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Old thread, closed by the OP on account of too much Debate and/or Discussion This thread shall be a safe space for PNW-area Debate and Discussion, primarily focusing on political issues or whatever.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 21:31 |
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# ? May 11, 2024 12:38 |
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Thanks for the new thread, OP. Now on to the real questions that plague our region. Why does Oregon (and Portland specifically) have so many strip clubs?
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 22:06 |
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anthonypants posted:Old thread, closed by the OP on account of too much Debate and/or Discussion Great time, good times. turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Now on to the real questions that plague our region. Why does Oregon (and Portland specifically) have so many strip clubs? I want to say at first glance this is from a lack of them in WA because we don't want sex workers to not pay extra income tax. Because our law system is paternal as hell, you see.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 22:15 |
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I was gonna say it's because OR knows how to party and WA is like the dad state.
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 22:16 |
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Thanks for the new thread, OP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHVOROfd7Og
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 23:03 |
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anthonypants posted:Human trafficking Goddamnit
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# ? Dec 29, 2016 23:14 |
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glowing-fish is a punk rear end bitch. when cascadia rises, i hope they bring back nwcn. the dentist's waiting room will feel empty without it. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 00:01 |
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Oops you beat me to making a replacement.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 01:03 |
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Anyways, the answer to your poll: http://www.washington.edu/uwired/outreach/cspn/Website/Classroom%20Materials/Pacific%20Northwest%20History/Lessons/Lesson%202/2.html
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 01:05 |
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turn it up TURN ME ON posted:Goddamnit
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 02:36 |
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There are billboards around tukwila that say there's a lot of kid trafficing here but I've never seen it so I can't really fight it
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 03:05 |
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coyo7e posted:Anyways, the answer to your poll: http://www.washington.edu/uwired/outreach/cspn/Website/Classroom%20Materials/Pacific%20Northwest%20History/Lessons/Lesson%202/2.html Needs more graphs
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 03:05 |
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Black Diamond is doing it's best to emulate CIA sabotage OPs in their own town: http://voiceofthevalley.com/2016/12/04/shock-awe-hit-black-diamond-city-council-meeting/ quote:Shock and awe hit Black Diamond City Council during their Thursday, December 1, City Council meeting as Councilmembers Erika Morgan, Brian Weber and Pat Pepper were served a stack of lawsuit documents during the meeting’s second comment period at the end of the meeting. http://www.maplevalleyreporter.com/news/black-diamond-fails-to-pass-budget/ quote:Weber announced he had amendments he would like to make to the budget during the Dec. 1 meeting, but did not go into much detail about them. quote:The city’s insurance carrier, the Association of Washington Cities, made it clear in a Dec. 15 letter that it will not pay or compensate the city, the council as a whole or the individual council members for their defense costs because the city’s coverage does not include OPMA violations. They're playing on a micro level what the republicans have been flirting with nationally: http://www.king5.com/news/local/black-diamond-passes-budget-narrowly-avoids-government-shutdown/379542268 http://www.kiro7.com/news/local/no-police-water-if-king-co-city-doesnt-adopt-budget/479256070 Background from june: http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/eastside/city-hall-warfare-over-development-holds-black-diamond-hostage/ quote:Councilmembers Erika Morgan, Pat Pepper and Brian Weber are trying to wrest control of city government from Mayor Carol Benson. They say she hasn’t done enough to control a development that would add 6,060 homes over the next 20 years and quintuple the rural King County town’s population of 4,200. e: added map RuanGacho fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Dec 30, 2016 |
# ? Dec 30, 2016 03:41 |
Never change, local politics. If you've never watched a council meeting in a small city, do so. It's EXACTLY that insane.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 05:08 |
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I lived in Black Diamond for 5 years in the 80's. It is nothing more than a speed trap populated by old people. And a bakery.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 06:18 |
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Meydey posted:I lived in Black Diamond for 5 years in the 80's. It is nothing more than a speed trap populated by old people. And a bakery. So, most small towns in Oregon and Washington. The real question is... Did they elect Trump and do you have maps/graphs?
