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Nenonen posted:Eh, that's not quite true. The ensemble was always part of the Soviet propaganda machinery. Not a very sinister part, but still obvious propaganda, much more obvious than other forms of culture and sports that are also widely used for propaganda purposes. I mean, might as well shoot all the Soviet / Russian filmmakers, actors, musicians, singers... because they make the life in Russia less miserable, and thus contribute to the survival of its corrupt regime by placating the populace, and are part of national propaganda. Or at least hang all those ballet dancers who were pretty much bred to raise Russia's prestige abroad.
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See, the Švejk gets it.Cat Mattress posted:Red Army Choir Look at what you've written. Look at it! Cat Mattress posted:They're a source of prestige for the country, sure, but they don't broadcast any sort of message (other than "Russia has a great band"). Trying to find some stupid way to make this tragic accident a victory for the free world is just tasteless. Hmm, yes, this perpetual Red Army PR stunt that's been basically their image since the soviet union still existed is not propaganda to make the army look like a cool bunch of pals, who sing songs and dance with glee and have a gay old time, no sir. Spoiler but not really: enlisted officers maim and kill people in wars, actively supporting the shitshows putin's involved in. Them singing in a choir doesn't change that, it just makes it worse because it makes it seem they're cool average people who don't do war crimes. Again, I like the red army choir music. I *love* commie songs especially, they're the best. But a bunch of singing soldiers died? Tough titty. Maybe don't fly to syria to provide morale support for people bombing civilians next time, shitlords.
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Cat Mattress posted:No, a bunch of singers and musicians are not a propaganda machine. They're a source of prestige for the country, sure, but they don't broadcast any sort of message (other than "Russia has a great band").
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steinrokkan posted:I mean, might as well shoot all the Soviet / Russian filmmakers, actors, musicians, singers... because they make the life in Russia less miserable, and thus contribute to the survival of its corrupt regime by placating the populace, and are part of national propaganda. Nay, I feel sorry for them (and the reporters and the rest of the casualties). But to say that they weren't propaganda is odd. This isn't a stock photograph of a kitten used to market an unrelated product, they were actual military personnel dressed in military uniforms singing militaristic songs. If that's not military propaganda then what is? Nenonen fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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The sad part is, the people who died are probably just duders who like singing, the ones orchestrating the whole thing didn't. Still can't feel sorry for them though, red army choir isn't the only choir in russia.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 20:01 |
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The point is, we have Russia Today, Sputnik, and the Internet Research Agency. They're shaping up popular perception of Russia's actions over the world a lot more than what the army choir could ever hope to do.
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It was an extremely polite rocket that shot down MH17.Cat Mattress posted:The point is, we have Russia Today, Sputnik, and the Internet Research Agency. They're shaping up popular perception of Russia's actions over the world a lot more than what the army choir could ever hope to do. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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anilEhilated posted:Yeah, the thing is the existence of other venues of propaganda doesn't suddenly make one not propaganda. Saying Russia lost a propaganda machine with that crash is like saying Russia has been disarmed by a burglar stealing some old sword from a museum. In that metaphor, RT, Sputnik, and the Kremlin trolls are the nuclear triad.
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Which is probably why no one is saying that. IIRC, the post was about a part of the propaganda machine - and it most definitely was that.
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Hate to break up Red Army Choir chat, but President Obama just sent 35 Russian diplomats packing and ordered two Russian compounds in the US closed. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14I1TY Reuters posted:President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats and sanctioned Russian intelligence officials who Washington believes were involved in hacking U.S. political groups in the 2016 presidential election. Reevaluate their actions - I'm sure the Russians are reflecting on their mistakes right now.
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Reevaluate their actions - I'm sure the Russians are reflecting on their mistakes right now.
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This is a sincere question and I'm really refraining my utter contempt and disgust to make it. What would be the reaction of this thread if one of the planes that bring singers or comedians to perform to the US army stationed on Iraq or Afghanistan fell? Would it be the same callousness displayed towards the RAC or would there an attempt to make a distinction between them and the troops waging war on the ground?
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Plutonis posted:This is a sincere question and I'm really refraining my utter contempt and disgust to make it. What would be the reaction of this thread if one of the planes that bring singers or comedians to perform to the US army stationed on Iraq or Afghanistan fell? Would it be the same callousness displayed towards the RAC or would there an attempt to make a distinction between them and the troops waging war on the ground? Those comedians didn't advocate the invasion of my country so I'd be a bit sad probably.
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Plutonis posted:This is a sincere question and I'm really refraining my utter contempt and disgust to make it. What would be the reaction of this thread if one of the planes that bring singers or comedians to perform to the US army stationed on Iraq or Afghanistan fell? Would it be the same callousness displayed towards the RAC or would there an attempt to make a distinction between them and the troops waging war on the ground? lol
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 00:39 |
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I mean I would literally laugh out loud if some idiot entertainers died enmasse
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provided that the group included Adam Sandler
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Plutonis posted:This is a sincere question and I'm really refraining my utter contempt and disgust to make it. What would be the reaction of this thread if one of the planes that bring singers or comedians to perform to the US army stationed on Iraq or Afghanistan fell? Would it be the same callousness displayed towards the RAC or would there an attempt to make a distinction between them and the troops waging war on the ground? Of course not, because people on this board generally like the US more than Russia, people are instinctive hypocrites like this. The complaints for the the choir as militaristic propaganda is true for all army choirs, Russian, US, Estonian, Romanian etc, it's just that in comparison to most others Russia is really good at being an unlikable fucker.
