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H.P. Hovercraft posted:oh no we wouldn't want to impugn the honor of the opiate thread and their mission of arm reduction I'm all about impugning them I just don't want them getting credit for that piece of stupidity
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I saw 82 posts and figured something had happened but no it's just a bunch of dumb posts arguing about ARE GUNZ.H.P. Hovercraft posted:here we go 
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this thread is basically tens of thousands of posts about ARE GUNZ when you think about it (and I often do)
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I'm going to picture him shouting "AM I BEING DETAINED?" at his monitor, clicking the probate button, and then chuckling in satisfaction. Thank you for this incredibly headcanon, btw.
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VikingSkull posted:this thread is basically tens of thousands of posts about ARE GUNZ when you think about it (and I often do) I am not a gun haver but I support the cop(s) that rocked that old man *ah poo poo i can't find his name from google search terms 'old oregon man shot by cop'* Well, whatever his name was he was a dumbass and the cop was dumber than he was to martyr him. I'm so conflicted. loving google http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/11/man_shot_on_morrison_bridge_en.html
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syscall girl posted:I am not a gun haver but I support the cop(s) that rocked that old man *ah poo poo i can't find his name from google search terms 'old oregon man shot by cop'* LaVoy Finicum?
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chitoryu12 posted:LaVoy Finicum? Yes, thank you. Dumb name, dumb death. Lavoy you were a human being, why did you need to push it so far?
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VikingSkull posted:realtalk I had oxy's a bunch when I had back issues and that poo poo rules but yeah like don't do stuff like that on the reg Coming down after a week of oxy 'cause of my back was shiiiiitty. Basically a first-hand lesson in why being drugged up on opioids is a terrible idea.
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OWLS! posted:Coming down after a week of oxy 'cause of my back was shiiiiitty.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:You badly misunderstood the nature of the relationship the framers of the constitution had with armed force and their complicated attitudes towards militia vs. standing armies, as well as the important differences between those two as understood in the late 18th century. A staggering number of people who refuse to engage honestly can be described by this statement. Also lol @self-preservation being equivalent to something like "the right to revolt (and win!)" Also lol@equating statements akin to "the US military has overwhelming weapons advantages" being taken as "nuke all dissenters from space, especially unarmed civilians" ---- gently caress you troglodytes for wasting my lunch break.
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syscall girl posted:Yes, thank you. for TruM p!!! the the Trump T R u c k
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mrbradlymrmartin posted:for TruM p!!! the the Trump This could actually be reality. Reality got real weird. The Apprentice is now hosted by future president Arnold Schwarzenegger.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:They probably have a better outlook then a piece of poo poo like you eager for the US Government to deploy military weaponry against civilians. philadelphia was fine with it
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Jose posted:philadelphia was fine with it nah it was FBI supplied breaching explosives not a hellfire from a drone
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VikingSkull posted:nah it was FBI supplied breaching explosives not a hellfire from a drone FBI isn't part of government, more at 11 
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The_Book_Of_Harry posted:FBI isn't part of government, more at 11 we kinda have laws that give the government power but also have laws that prevent the military from being used against civilians
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VikingSkull posted:we kinda have laws that give the government power but also have laws that prevent the military from being used against civilians TotalLossBrain has issued a correction as of 02:56 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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TotalLossBrain posted:With some of the equipment and training used by civilian law enforcement, the line between FBI and military becomes blurry at times. My tiny town had a swat tank for a while thanks to the the post-9/11 blank checks, because there's a reservoir that's technically a terror target. It sat in the municipal lot for like 3 years, then the government bought it back for pennies on the dollar.
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TotalLossBrain posted:With some of the equipment and training used by civilian law enforcement, the line between FBI and military becomes blurry at times. you definitely won't get a pro-militarization of police argument outta me
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VikingSkull posted:you definitely won't get a pro-militarization of police argument outta me I guess my point was only that the constitution preventing use of the US military against its own citizens inside its own borders becomes less and less meaningful as police forces continue to be militarized. And besides all that, the US military has killed US citizens without trial before and somehow justified it. (Abroad, granted)
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yeah but in a post 9/11 world it's at least understandable as to why some police forces and perhaps all Federal agencies have stuff like submachine guns and carbines, plus armored vehicles, doubly so after stuff like the LA bank robber shootout but that's a far cry from using literal military assets like drones and guided missiles
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Weren't unarmed drones used at Malheur during the occupation? I think I remember CrossDraw and Fry taking pot shots at them. Anyhow, you're right: I don't see police using armed aircraft or artillery anytime soon. But in the back of my mind I know that military assets have already been used in such a manner against our own citizens, just not on our soil. And the use wasn't even terribly well justified.
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The plane that got shot at was piloted but they may have used surveillance drones. Which, really, isn't all that different than a police helicopter.
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TotalLossBrain posted:Weren't unarmed drones used at Malheur during the occupation? I think I remember CrossDraw and Fry taking pot shots at them.
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VikingSkull posted:we kinda have laws that give the government power but also have laws that prevent the military from being used against civilians Yeah. But if it's a violent overthrow of a state rather than a "protest," I doubt those revolutionaries would self-identify as citizens. Well, until they faced the prospect of losing, anyhow.
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literally every modern civil war across the globe has featured segments of the armed forces of said nation defecting and joining the rebel side so talking about military power under those terms kinda gets a lil wonky at best
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The_Book_Of_Harry posted:Yeah. i like it when these sovcits also self-identify as patriots
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i'm a patriot of the sovereignty of me
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VikingSkull posted:literally every modern civil war across the globe has featured segments of the armed forces of said nation defecting and joining the rebel side so talking about military power under those terms kinda gets a lil wonky at best This is key. If a civil war would ever happen the military has to have to factionalized. If that doesn't happen, then you aren't talking about anything significant and law enforcement can handle it.
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it's also worth noting that the bulk of our nuclear weapons exist in solidly red states
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3x piddlying icbm fields ain't gonna cut it1!
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well to be fair there's tons of nukes under the ocean too including some that have been there an awfully long time
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most of the uranium on earth is under the ocean floor makes u think
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Baloogan posted:3x piddlying icbm fields ain't gonna cut it1! Pantex, motherfucker! Tex should give you a hint at where it's located. Of course, it's not like the 101st or the 82nd Airborne wouldn't be dropped down in Amarillo or a cavalry division scrambled out of Fort Hood if any type of secessionist movement got big enough to cause an uprising.
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again, you're making the mistake of assuming people in the military don't side with a true secessionist movement like, my grandfather was John Brown, captured by a Marine force led by guess who? Robert E Lee
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I think you only really get the kind of state susceptible to a civil war when you're already at a fairly high level of chaos and sectarian violence. The United States, for all its problems, is a very stable society with a relatively high standard of living. It may not be super awesome compared to some Scandinavian paradise, but when you take it in the context of the United States vs. Turkey you can see a marked difference. While I doubt American soldiers would eagerly start blowing up their fellow citizens in Texas and would probably rebel against authority if ordered to do so, the fact remains that this scenario is extremely unlikely to begin with. We're not the kind of country where protesters get machine gunned in the streets, or the Bundys get supplied with ATGMs and up-armored Humvees by Saudi Arabia to press their attack on Washington DC. And honestly, life is pretty drat good in America compared to just about every country that's seen a coup or civil war in recent decades. This makes it hard for a true revolution to form, which is why you just get scenarios like Malheur instead of American Spring.
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VikingSkull posted:again, you're making the mistake of assuming people in the military don't side with a true secessionist movement plz update us on moldering status
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