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 06:48 |
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Schwack posted:So, most small towns in Oregon and Washington. Does the bakery have a degree, or is there a college?
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 09:03 |
We will assume that this poll has a margin of error of 8 since there were 40 votes total and only 32 registered for Washington, the one true core, center, location, and heart of the PNW. Now I'd like everyone to keep in mind, that there term under discussion here is "the Pacific Northwest" not just simply the 'Northwest,' I have a feeling that putting these two terms side by side and contemplating what the difference could or should be in lexicographical meaning will clear up any confusion among unfortunate souls that mistakenly and naively include Idaho in a misguided attempt to appear relevant and knowledgeable pertaining the subjects at hand, when it is quite simply clear to everybody that they have never set foot near the PNW nor a map nor globe nor institute of higher learning for that matter.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 10:37 |
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Aryu Kiddimeh posted:We will assume that this poll has a margin of error of 8 since there were 40 votes total and only 32 registered for Washington, the one true core, center, location, and heart of the PNW. Now I'd like everyone to keep in mind, that there term under discussion here is "the Pacific Northwest" not just simply the 'Northwest,' I have a feeling that putting these two terms side by side and contemplating what the difference could or should be in lexicographical meaning will clear up any confusion among unfortunate souls that mistakenly and naively include Idaho in a misguided attempt to appear relevant and knowledgeable pertaining the subjects at hand, when it is quite simply clear to everybody that they have never set foot near the PNW nor a map nor globe nor institute of higher learning for that matter. It looks like some people avoided voting for Washington to help Oregon catch up. Shameful. Tier one PNW: Washington and B.C. Tier two PNW: Oregon and Alaska. Tier three PNW: Idaho and some northern bits of california in a theoretical world where I'm willing to look closely enough at california to subdivide it. And probably the Yukon, if we're going to be that flexible.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 11:11 |
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Excited to be here on the ground floor of a fabulous thread filled with posts that are very fun and exciting indeed.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 11:28 |
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Lazy_Liberal posted:Excited to be here on the ground floor of a fabulous thread filled with posts that are very fun and exciting indeed. I know, I sometimes confused the old version of this with the the Seattle thread and the other Seattle thread, but I vaguely remember attempting to talk real politics in it once or twice. This new version should be totally full of genuine regional debate and discussion, no dismissive sniping, hot takes, or reactionary boundary-defending whatsoever. I'll help make sure of that with posts like this one and the one above yours. Actually I'm pretty sure that the argument at the end of the last thread proved (via concession) once and for all that hot takes are the only definitive and reliable lens with which to view recent history, and any other attempted kinds of analysis are bullshit. So this will be an excellent thread.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 11:43 |
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My hot take, the PNW is better than non-PNW sections of the US because we didn't vote for Trump, thus proving our moral and intellectual superiority for all time fart
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 11:47 |
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Aryu Kiddimeh posted:We will assume that this poll has a margin of error of 8 since there were 40 votes total and only 32 registered for Washington, the one true core, center, location, and heart of the PNW. Now I'd like everyone to keep in mind, that there term under discussion here is "the Pacific Northwest" not just simply the 'Northwest,' I have a feeling that putting these two terms side by side and contemplating what the difference could or should be in lexicographical meaning will clear up any confusion among unfortunate souls that mistakenly and naively include Idaho in a misguided attempt to appear relevant and knowledgeable pertaining the subjects at hand, when it is quite simply clear to everybody that they have never set foot near the PNW nor a map nor globe nor institute of higher learning for that matter. To be blunt, Idaho is the PNW's backyard, where you hide all your shameful 'hobby' projects. To deny us our status as a PNW state is to deny yourselves. Unless you're going to deny everyone east of the mountains (condemning Pullman/Spokane/Moscow/Coeur d'alene and all the lesser cities (loving Clarkston)) citizenship in Cascadia?
