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TotalLossBrain posted:I didn't see anyone here trying to make that point. (Did I miss it?) So who are you arguing with? I'm arguing with the 2-3 people that immediately scoffed at the idea of an armed rebellion against the US gov't but the points were made and now the sidebar is done with as far as I can tell, except for people now just annoyed that some actual conversation happened back and forth. H.P. Hovercraft posted:please do not continue to engage w/ moridin's retarded rear end I love how a thread has some circlejerk poo poo happening and someone pops in just to make a point and suddenly everyone hates that they're breaking up the wank party of "lol the gov't shoulda just bombed those idiots!" get bent lol nothing I said was retarded even if you don't necessarily agree with everything I've said and you don't need to be pointlessly hostile e: If you hadn't noticed I stopped posting about it until you wanted to whine about it. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 23:00 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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Moridin920 posted:get bent lol nothing I said was retarded even if you don't necessarily agree with everything I've said and you don't need to be pointlessly hostile You badly misunderstood the nature of the relationship the framers of the constitution had with armed force and their complicated attitudes towards militia vs. standing armies, as well as the important differences between those two as understood in the late 18th century.
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Not to derail this thrilling tangent about the 2nd amendment, but why does Baloogan's rap sheet make it appear he has been giving himself probations for a while now?
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Moridin920 posted:I'm arguing with the 2-3 people that immediately scoffed at the idea of an armed rebellion against the US gov't but the points were made and now the sidebar is done with as far as I can tell, except for people now just annoyed that some actual conversation happened back and forth. Nobody said the government should have bombed them actually
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Nobody said the government should have bombed them actually oh i guess i must have just imagined every time people said that in the last couple hundred pages carry on then  Captain_Maclaine posted:You badly misunderstood the nature of the relationship the framers of the constitution had with armed force and their complicated attitudes towards militia vs. standing armies, as well as the important differences between those two as understood in the late 18th century. I may have misunderstood their feelings on militias (in that I didn't realize they made a distinction between a standing army and a state militia) but I don't think it really makes my general point wrt the second amendment or the founder's feelings about a government's authority being derived from the people who can revoke said authority wrong. Even aside from the Declaration of Independence where it is spelled out as such, there are many quotes from the founders referring to such (like the Jefferson tree of liberty quote). And, like I have said twice now, the Supreme Court of the United States said in a 2008 decision that gun control is important specifically so that people have the ability to resist tyranny. Like they literally wrote that in a majority decision so I feel like there's something to the notion and I'm not just pulling poo poo out of my butthole that stopped being relevant hundreds of years ago. e: I did like your post re the militias though, but it wasn't really some major pillar to my argument. The founders make it pretty clear they support the people's right to rebel against tyranny 
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CaptainSarcastic posted:Not to derail this thrilling tangent about the 2nd amendment, but why does Baloogan's rap sheet make it appear he has been giving himself probations for a while now? He does that from time to time, which I think is a better indication that we made the right choice in making him an IK. One time he got told mods/IKs couldn't probate themselves and he drunkenly replied "gently caress YOU YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO" and then probated himself, which was hilarious.
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Dec 29, 2016 23:14
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Captain_Maclaine posted:He does that from time to time, which I think is a better indication that we made the right choice in making him an IK. One time he got told mods/IKs couldn't probate themselves and he drunkenly replied "gently caress YOU YOU CAN'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO" and then probated himself, which was hilarious. I'm going to picture him shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED?" at his monitor, clicking the probate button, and then chuckling in satisfaction.
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Moridin920 posted:I may have misunderstood their feelings on militias (in that I didn't realize they made a distinction between a standing army and a state militia) Are you really blaming the founders for your own inability to understand the meaning "militia" has consistently held for over three hundred years?
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Dec 29, 2016 23:21
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Moridin920 posted:I'm arguing with the 2-3 people that immediately scoffed at the idea of an armed rebellion against the US gov't Did those people you're allegedly arguing with also try to justify disarming people?
