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BioEnchanted posted:Not a movie, but looking for opinions - Started watching Season 2 of Penny Dreadful - just watched episode 5 so no spoilers please, but how does everyone find the treatment of Angelique, the transwoman that Dorian starts dating? I like what they are doing so far because while most background characters notice something even if they are not aware of what, Dorian treats her like a woman through and through despite her genitalia - he never deadnames her, never misgenders her in his speech and seems so far to love her no matter how she chooses to present herself. Don't watch that show. It ends dreadfully. Dorian is nice to her before he kills her for looking at his painting
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Aww I don't wanna hear that. I was going to start it soon because I love weird west things
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Len posted:Aww I don't wanna hear that. I was going to start it soon because I love weird west things Showtime ended it. Like, midseason. Just "hey we're not making enough money on this" I was a big fan but almost none of the character arcs rap up.
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Wasn't there talk of tying it up in a graphic novel, or something? Edit: Found it http://www.avclub.com/article/penny-dreadful-back-comic-book-form-245138
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The thing with Civil War is that not signing and continuing was not a realistic option. Stark was choosing the best of the two available options, which were to sign or to stop. Captain America thinks that refusing to do something will make that something go away. It doesn't, he loses at the end of the movie. And that's why the next movies with those characters all have to wait until the giant world threatening bad guy shows up so it can justify everyone making up. Bates posted:Exactly this. It's just a generic, bland sitcom. What's so goddamn special about it?? Someone explained before that apparently stormtrooper armor is for environmental protection, not blasters. It's easier/cheaper to replace a trooper than outfit them in actual armor.
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Dec 30, 2016 02:03
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Trooper armor (unless they changed canon again) was basically meant to stop stun blasts and slug thrower style things. It offers SOME protection against a military style blaster, but not much. Think of it kinda like bullet proof plate armor. It'll stop the majority of the hit, but against more powerful rifles and handguns, it'll stop some of the force (  ) behind it but not enough to really count.
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Dec 30, 2016 02:17
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Trooper armor (unless they changed canon again) was basically meant to stop stun blasts and slug thrower style things. It offers SOME protection against a military style blaster, but not much. Doesn't work on arrows though.
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Trooper armor (unless they changed canon again) was basically meant to stop stun blasts and slug thrower style things. It offers SOME protection against a military style blaster, but not much. Not much use against Ewoks throwing rocks at them either, apparently.
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It also looks grim and menacing which counts for a lot when jackbooted thugs are busting into your house. A better Star Wars question is how do you enslave a wookie? I think I remember saying it was wookies selling them but once they get into squishy human hands you'd think it would be hard to enslave them in a large grohp what with humans being so easy to break.
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Star Wars has slave collars.
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syscall girl posted:Don't watch that show. Len posted:A better Star Wars question is how do you enslave a wookie? I think I remember saying it was wookies selling them but once they get into squishy human hands you'd think it would be hard to enslave them in a large grohp what with humans being so easy to break.
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BioEnchanted posted:Not a movie, but looking for opinions - Started watching Season 2 of Penny Dreadful - just watched episode 5 so no spoilers please, but how does everyone find the treatment of Angelique, the transwoman that Dorian starts dating? I like what they are doing so far because while most background characters notice something even if they are not aware of what, Dorian treats her like a woman through and through despite her genitalia - he never deadnames her, never misgenders her in his speech and seems so far to love her no matter how she chooses to present herself. She exists as a character so that the Penny Dreadful writers can pat themselves on the back for how accepting and progressive they are before they kill her off pointlessly for the sake of Dorian's character development and so he's free to hook up with the character who they really want him with. I did enjoy Penny Dreadful on the whole but it is not without massive issues that get worse as the series goes on.
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Tiggum posted:You can still watch the first two seasons without that bothering you though. You can even enjoy season three knowing that there's not going to be a satisfying conclusion. Vanessa Ive's arc went from pure awesome to "oh hey i got bit by Dracula, the end" I guess it's worth watching as long as you know it's going to suck at the end.
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syscall girl posted:Showtime ended it. The best part is Showtime claimed that they wanted to continue the series but it was always planned to end the way it did. No part of season 3 gives the impression that any of this is remotely true.
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I'd say just stop watching at the end of the second season and you'll get something of a resolution. I mean it'll be an open-ended and depressing ending but I still think it's more satisfying than getting to know all the new characters and plot arcs introduced in S3 and watching them get squandered.
