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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38430164 64 members of Alexandrov Ensemble (Red Army Choir) died in a plane crash over Black Sea, along with renowned humanitarian Elisaveta Glinka and journalists of leading Russian tv channels. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUi1XPZ2Lp4 Causes are obviously unkown at the moment, but the plane was being on its way to Syria, so...
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fatherboxx posted:Causes are obviously unkown at the moment, but the plane disappeared from radar just minutes after take-off, so... Fixed your post to sound less ominous. Russian military transport planes crash all the time, the last one happened just a week ago in Siberia. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38362858
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Dec 25, 2016 13:12
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fatherboxx posted:Causes are obviously unkown at the moment, but the plane was being on its way to Syria, so... Gulen/Obama/Soros 
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Dec 25, 2016 13:13
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And with the Alexandrovs dies the last good thing about Russia, RIP.
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Dec 25, 2016 13:16
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Nenonen posted:Fixed your post to sound less ominous. Russian military transport planes crash all the time, the last one happened just a week ago in Siberia. Also Russian TV channels do not employ journalists. drat shame about the Choir, though. Apparently was going to Syria? fatherboxx posted:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38430164 Renowned for abducting children and endangering their health, yes. OddObserver fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Dec 25, 2016 |
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Dec 25, 2016 15:07
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OddObserver posted:Also Russian TV channels do not employ journalists. Yep, Russian holidays are just coming and they were going to entertain Russian servicemen in Latakia. I can't imagine how depressing it must be having to spend the New Year away from your loved ones and then even the entertainers crash into sea.
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Dec 25, 2016 15:25
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For old times' sake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSKSd0x4a5U I'm expecting them to form the ensemble again, after all what is an army without an official choir? Until such time, the Ministry of Interior's choir holds the monopoly (I wonder if the FSB has its own ensemble?).
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Dec 25, 2016 15:37
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Nenonen posted:For old times' sake:
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Dec 25, 2016 15:43
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It also, in no small part, is down to the preferential hiring of people with prior military training (which is fundamentally incompatible with responsible civilian 'frontline' policing) and, in all likelihood, an influx of cases of undiagnosed PTSD in the months and years after a period of US military-involved conflict draws to a close. There's actually been cases where officers with prior military experience have been less likely to resort to needless violence, as they've been in situations as stressful or more stressful than trying to figure out if a suspect is armed and are able to analyze the situation and respond appropriately. The incompatibility is in trying to adopt a military mindset without military training and experience, like Cleveland calling police stations "forward operating bases". They pretend that they're in a war zone where anything could happen, which encourages them to treat all civilians (but especially black ones, because of course) as the enemy rather than as the people they're supposed to be protecting. This is how you get cases where a call for a 12-year-old playing with what may or may not be a toy gun in the park is responded to by cops roaring their car off the road into a park and shooting at a child as they climb out of the vehicle.
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Dec 25, 2016 15:47
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chitoryu12 posted:There's actually been cases where officers with prior military experience have been less likely to resort to needless violence, as they've been in situations as stressful or more stressful than trying to figure out if a suspect is armed and are able to analyze the situation and respond appropriately. Also without anything close to military discipline.
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Dec 25, 2016 15:51
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Are we certain this was not part of some internal power struggle? There can be only one Red Army Choir! Fair point, after all we know that in Russia performing arts are a very, very serious business, much like photographic galleries incite violence in Turkey quote:Mr. Dmitrichenko told the court that he had asked Yuri Zarutsky, an acquaintance and a former convict, to “knock around” Mr. Filin, but maintained that Mr. Zarutsky took it upon himself to embellish the assault by dousing Mr. Filin’s face with acid. Mr. Zarutsky was sentenced to 10 years for conspiring to cause bodily harm.
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Dec 25, 2016 15:57
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Nenonen posted:Yep, Russian holidays are just coming and they were going to entertain Russian servicemen in Latakia. I can't imagine how depressing it must be having to spend the New Year away from your loved ones and then even the entertainers crash into sea.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2kct9fMY5E
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anilEhilated posted:Anyhow, I somehow can't find it in myself to mourn the fuckers who were en route to celebrate war crimes in Syria. That's... quite a way to see it, I guess.
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Dec 25, 2016 23:17
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Apparently Kobzon was supposed to have been on (or was at least invited onto) the same plane, but declined due to medical reasons: http://www.metronews.ru/novosti/kob...C22kit_isaOOPA/ Kobzon to 2016: you tried, but you still can't kill me. Or something..
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Dec 26, 2016 04:26
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Could someone give me some background on "Dr. Liza", the humanitarian activist who was on board the plane? It sounds like she did do some good inside Russia, but I also see that she's been known as Putin's adviser on human rights, which doesn't sound all that great. It seems like she mostly hung around to "whatabout" other nation's human rights issues while ignoring ones caused by Russia. The only thing I could find recently she worked on was getting some needy children in Donbass medical treatment in Moscow that they couldn't get in there, but then again, the whole reason they can't get similar treatments in Kiev or Odessa is because Russia invaded Donbass and cut them off.