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Main Paineframe posted:Are you really blaming the founders for your own inability to understand the meaning "militia" has consistently held for over three hundred years? hm no that's not really what happened. I took a quote specifically about how standing armies are a threat to liberty and assumed they also applied it to militias which have many of the same characteristics as a 'standing army' (esp since at the time there was no standing federal army really and it was up to states) but apparently not See this is kind of another example of some SA circlejerk poo poo lol. So quick to jump on the anti-Mori bandwagon that you don't realize the statement "this word has kept the consistent same definition for over 300 years" is kind of absurd on its face.
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Moridin920 posted:I may have misunderstood their feelings on militias (in that I didn't realize they made a distinction between a standing army and a state militia) Moridin920 posted:See this is kind of another example of some SA circlejerk poo poo lol. So quick to jump on the anti-Mori bandwagon that you don't realize the statement "this word has kept the consistent same definition for over 300 years" is kind of absurd on its face. lmao  ok back on ignore for you cya
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Moridin920 posted:hm no that's not really what happened. I took a quote specifically about how standing armies are a threat to liberty and assumed they also applied it to militias which have many of the same characteristics as a 'standing army' (esp since at the time there was no standing federal army really and it was up to states) but apparently not "militia" does not mean "standing army" now, and it didn't mean "standing army" 300 years ago
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TotalLossBrain posted:Did those people you're allegedly arguing with also try to justify disarming people? To be fair not as such but usually the next step from this: BlackIronHeart posted:I really wonder what these militia chickenfuckers think about the governments ability to send a Hellfire missile through the roof of whatever shithole they're inhabiting in the same amount of time it would take for a pizza to be delivered. Like, yeah, you've got a bunch of rifles and pistols and shotguns and maybe some improvised pipebombs or whatever but they'll blow up the building before you even know death is coming. How do they keep up any sense of bravado in the face of that? I guess that's why they keep kids around. Main Paineframe posted:They think that if the government did something like that to white self-proclaimed patriots, gun owners all over the nation would rise up in revolt against the government, the military and National Guard and local sheriffs would all stand aside and refuse to put down the rebellion, the government would be forced to step down and be replaced by libertarians somehow, and in the end they would all be revered as heroic martyrs who died Making America Great Again. is "stupid rednecks and their stupid gun fetish, we should enact gun control!" If that wasn't the insinuation then my bad I guess but it does seem like a very popular segue into a "and that's why we don't need guns anymore!"
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:lmao Idk if there's any more of a self own than "I can't handle your posts or make a reasonable response to them that isn't just an emoji or insult so I'm going to put you on an ignore list." giant pussy baby lol e: and your rap sheet is even more dumbfuck than mine haha Main Paineframe posted:"militia" does not mean "standing army" now, and it didn't mean "standing army" 300 years ago Alright bro my bad I made a mistake. So fuckin' what? It doesn't invalidate my argument does it? Like what exactly is your point here with this anymore.
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TBH, that sounds like you're arguing against imaginary goons making hypothetical statments then.
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Moridin920 posted:"stupid rednecks and their stupid gun fetish, we should enact gun control!" A more accurate summation would be "sure, keep your guns but don't expect them to actually make a difference if you decide to go toe to toe with the federal government."
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TotalLossBrain posted:TBH, that sounds like you're arguing against imaginary goons here. If so then my bad. I've probably just seen this exact argument go down in many gun control threads and got ahead of myself. TotalLossBrain posted:I was one of the 2-3 that laughed at the idea of armed rebellion as you put it. I think that the 2nd amendment is cool & good for self defense, hunting, sports, whatever. But I also think that the "so I can revolt against the government" justification for it is far outdated and indeed silly. Well then we disagree and that's okay. I just wanted to give my reasoning and point out some recent events in which civilians overcame a vastly technologically superior force. It's not like the SCOTUS hasn't ever made a strange decision before. Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 23:35 on Dec 29, 2016 |
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murder all rednecks, imo
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CommunistPancake posted:murder all rednecks, imo republicans will prolly make oxy easier to get again via healthcare fuckery while cutting disability
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:republicans will prolly make oxy easier to get again via healthcare fuckery while cutting disability That would actually help the heroin OD crisis that plagues part of the country because poo poo's getting cut with fentanyl and carfentanil.