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I enjoy the two Sherlock Holmes movies Guy Ritchie did (I think the second one does a much more entertaining job at doing broadly the same plot as the LXG movie) but one thing that sort of bugs me about the first one is how Holmes and Watson chase Lord Blackwood from the Houses of Parliament to Tower Bridge in seemingly very little time at all, when in real life they're about 2.5 miles apart and would probably take a reasonably fit person maybe half an hour to jog from one to the other at the same pace.
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Wheat Loaf posted:I enjoy the two Sherlock Holmes movies Guy Ritchie did (I think the second one does a much more entertaining job at doing broadly the same plot as the LXG movie) but one thing that sort of bugs me about the first one is how Holmes and Watson chase Lord Blackwood from the Houses of Parliament to Tower Bridge in seemingly very little time at all, when in real life they're about 2.5 miles apart and would probably take a reasonably fit person maybe half an hour to jog from one to the other at the same pace. An adult male who can't do 2.5 miles sub-20 is not reasonably fit
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Fair enough, I'm not good at estimating distances (I do most of my running on treadmills so I suppose that stands to reason), but I think they're still presented as being a lot closer than they are in real life. Anyway, another thing that bothers me slightly about the movies is that the end of the first one indicates that it was all part of Moriarty's plan to obtain an experimental radio transmitter, but then I'm pretty sure he doesn't use it at all in the sequel.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Fair enough, I'm not good at estimating distances (I do most of my running on treadmills so I suppose that stands to reason), but I think they're still presented as being a lot closer than they are in real life. Con Air did something similar in the scene where the Vegas Strip is involved. Casinos and landmarks are shown completely out of order as they pass by.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Fair enough, I'm not good at estimating distances (I do most of my running on treadmills so I suppose that stands to reason), but I think they're still presented as being a lot closer than they are in real life. 2.5 mph is a fairly leisurely walking pace that only a very out of shape person couldn't maintain for a few miles.
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Atticus_1354 posted:2.5 mph is a fairly leisurely walking pace that only a very out of shape person couldn't maintain for a few miles. That would get you from one to the other in an hour, not half an hour
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Tunicate posted:That would get you from one to the other in an hour, not half an hour Yes. I was giving him a point of reference since he said he didn't have one. So half that time would be a light jog.
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Speaking of those movies: https://youtu.be/rUUmadPI35Y Holmes made the dummy book before being tortured, so how does it have a cheeky reference to what Moriarty said while torturing him? Since that's a rationally irritating plot hole I'll add the irrational complaint that that's the wrong direction for a flip book to go.
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One other thing about the sequel is that it feels sort of like the third movie in a trilogy where the middle one is missing.
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rydiafan posted:Speaking of those movies: Because he was making a joke about the music that Moriarty had playing when they first met, because he knew the song and it was obvious Moriarty was trying to make it a THING.
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That's pretty par for the course for Sherlock Holmes stories. At least there was a kindof-valid explanation there. In the books they seem like standard mysteries until it turns out that Holmes had figured it out on page 4 because he found some mud or tobacco ashes both of which could only be sourced in one exact way, all of which the reader will not be told about until Holmes lays it all out in the end. They're fairly well written, but completely bullshit as mysteries if you want to guess along.
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Borges has a great essay on the fundamental rules of mystery fiction, The Labyrinths of the Detective Story, several of which Conan Doyle breaks in his Holmes stories. Page 112 for those interested: https://libraryofbabel.info/Borges/Borges-SelectedNonFictions.pdf
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Fil5000 posted:I think I read somewhere that his face was covered with so many prosthetics that actually speaking or emoting was impossible. Wayne Pygram's probably used to all that from playing Scorpius on Farscape, though.
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Powaqoatse posted:That's pretty par for the course for Sherlock Holmes stories. At least there was a kindof-valid explanation there. In the books they seem like standard mysteries until it turns out that Holmes had figured it out on page 4 because he found some mud or tobacco ashes both of which could only be sourced in one exact way, all of which the reader will not be told about until Holmes lays it all out in the end. They're fairly well written, but completely bullshit as mysteries if you want to guess along. You're not supposed to be able to guess along. They were never whodunnits like Agatha Christie's books, they were always about watching Holmes and his methods rather than doing it yourself. They're detective novels, which are about the detective more than about the crime.
