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Baloogan posted:lol @ u idiots The Democratic party has been continually owning itself since LBJ went out
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Concerned Citizen posted:i think the fact that we don't have presidents bernie sanders and ron paul show that online polls are utterly useless Lol yeah okay. 
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the people who do reputable online polls that aren't those garbage ones that can be flooded by posting to reddit use the same techniques as the phone polls fwiw
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Zikan posted:the people who do reputable online polls that aren't those garbage ones that can be flooded by posting to reddit use the same techniques as the phone polls fwiw internet-based panel polls are an interesting, emerging technique and they've had some level of accuracy, but unlike phone polls it's hard to drill down to district and state levels with them because the panels are too small.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:New Dem platform:
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Dec 30, 2016 19:28
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Yall need to click this link and scroll down and play "Waffle House For You And Me"
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Lol yeah okay. science has failed us, friends. it is time to return to the ways of our ancestors. the entrails spoke of a coming trump victory and we must trust them once again if we are ever to win.
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Concerned Citizen posted:internet-based panel polls are an interesting, emerging technique and they've had some level of accuracy, but unlike phone polls it's hard to drill down to district and state levels with them because the panels are too small. We could focus on state level town hall type meetings as well. I think a combination of all the techniques is good and I just feel like completely discounting Internet polls whole-cloth is just shooting yourself in the foot when the objective of governing is to take as many people's concerns and opinions into the policy-making as possible and trying not to alienate swathes of your base. If this election proved anything its that the dems in power had no idea just how many bernie-crat type democratic socialists were in their ranks and then totally ignored their policies as soon as bernie was defeated via ratfuck.
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when you're talking about internet polls are you talking about yougov type or those ones on cnn dot com that can be spammed
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GlyphGryph posted:Isn't "scientific" polling a political term almost wholly unrelated to being good or effective polling beyond "randomized, statistically significant" (which is a really, really low bar), and isn't it pretty much limited to voting intent? the private pollsters the party relies on are almost always more accurate than university pollsters. that said, sure - it's often difficult to interpret polling results and you can be easily misled.
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Main Paineframe posted:what's more amazing is that even in the skinniest states, 1 in 5 adults are still fat I'm a Colorado fattie, AMA
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within every third american lurks the soul of a murthering swede, agc
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Zikan posted:when you're talking about internet polls are you talking about yougov type or those ones on cnn dot com that can be spammed I'm talking about official dnc ones that would be sent directly to registered voters via e-mail with at least some form of safeguard to keep from reddit brigading. Just an easier more direct questioning from the upper party members to the base.
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:We could focus on state level town hall type meetings as well. I think a combination of all the techniques is good and i mean there's a difference between giving the base input, which is good, and treating that input like it's statistically sound. the loudest voices in the room are almost never representative of the actual electorate.
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mike cernovich was right, twitter polls were correct
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navyjack posted:I'm a Colorado fattie, AMA how much weed do u smoke
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Concerned Citizen posted:the private pollsters the party relies on are almost always more accurate than university pollsters. that said, sure - it's often difficult to interpret polling results and you can be easily misled. Like with a lot of poo poo in life, I feel like "accuracy" is less important than lots of other things in terms of making a poll "good" (still important, but not *as* important), and that there's an assumption that high accuracy is enough for a meaningful poll simply because accuracy is an easy metric to discern. I just feel like many political campaigns are so focused on getting *accurate* data that they neglect to seek (or understand or use when they receive) *useful* data.
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loquacius posted:Which stereotype is the third guy back, I zoomed all the way in and I still can't make it out French-Amerixan It goes Irish, Italian, French, Hungarian, ????
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/814678407413899264 seems short-sighted
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UNLIMITED WAR POWERS
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Polling and sampling hasn't been an issue for decades. Data and polling analysis has some way to go.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:two corthinerians and grab 'em by the pussy have proven beyond a doubt that it doesn't matter how much you suck at religion as long as you can appeal to something else they hold important This. Plus, anyone can learn how to speak in tongues in an hour, or less.
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Concerned Citizen posted:i mean there's a difference between giving the base input, which is good, and treating that input like it's statistically sound. the loudest voices in the room are almost never representative of the actual electorate. The opinions of the actual electorate on a huge number of issues are so mercurial and contextual that drawing conclusions even from a perfectly representative poll on "what we should do", or for anything more complex than "who are you probably going to vote for", is iffy. The loudest voices in the room might not be representative of the actual electorate, but is "representative of the actual electorate" what a campaign or politician should actually desire as their goal? Most of the actual electorate have very superficial opinions working off very limited information based largely on "things I've recently heard people say" on many subjects (myself included here) that should absolutely be disregarded when determining what policies to pursue. But if you've got a big chunk of people being very loud about something, sometimes they are just good at being loud sure but other times it is because they are the ones who *are* informed, or at least relatively more informed and unlikely to change their opinion based on superficial context changes... and simply by virtue of being loud, they often have an outsized sway on many of the people with less strong opinions.
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Lick my butthole, Alan.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:New Dem platform: I think I'd die laughing if venice or genoa sued Russia in the ICC for sovereignty over Crimea
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uhhh i thought bernie supporters were disloyal not-democrats?? and this guy wants to leave at the drop of a hat? okay, nice.
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is this a threat or a promise?
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alan dershowitz is a democrat the same way harlan "platonic image of man who was bullied in high school" hill is
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Lastgirl posted:
Hell yeah, trump's gonna go Full Reagan and being back the star wars program in time for 2020 
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i promise if the democratic party turns away from the path of cold-hearted neoliberalism i will return below the foam of the seas and dream and plot until the flame that flickers in the souls of men grows dim once more
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Lord of Pie posted:Hell yeah, trump's gonna go Full Reagan and being back the star wars program in time for 2020  yer a wiz LoP
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good I'm glad you guys can enjoy The Corbyn Factor in the US as we have been doing for a while here.
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kaleedity posted:Polling and sampling hasn't been an issue for decades. Data and polling analysis has some way to go. Actually the first two are becoming increasingly big issues because the country no longer has near-universal land-lines (with accompanying lax restrictions on things like automated dialing), so getting a representative sample of the population is substantially more difficult/expensive than it has been in the past. This is something that (if current trends hold) is only going to become increasingly difficult going forward.
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jBrereton posted:good I'm glad you guys can enjoy The Corbyn Factor in the US as we have been doing for a while here. is the corbyn factor one dude who is barely considered a democrat other than the literal letter next to his name being a bitch?
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