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Moridin920 posted:"stupid rednecks and their stupid gun fetish, we should enact gun control!" You don't have to waste electrons defending helpless weaponry: gun control is a doomed issue in America for at least another generation.
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Mr. Nice! posted:That would actually help the heroin OD crisis that plagues part of the country because poo poo's getting cut with fentanyl and carfentanil. idk it's not like an opiate addiction is a stable and consistent thing that can be answered w/ a prescription i mean sure plenty got pushed to the black market when the scripts dried up but they pulled back on oxy and the like in the first place b/c so many (white, old) people were dyin from it
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oxy reps: "lol y'all can prescribe our Ultimate Pleasure Drug safely forever it can't hurt you"
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guys when I said go Waco I said that for a reason, namely that it lies within acceptable Federal powers y'all are crazy sometimes
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:idk it's not like an opiate addiction is a stable and consistent thing that can be answered w/ a prescription I'm totally with you, but an influx of actual metered drugs into society would basically cut off the heroin ODs. You then have the problems that loose opiate prescriptions have inherent to them, but I think that's an easier row to hoe. Basically by cutting off the hillbilly heroin fountain cold turkey people were forced onto the black market. Heroin is easier to get than oxy now in most places with the added bonus of possible lethality from a single dose.
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Doc Hawkins posted:You don't have to waste electrons defending helpless weaponry: gun control is a doomed issue in America for at least another generation. It won't stop lovely democrats from killing their party over it though.
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Actually if we could find an opoid that only kills white trash we could improve the country overnight.
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Casimir Radon posted:Actually if we could find an opoid that only kills white trash we could improve the country overnight. Ooo, a brave new-world of racist drugs. Very progressive.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I'm totally with you, but an influx of actual metered drugs into society would basically cut off the heroin ODs. You then have the problems that loose opiate prescriptions have inherent to them, but I think that's an easier row to hoe. Basically by cutting off the hillbilly heroin fountain cold turkey people were forced onto the black market. Heroin is easier to get than oxy now in most places with the added bonus of possible lethality from a single dose. and to your point the black market is absolutely insane w/ things like carfentanyl, particularly in rural areas (esp rural canada for some reason) it blows me away that that stuff is around at all. let me see if i can dig up that post about some junkie just handling it and nearly dying
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Casimir Radon posted:Actually if we could find an opoid that only kills white trash we could improve the country overnight. eugenics is cool and good I guess
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VikingSkull posted:eugenics is cool and good I guess Actually, no!
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Actually, no! whew thanks for the reality check that was a close one
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here we gobig cock Salaryman posted:So I won't go into detail but a while ago I ended up obtaining a few mg of the king of all opioids, pure Carfentanil off I'm sure you know where. cya later oxy-addicted hicks
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VikingSkull posted:whew thanks for the reality check that was a close one Always there for you.
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realtalk I had oxy's a bunch when I had back issues and that poo poo rules but yeah like don't do stuff like that on the reg though having done it I can understand the issues with it
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Moridin920 posted:hm no that's not really what happened. I took a quote specifically about how standing armies are a threat to liberty and assumed they also applied it to militias which have many of the same characteristics as a 'standing army' (esp since at the time there was no standing federal army really and it was up to states) but apparently not The second amendment literally cites the need for militias why would they do that You stupid moron
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:here we go Tbf to tcc that's a reddit post
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VikingSkull posted:realtalk I had oxy's a bunch when I had back issues and that poo poo rules but yeah like don't do stuff like that on the reg heroin is a cut above, idk if going back to oxy would work as well as theyre ayin
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Tbf to tcc that's a reddit post oh no we wouldn't want to impugn the honor of the opiate thread and their mission of arm reduction
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:heroin is a cut above, idk if going back to oxy would work as well as theyre ayin it depends on the method of intake really, snorting both is around the same from what I've read (I only ate mine and never did heroin so I dunno) now Opana's, whoa nelly that was the good poo poo
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