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Dec 26, 2016 05:11
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Young Freud posted:Could someone give me some background on "Dr. Liza", the humanitarian activist who was on board the plane? It sounds like she did do some good inside Russia, but I also see that she's been known as Putin's adviser on human rights, which doesn't sound all that great. It seems like she mostly hung around to "whatabout" other nation's human rights issues while ignoring ones caused by Russia. The only thing I could find recently she worked on was getting some needy children in Donbass medical treatment in Moscow that they couldn't get in there, but then again, the whole reason they can't get similar treatments in Kiev or Odessa is because Russia invaded Donbass and cut them off. What I remember about her is she was "helping" evacuate a kid with significant health needs/requirements for constant care from Slovyansk when it was occupied ---- and her actions there mostly involved prioritizing the face time she gets looking good for cameras, at direct expense of endangering the child. She basically had him dragged away from the negotiated route that had an ambulance waiting, and dragged him around as a prop without even bothering to keep the parents updated.
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Dec 26, 2016 05:26
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Nenonen posted:(I wonder if the FSB has its own ensemble?). A blue-man group type of thing but with dissidents and rubber hoses instead of buckets and drumsticks.
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Dec 26, 2016 07:17
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I'm sorry about your choir, Russia. They never killed anyone.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jM_2y6MTPAg
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Sergg posted:I'm sorry about your choir, Russia. They never killed anyone. Yeah, as much as the Russian government is awful I'm not really thrilled about a bunch of Russian musicians dying.
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Dec 26, 2016 19:27
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Happy 25th anniversary of dissolution of Empire of Evil!
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:It also, in no small part, is down to the preferential hiring of people with prior military training (which is fundamentally incompatible with responsible civilian 'frontline' policing) and, in all likelihood, an influx of cases of undiagnosed PTSD in the months and years after a period of US military-involved conflict draws to a close. Nah. U.S. veterans are far better educated, and traveled, than the average civilian. Also more likely to be reasonable.
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Dec 26, 2016 22:43
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Warbadger posted:Yeah, as much as the Russian government is awful I'm not really thrilled about a bunch of Russian musicians dying. They were propagandists for terrorism. The reporters traveling with them were the same as ISIS embedded reporters.
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Dec 28, 2016 12:53
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Warbadger posted:Yeah, as much as the Russian government is awful I'm not really thrilled about a bunch of Russian musicians dying.
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Dec 28, 2016 13:07
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https://twitter.com/IndyUSA/status/814085984824492032
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I advise Kissinger to finally choke on a sack of dicks.
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Apparently Kissinger isn't satisfied with gifting South Vietnam to North Vietnam. He wants to keep shoveling parts of other countries into the gaping maw of evil, it seems.
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Dec 28, 2016 13:58
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Okay I think he's finally crossed the line now!
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Libluini posted:Apparently Kissinger isn't satisfied with gifting South Vietnam to North Vietnam.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That is for sure the worst thing he ever did. And coincidentally, the only thing I remember about him! 
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Dec 28, 2016 14:31
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I didn't really think anyone was psychotic enough to find the mass death of a choir enjoyable, but I guess I can always count on D&D... :/
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Kissinger is the man who would deal with the devil and come out ahead. Say what you want about him, the blood on his hands, and all the people he made suffer: it was never his people. (His people are republicans)
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Dec 28, 2016 18:01
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I didn't really think anyone was psychotic enough to find the mass death of a choir enjoyable, but I guess I can always count on D&D... :/  Enjoyable? No. Hell, it was the best thing the red army has done post them killing a bunch of crazy nazis an age ago. Losing them isn't enjoyable for anyone I'm sure.I'm, however, not going to cry over a part of a fascist regime's propaganda machine crashing and drowning. How much entertainment I get from its youtube channel doesn't really change what it really is.
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Dec 28, 2016 18:03
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Russian hackers attacked the OSCE network. https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/814204937542520832
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Dec 28, 2016 21:29
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The concrete in that bridge has been hacked!
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Russian hackers attacked the OSCE network. What's the chance the attack involved the Russians OSCE employs as "impartial observers" giving them all the passwords?
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Truga posted:I'm, however, not going to cry over a part of a fascist regime's propaganda machine crashing and drowning. I wasn't aware that the Red Army Choir were also the RT/Sputnik staff and the Olgino trolls. Man those Russians sure are efficient at multitasking! No, a bunch of singers and musicians are not a propaganda machine. They're a source of prestige for the country, sure, but they don't broadcast any sort of message (other than "Russia has a great band"). Trying to find some stupid way to make this tragic accident a victory for the free world is just tasteless.
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Cat Mattress posted:No, a bunch of singers and musicians are not a propaganda machine. They're a source of prestige for the country, sure, but they don't broadcast any sort of message (other than "Russia has a great band"). Eh, that's not quite true. The ensemble was always part of the Soviet propaganda machinery. Not a very sinister part, but still obvious propaganda, much more obvious than other forms of culture and sports that are also widely used for propaganda purposes. After the fall of Soviet Union it came to be seen so kitschy that Helmut Lotti could safely perform the same Stalinist songs, but imagine if Bundeswehr had its own choir and dance group performing Horst Wessel Lied and other beloved classics...
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Were they also at one of those Crimea celebrations? If so, gently caress'em too. E: steinrokkan posted:I mean, might as well shoot all the Soviet / Russian filmmakers, actors, musicians, singers... because they make the life in Russia less miserable, and thus contribute to the survival of its corrupt regime by placating the populace, and are part of national propaganda. mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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