said in the summer, and lots of other people too probably, that he'd be a great fit in Philly. They can take on his salary and give Miami a pick or two with protections for him. He would be an ideal point guard to run the offense for their young team, plus is a good enough shooter and cutter to play off-ball when Simmons runs the point. This is a good take. I agree it would be a pretty ideal trade scenario. Not sure if/when Philly actually wants to pull the trigger on acquiring any guys though.
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Dec 28, 2016 19:04
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Isn't this draft loaded with guards? Even if Dragic was cheapish, why would you want to mess with a golden opportunity. Although you can say they could trade for Dragic and push for the playoffs and use the pick-swap with Sacramento as a slight hedge.
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WhyteRyce posted:Isn't this draft loaded with guards? Even if Dragic was cheapish, why would you want to mess with a golden opportunity.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Even in the world where you don't want to get a proven player so you can gamble on an unknown pick in a not great draft, Dragic previously played very well in a 2 PG lineup. ...that he hated and demanded a trade away from. Although he might be singing a different song now.
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Spring Break My Heart posted:Even in the world where you don't want to get a proven player so you can gamble on an unknown pick in a not great draft, Dragic previously played very well in a 2 PG lineup. Dragic right now makes Philly a better team. Maybe not playoff but they'd leap Brooklyn and an obviously tanking Miami. Does Philly want to become a better team right when they have their own pick in a draft apparently loaded with talent at a position of need? If they want to make a deal for him in the summer, sure why not. And yes, Dragic would love to be in a 2 PG line-up again.
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Long distance relationships are so hard... Rick your DNick dardevil comparison is quite apt. Kind of like those videos Dokmo posted of Mo pete Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Dec 28, 2016 19:28
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pubic works project posted:Yeah but Daredevil would actually make baskets... Nick Young's actually been shooting really well this year. He's been a real solid player.
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WhyteRyce posted:Isn't this draft loaded with guards? Even if Dragic was cheapish, why would you want to mess with a golden opportunity. What's the golden opportunity? That they get someone really good at the PG spot in the draft, and that if they acquire Dragic it makes it less likely (because they'd presumably be giving up a pick or two for him)? If it's a guard heavy draft, then giving up a good pick for Dragic doesn't mean they can't get a good guard further down the board, don't they have like 12 picks in the 1st round next year or something ridiculous?
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The B_36 posted:What's the golden opportunity? That they get someone really good at the PG spot in the draft, and that if they acquire Dragic it makes it less likely (because they'd presumably be giving up a pick or two for him)? If it's a guard heavy draft, then giving up a good pick for Dragic doesn't mean they can't get a good guard further down the board, don't they have like 12 picks in the 1st round next year or something ridiculous? The golden opportunity is that they are the worst team in the league in a year where the draft is shaping up to have a lot of talent at a position of need for them. With Embiid and Simmons, this is a potential James Harden OKC opportunity here. Quantity != quality in the NBA draft. 4 random first round picks aren't worth a single good, high pick. Yes, you can find talent in the draft in the teens, but it's significantly harder and less likely. Dragic is a fine player, but I'd rather take a shot at a top prospect if I'm a team not expected to do anything this season. WhyteRyce fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Lockback posted:...that he hated and demanded a trade away from. Although he might be singing a different song now. To be fair that was after the Suns signed Isaiah Thomas. Two of Dragic, Bledsoe, and Thomas were on the court at all times but Dragic never got to handle the ball.
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I just want to say how weird it is that people in their 50s and 60s would have a 4 year engagement.
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Lockback posted:I just want to say how weird it is that people in their 50s and 60s would have a 4 year engagement. What's the rush? It's not like they're having kids or anything.
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Lockback posted:I just want to say how weird it is that people in their 50s and 60s would have a 4 year engagement. well, these aren't exactly normal 50/60 year olds. These people have the monies
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WhyteRyce posted:Isn't this draft loaded with guards? Even if Dragic was cheapish, why would you want to mess with a golden opportunity. Because Dragic is a really good 3 point shooter and PnR guy and it takes a few years for guards to develop usually
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Dejan Bimble posted:Long distance relationships are so hard... Long distance relationships are like being married to a computer. Basically Phil divorced his mac book pro
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Doltos posted:Because Dragic is a really good 3 point shooter and PnR guy and it takes a few years for guards to develop usually The sixers have time. Probably.
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alansmithee posted:Yup. Those Kings teams were cool but the reason the Suns remain relevant is every single team in the league today incorporates elements of the D'Antoni approach to pick and rolls. Don't get me wrong, that's a good argument for the Adelman Kings, too, because everyone runs a little bit of corner-Sacto, including D'Antoni. I just think it's hard to "overrate" those Suns teams in terms of influence.
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The Suns back then pretty much got position-less basketball done 10 years before its time.
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AggressivelyStupid posted:The sixers have time. Probably. There is zero pressure to win with the fanbase this year. Everyone is happy with the Simmons pick, Embiid's debut, and what will likely be both a top 5 and a top 10 pick in a good draft. They're not going to decrease their % to pick up a potential All Star like Fultz or Jackson just to boost their win total from the mid teens to high teens. The overwhelming topic of conversation, controversy, etc. has been the Noel/Okafor dilemma. The pendulum has swung in Noel's favor in the past several weeks.