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Plutonis posted:This is a sincere question and I'm really refraining my utter contempt and disgust to make it. What would be the reaction of this thread if one of the planes that bring singers or comedians to perform to the US army stationed on Iraq or Afghanistan fell? Would it be the same callousness displayed towards the RAC or would there an attempt to make a distinction between them and the troops waging war on the ground? It depends: did they do any numbers wishing for people in neighboring country to freeze to death since they don't see eye-to-eye with their government?
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Nenonen posted:provided that the group included Adam Sandler
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Nenonen posted:provided that the group included Adam Sandler This, but I kind of hope they'd put Justin Bieber on the same plane. (Yes I know he was born in Canada, but he lives in the US now.)
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Plutonis posted:This is a sincere question and I'm really refraining my utter contempt and disgust to make it. What would be the reaction of this thread if one of the planes that bring singers or comedians to perform to the US army stationed on Iraq or Afghanistan fell? Would it be the same callousness displayed towards the RAC or would there an attempt to make a distinction between them and the troops waging war on the ground? Good riddance! I hope those little freaks Adam Sandler and Justin Bieber violently die next mwahahahaha e:f,b
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Zudgemud posted:Of course not, because people on this board generally like the US more than Russia, people are instinctive hypocrites like this. The complaints for the the choir as militaristic propaganda is true for all army choirs, Russian, US, Estonian, Romanian etc, it's just that in comparison to most others Russia is really good at being an unlikable fucker. My reaction would be pretty much identical tbh: don't sign up to provide morale support for people killing other people. I don't think it's a very complicated concept. HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Hate to break up Red Army Choir chat, but President Obama just sent 35 Russian diplomats packing and ordered two Russian compounds in the US closed. This is great tbh, now Trump can choose better Russian buddies easier "Oh, Obama expelled all those dudes let me tell you, and now we can't work with our friends in Russia well, so here's some Putin's best buddies that'll work with us bigly." Truga fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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The executive order also placed sanctions on the entire FSB.
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Literally the final, agonizing flailing in the last days of this lame-duck administration.
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I'm very glad Obama's last actions are to empower Trump to abuse executive orders even more so than he's done for the past eight years. It's like he's purposefully trying to destroy his own legacy.
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steinrokkan posted:I'm very glad Obama's last actions are to empower Trump to abuse executive orders even more so than he's done for the past eight years. It's like he's purposefully trying to destroy his own legacy.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Trump is the ultimate troll, and Obama is having a meltdown. I genuinely hope Trump tries pulling the "I was only PRETENDING to be retarded" defense at some point
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In the exceedingly short list of things that may inhibit Trump political custom and decorum is not among them.
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Torquemadras posted:I genuinely hope Trump tries pulling the "I was only PRETENDING to be retarded" defense at some point
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Trump has nothing to defend though. Obama called him out, and now Trump is destroying Obama's legacy. Winners don't need defending. Dunno, four years is a long time, and that dude's twitter trigger is short. Mind you, not that that particular stunt would make any difference - he could enthusiastically deny/applaud the Holocaust, and those who dislike him continue to do so, while those you love him might love him even more
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Torquemadras posted:Dunno, four years is a long time, and that dude's twitter trigger is short. And the cognitive dissonance would grow stronger for everyone in-between, like say Netanyahu and Israel if he pulled something like that.
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Well, that's not creepy at all ... https://twitter.com/nytpolitics/status/814913979797667840
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At least everyone knows exactly what he has on his mind! E: An Enter Air plane with mostly Polish travelers was forced to make an emergency landing at the Prague Vaclav Havel/Ruzyne airport (PRG) due to a bomb threat. Apparently the cops have the suspect but aren't saying if there really was a bomb. http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ct24/domaci/1998757-v-praze-nouzove-pristalo-letadlo-kvuli-hrozbe-bombou-policie-zneskodnila-podezreleho mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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Happy New Year EE! Let Polite Green Men and Grad strikes always miss you!
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Szczesliwego nowego roku! Happy new year EE goons!
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Щасливого нового року from Ukraine folks
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Laimīgu Jauno gadu!
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mobby_6kl posted:At least everyone knows exactly what he has on his mind! Pierogi party? And yes, happy new year, given the last year, let's party like it's 1939.
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Somehow 2016 wasn't actually much worse than 2015 for EE so I guess The polish passenger was just mad about something and didn't actually have a bomb. They were doing a psychiatric evaluation but I'm not sure if he'd be charged with something.
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https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/815232903948931073
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