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 15:47 |
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Having spent time in couer d alene, im ok with exiling them
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 16:27 |
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I'm fine with making the border along the Cascades. Maybe all the way to Ellensburg so we get Leavenworth, but leave out Yakima. Cascadia can look like the northern version of Chile.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 16:37 |
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Relevant Tangent posted:To be blunt, Idaho is the PNW's backyard, where you hide all your shameful 'hobby' projects. To deny us our status as a PNW state is to deny yourselves. Unless you're going to deny everyone east of the mountains (condemning Pullman/Spokane/Moscow/Coeur d'alene and all the lesser cities (loving Clarkston)) citizenship in Cascadia? Idaho's pretty distinctly the mountain West, despite what those liberal south-west hill dwellers might think/hope E: also, glad to see this thread's back on track: we'll figure out who the true PNW Scotsmen are eventually! El Mero Mero fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Dec 30, 2016 |
# ? Dec 30, 2016 18:50 |
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You can't hide from Idaho. It's part of you. It always has been. The history of the Northwest is intimately tied into Idaho.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 18:57 |
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GodFish posted:My hot take, the PNW is better than non-PNW sections of the US because we didn't vote for Trump, thus proving our moral and intellectual superiority for all time fart my district voted 89% for hillary! and only 52% for coal tax
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 23:03 |
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Schwack posted:So, most small towns in Oregon and Washington. They appear to have voted Trump, 124 votes to 99. King County's election data website is realyl clunky so I'm not sure that's a full tally.
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# ? Dec 30, 2016 23:59 |
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Meydey posted:I'm fine with making the border along the Cascades. Maybe all the way to Ellensburg so we get Leavenworth, but leave out Yakima. You got something against Native Americans?
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 01:11 |
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stubblyhead posted:They appear to have voted Trump, 124 votes to 99. King County's election data website is realyl clunky so I'm not sure that's a full tally. Can you make this into a clumsy map?
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 01:42 |
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So I just moved from San Antonio to Portland back in August, and I simply cannot get over just how much I love this city. Tomorrow my roomate and I are celebrating the new Years by smoking some top shelf MKULTRA (A strain with a reputation for insane munchies) until we can barely stand, then taking the light rail downtown (picks up at the end of our street) and then finally stumbling our way into an all-you-can-eat Brazilian steakhouse. What I'm saying is that I love living here and am so very grateful that a place as magical as this city actually exists.
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 03:04 |
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therobit posted:You got something against Native Americans? Hey now. Indian John rest stop on 90 is my favorite place to pee on the way to my moms house in Yakima.
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 03:44 |
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Schwack posted:Can you make this into a clumsy map?
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 05:12 |
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Prester Jane posted:So I just moved from San Antonio to Portland back in August, and I simply cannot get over just how much I love this city. Tomorrow my roomate and I are celebrating the new Years by smoking some top shelf MKULTRA (A strain with a reputation for insane munchies) until we can barely stand, then taking the light rail downtown (picks up at the end of our street) and then finally stumbling our way into an all-you-can-eat Brazilian steakhouse. Welcome to the place the survivors will tell of in Tales in the night light of the smoldering atomic ruins of the yuuge border patrol robots.