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Gordon Shumway posted:Wayne Pygram's probably used to all that from playing Scorpius on Farscape, though. Oh my god
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dordreff posted:You're not supposed to be able to guess along. They were never whodunnits like Agatha Christie's books, they were always about watching Holmes and his methods rather than doing it yourself. They're detective novels, which are about the detective more than about the crime. Sure the character is important. If the character was boring I wouldn't read the book, but if all he does (detectivewise) is pull a rabbit out of a hat it gets boring after you've read 2 or 3 of them. You just know he'll be alternately plussed and nonplussed and he'll possibly hem and haw for a bit but then in the final moment, he'll mention that he knew the solution all along. That's no fun. It can work for stand-alone stories, but not for a series. As I'm pretty sure Borges says, we read this poo poo to guess along with the detective. At least I do.
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One thing that irritates me about the Coppola Dracula movie is how Oldman starts sounding (and, granted, behaving) like Pepé Le Pew in all his scenes with Wynona Ryder.
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Wheat Loaf posted:One thing that irritates me about the Coppola Dracula movie is how Oldman starts sounding (and, granted, behaving) like Pepé Le Pew in all his scenes with Wynona Ryder. He's also a wolf, sometimes. But the red muscle armor and his wife's death are amazing.
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His accent is actually clearly eastern european and not very french at all  The behavior is classic vampirism, I can't vouch for it.
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It's really like a Hammer film with a Hollywood budget. It's a great-looking movie. I reckon it must be the movie - a year after Silence of the Lambs - where Hopkins decided, "Right, I've got my Oscar, time to have some fun." Wheat Loaf has a new favorite as of 03:15 on Dec 31, 2016 |
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To be honest, if I was Coppola I too would put just a little bit of breast in all of my movies Artistically, though.
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Powaqoatse posted:Sure the character is important. If the character was boring I wouldn't read the book, but if all he does (detectivewise) is pull a rabbit out of a hat it gets boring after you've read 2 or 3 of them. You just know he'll be alternately plussed and nonplussed and he'll possibly hem and haw for a bit but then in the final moment, he'll mention that he knew the solution all along. That's no fun. I agree with dordreff on this one, dude. You (and I guess this Borges guy) are applying completely the wrong set of standards for what the Sherlock Holmes stories even are. Holmes kinda predates mystery fiction as we understand it today and isn't really part of it; it only looks like it superficially because it involves a detective and a mysterious occurrence he's trying to solve. The opening of each story sets up that Holmes notices details nobody else does, so the reader is wondering what detail Holmes noticed this time to get his conclusion (usually tobacco ash or soil tbh Doyle loved those as clues). It's fine if you don't think that's entertaining (tbf the short stories get tiring if you read them without like a week's break in between), but to say it's broken because it doesn't meet modern mystery story conventions is like saying Charlie Chaplin movies blow because they fail to meet modern kung fu movie conventions.
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Phanatic posted:Man, the uncanny valley is on display in Rogue One something fierce. Peter Cushing died over 20 years ago, can't you just hire an actor who sort of resembles him and just expect the audience to know it's the same character? Yeah, and the frequent close ups, especially Princess Leia in a well lit location, was almost like the effects guys were saying, "Look at it! Look upon this thing we have created, that looks and talks like a man!"
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Mr. Belpit posted:I agree with dordreff on this one, dude. You (and I guess this Borges guy) are applying completely the wrong set of standards for what the Sherlock Holmes stories even are. Holmes kinda predates mystery fiction as we understand it today and isn't really part of it; it only looks like it superficially because it involves a detective and a mysterious occurrence he's trying to solve. The opening of each story sets up that Holmes notices details nobody else does, so the reader is wondering what detail Holmes noticed this time to get his conclusion (usually tobacco ash or soil tbh Doyle loved those as clues). I actually think they're fine and entertaining stories, but they're so supremely lovely detective stories and after you've read one or two, you've read them all You mention the reader wondering what Holmes has noticed on the crime scene – could it be the leaves having dew from a different country on them? Or possibly the grave never having been dug? Who the hell knows! We sure as hell don't know because there's no clue until Sherlock tells us about the goddamned burned paper that could only have been from an Egyptian papyrus. If the reader had known that there was weird paper ash, I'd be cool with it.
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I always hated that in Dirty Dancing, a 60's period piece, the big final dance is choreographed and set to a cheesy 90's song. Like I don't mind anachronistic music (ie Bowie in Inglourious Basterds) but what the hell was the point of setting a dance movie in the 60's then going full power ballad? (I'm sure the answer is "some of that sweet sweet soundtrack money") but I hate it and I argue with the gf every time it's on. For the record I liked Moulin Rouge but that was soon it's own weird thing from the start. gently caress Pan though
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