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Cool Buff Man posted:Patrick Beverley has always been funny as hell and I'm glad he was the skills champion The key to appreciating Beverley is understanding that he believes Highlander was a non-fiction documentary.
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chunkles posted:The key to appreciating Beverley is understanding that he believes Highlander was a non-fiction documentary. He's right
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Punkin Spunkin posted:That reminds me And then Joey Crawford T'd him up
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What kinda legacies do stockton and malone have? They are who I think of when I think pnr.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m85G7_4o5-U Great punchline from this method man appearance on the bassment "By Now if yall don't know who I am, don't makeme tell just know I kill a mic like that kid from ATL got a plan, nigga, plan to fail see my game ugly, like that nigga, Sam Cassel" Femur posted:What kinda legacies do stockton and malone have? They are who I think of when I think pnr. Aren't they considered the sui generis pnr combo of the pre like 2005 NBAwhen everything became all PNR all the time Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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Doltos posted:Because Dragic is a really good 3 point shooter and PnR guy and it takes a few years for guards to develop usually Rubio shot a better % and hit just as many 3s as Dragic did last year. He's been up and down and he really doesn't take very many, averaging a grand total of 1 make a year. Goran Dragic is not a really good 3 point shooter. A good start this year should not be near enough to call him really good. He is a good PnR player and a great "break down the defense with a dribble-drive", but he needs the ball in his hands a lot. Maybe that will be what the 76ers need, but with Simmons and Embiid I feel like they have time to find out. Dragic is also on the other side of 30 now, so his window does not fit at all with the rest of that teams.
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Sixers are tanking this year . I doubt they do anything to jump out of the top 3. Also they are going to give Simmons the ball a ton in the last 30 games or whatever.
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If Dragic ever fulfills his destiny as Steve Nash's heir, he should start rattling off a bunch of all-star and quasi-MVP-worthy seasons at age 31. e: I went down a bref rabbit hole and came back to tell you guys that Kawhi Leonard and Paul George are shooting over 90% on free throws on a sizable number of attempts. Also, George Karl pumps the brakes for about 5 seconds and then slams the pedal again quote:George Karl, in an interview with New York Magazine, had more to say about Carmelo Anthony: "Melo is a hell of a player, the best offensive player I've ever coached," Karl said. "I owe him as much as anyone for my having a great record. But there's a new generation of players interested in personal branding and gaining money and power off the court, and that's all new to me . There were too many times with Melo when what was going on off the court was more important than what was happening on the court. It bothered me then and it bothers me now." And, good news for Rick! http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18364432/los-angeles-lakers-audition-free-agent-donatas-motiejunas chunkles fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Dec 28, 2016 |
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alansmithee posted:Nick Young's actually been shooting really well this year. He's been a real solid player. Haha yeah I know. I was just looking at his stats for the last game. I think he scored like 4 points.
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Femur posted:What kinda legacies do stockton and malone have? They are who I think of when I think pnr. Yeah, what's weird is that if you watch their games, there is a real lack of pick and roll. A few years ago I watched a bunch of their playoff games against the Bulls from the 90s and it struck me how few pick and rolls there were. Just to make sure, I just watched the first quarter of this random game from 2001. I count zero ball screens. To put that into context, the average NBA team in 2016 has 16 ball screens in the first quarter, and nobody has less than ten. There are a ton of screens in this game, including a lot of back screens which you don't really see today outside a GSW game, but no ball screens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTHMm2Etr5g  John Crotty alert Look at this play. This would absolutely be a pick and roll by 2006, either a mid pnr with Ostertag or a step up with Donyell. 
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Tae posted:The Suns back then pretty much got position-less basketball done 10 years before its time. I miss having a competitive team to watch 
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Dejan Bimble posted:
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Redgrendel2001 posted:There is zero pressure to win with the fanbase this year. Everyone is happy with the Simmons pick, Embiid's debut, and what will likely be both a top 5 and a top 10 pick in a good draft. Man that conversation that wound up getting you that red text was ridiculous. Great illustration of the difference between having a reasonable argument (he thought the Celtics would be better than the 76ers in the near future although he projected way too far out) and arguing reasonably (he was being a total rear end in a top hat about things that were not as self-evident as they might seem.) Dejan Bimble posted:just know I kill a mic like that kid from ATL Once I was idly reciting a Gucci Mane line from maybe Photo Shoot? to myself something like "Killa Mike, I kill the mic, absolutely kill the mic" to myself then I realized my roommate Mike was in the room and I was all no that's not what I meant 
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What's the argument for keeping Okafor over Noel? Potential? It seems like Embiid and (probably) Simmons do everything Okafor does, but better.
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Noel is a free agent and not been happy. Also not sure what a Okafor trade would even return these days.
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NickRoweFillea posted:What's the argument for keeping Okafor over Noel? Potential? It seems like Embiid and (probably) Simmons do everything Okafor does, but better. Okafor is supposed to be a highly skilled offensive player with a lot of polish who could contribute immediately on offense and maybe someday be not poo poo at defense, and Noel is basically the inverse of that. Offensively, neither one really complements Embiid but I guess if you think that Embiid will develop an outside game then I guess you could justify keeping them both They don't play Embiid and Okafor together enough to know if it would actually work which seems really weird but whatever
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