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 06:29 |
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Prester Jane posted:So I just moved from San Antonio to Portland back in August, and I simply cannot get over just how much I love this city. Tomorrow my roomate and I are celebrating the new Years by smoking some top shelf MKULTRA (A strain with a reputation for insane munchies) until we can barely stand, then taking the light rail downtown (picks up at the end of our street) and then finally stumbling our way into an all-you-can-eat Brazilian steakhouse. It's all fun and games until a hobo smears poo poo on your car. But if you don't have a car I guess you can replace that with a hobo smearing poo poo elsewhere... Senor P. fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 31, 2016 |
# ? Dec 31, 2016 21:11 |
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Prester Jane posted:So I just moved from San Antonio to Portland back in August, and I simply cannot get over just how much I love this city. Tomorrow my roomate and I are celebrating the new Years by smoking some top shelf MKULTRA (A strain with a reputation for insane munchies) until we can barely stand, then taking the light rail downtown (picks up at the end of our street) and then finally stumbling our way into an all-you-can-eat Brazilian steakhouse. Last week, I went down to the Plaid for some cigarettes. There was a middle aged black man standing outside. I've seen him around before. While I'm inside, a police officer walks in and asks the attendant if he's causing problems. The cashier says no and asks why. She responds that the pizza place next door has complained about him loitering and she's going to ask him to move along. The cashier comments that the guy shows up a few times a week and he thinks he's just waiting for a ride. I made my purchase and left, the cop was out there hassling the guy, asking him to move on. Can't have people loitering in front of Plaid in inner-SE, right? Wait. Aren't there always people loitering in front of that Plaid? Well yeah, but this guy was apparently different. Anyway, I used to go to this bro-ey sports bar near my house, primarily because it was the only spot in walking distance that I could consistently find a TV to watch my college team (understandable given that I went to a not all that great right now SEC school and this is PAC-12 country). Went there often enough that I got to be familiar with the Saturday staff, and they started just taking my order and cashing me out at the end, instead of asking for a card to run a tab. I'd have friends with me sometimes and they were comfortable enough with me that they'd just serve the table and cash us out at the end. Made it through football and basketball season this way. Then one day I bring along a different friend, happens to be a black man. They serve the table like always, the waitress brings us a second round of drinks, like always. Then, as the second round is getting ready to need refreshing, the waitress comes up and asks for a card to hold for the order. Says her manager has changed policies and they have to get a card for every table now. Okay. Just a coincidence, right? Nothing suspect about the timing. My good friend and roommate was out at the anti-Trump rallies and got called a host of derogatory terms for Hispanics by some of the aggrieved motorists (she's not Hispanic, but that doesn't matter). Well, that's just race. Guy came through the neighborhood a few weeks ago pulling the cans and bottles out of the blue/yellow bins to turn in for the deposits. Like a lot of people, I just put my cans/bottles in a bag next to the bins to make it easy. My neighbor doesn't. He yells at people when they start poking in the bin. I have lots of little anecdotes about things I've seen/heard/witnessed. This is truly a magical place. If you're the right kind of person and in the right crowd of people. But there's a lot of just under the surface non-overt racism and there's a ton of contempt for the homeless. And as the town gets richer and richer and more and more people get pushed out it's just going to get worse, I think.
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 21:37 |
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xrunner posted:Last week, I went down to the Plaid for some cigarettes. There was a middle aged black man standing outside. I've seen him around before. While I'm inside, a police officer walks in and asks the attendant if he's causing problems. The cashier says no and asks why. She responds that the pizza place next door has complained about him loitering and she's going to ask him to move along. The cashier comments that the guy shows up a few times a week and he thinks he's just waiting for a ride. I made my purchase and left, the cop was out there hassling the guy, asking him to move on. Can't have people loitering in front of Plaid in inner-SE, right? Wait. Aren't there always people loitering in front of that Plaid? Well yeah, but this guy was apparently different. This is a good post. But you forgot the literal nazis running over a black dude a few months ago. And the mayor covering for the cop who loves nazis
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 22:56 |
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Error 404 posted:This is a good post. I considered mentioning those ones but I wanted to stick with personal anecdotes. The big stuff gets press coverage but people tend to act like it's done by abhorrent people and doesnt speak to the reality of the community. It's all the little stuff that is easy to not see if you don't want to that is more telling in my opinion. People being dicks to the homeless is another. I mean, one of the most popular ideas for homeless assistance in Portland is rounding them up and sticking them in a literal jail that's in an out of the way spot with poor access to transit. If you listened to the rhetoric about springwater corridor this summer it sounded like it was straight out of mad max. I went down there a few times and while it was sad to see so many people outdoors, it didn't much live up to the poetic descriptions of devastation I read in the paper or heard from assholes at work. Magical little town if you like Pilates studios and fancy coffee and overpriced tiny hamburgers. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think there is plenty of good here too. But I find we like to pat each other on the back and revel in our reputation as this progressive wonderland at the expense of addressing very real problems in our community.
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# ? Dec 31, 2016 23:54 |
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xrunner posted:I mean, don't get me wrong, I think there is plenty of good here too. But I find we like to pat each other on the back and revel in our reputation as this progressive wonderland at the expense of addressing very real problems in our community. Portland.txt
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