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jokes posted:You're talking about a blower card? Evga 1070 SC edit: i think the card is as cool as it is because of my front 140 mm fan blowing over it AEMINAL fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 23, 2016 |
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My next conclusion on my system instability woes--and you notice I don't call it a "final conclusion"--is that this video card really can't keep up. After the power supply and motherboard changes, my old GeForce 660Ti works fine. This Sapphire Radeon RX480 is no-go under any voltage/power/frequency changes. What did make it stable is reducing the PCI-e configuration from 3rd-generation to 2nd-generation. I think it really does come down to the interface between the card, the riser, and the motherboard. It is quite possible that the previous motherboard couldn't handle it too, but the new one did work better. I'm now seeing all the complaints about overvolting with the RX 480. I can't request a refund from NewEgg anymore--just a replacement--so I'll see if another one actually makes it any better.
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Just started getting parts for my first SFF build. Got the Maximus VIII Impact and it's almost quaint how small the motherboard is. That and the Corsair SF450. They're adorable.
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Raijintek has a new ITX case that seems to be decently ITX sized. Whether the layout is actually any good remains to be seen.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Raijintek has a new ITX case that seems to be decently ITX sized. They called it Metis? Oh dear. I guess outside of SA the name doesn't mean as much.
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Lungboy posted:They called it Metis? Oh dear. I guess outside of SA the name doesn't mean as much. Metis makes it easy to swap components back and forth
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The old Metis was a sweet case that was fatally flawed by having no ventilation for the video card. This case should be pretty popular since it's very cheap, small and supports a 120mm radiator.
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Lungboy posted:They called it Metis? Oh dear. I guess outside of SA the name doesn't mean as much. The smiley doesn't seem to exist anymore... even SA has forgotten...
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/10947/zotac-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-for-miniitx-pcs Well hopefully this is awesome. I kind of want to jam this into an S4 Mini.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:My next conclusion on my system instability woes--and you notice I don't call it a "final conclusion"--is that this video card really can't keep up. After the power supply and motherboard changes, my old GeForce 660Ti works fine. This Sapphire Radeon RX480 is no-go under any voltage/power/frequency changes. What did make it stable is reducing the PCI-e configuration from 3rd-generation to 2nd-generation. I think it really does come down to the interface between the card, the riser, and the motherboard. It is quite possible that the previous motherboard couldn't handle it too, but the new one did work better. I'm now seeing all the complaints about overvolting with the RX 480. I can't request a refund from NewEgg anymore--just a replacement--so I'll see if another one actually makes it any better.
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:My next conclusion on my system instability woes--and you notice I don't call it a "final conclusion"--is that this video card really can't keep up. After the power supply and motherboard changes, my old GeForce 660Ti works fine. This Sapphire Radeon RX480 is no-go under any voltage/power/frequency changes. What did make it stable is reducing the PCI-e configuration from 3rd-generation to 2nd-generation. I think it really does come down to the interface between the card, the riser, and the motherboard. It is quite possible that the previous motherboard couldn't handle it too, but the new one did work better. I'm now seeing all the complaints about overvolting with the RX 480. I can't request a refund from NewEgg anymore--just a replacement--so I'll see if another one actually makes it any better. I just went through the same bullshit with a XFX RX 480 with a Seasonic 530w that should have been able to run the thing. Ended up sending that card back to Newegg (newegg sucks now). Ended up having to purchase an EVGA 700w PSU with a single 12v rail. The XFX card was unreal loud at load and I couldn't stand it regardless of the blackscreen unstability issues. Got the ASUS ROG STRIX RX 480 and this one is far far better. Quiet at any load. But more interestingly comes with an 8 pin power connector instead of a 6pin like everything else. I am stable at this point but the power requirements are NOT ~150w like reviews say. More like 300 in my estimation.
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VulgarandStupid posted:http://www.anandtech.com/show/10947/zotac-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-for-miniitx-pcs That is hot, it even has a backplate so you wouldn't need the insulating tape that someone here took exception to. I might snag that for my S4 mini whenever I get it, assuming AMD doesn't geta 490 out by then.
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Zero VGS posted:That is hot, it even has a backplate so you wouldn't need the insulating tape that someone here took exception to. I might snag that for my S4 mini whenever I get it, assuming AMD doesn't geta 490 out by then. Just checked the KillAWatt on my system since I switched to a 1080 from a 980Ti. With my 5775C (65W) and EVGA ACX3.0 1080, I'm maxing at 280W while playing BF1.
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Ceros_X posted:Have you tried running the RX 480 directly attached to the mobo with no risers or extenders? (Pull the mobo out of the case if needed) If that works, look at getting a shielded riser cable like the HDPlex one. Sounds like an improperly shielded cable to me. The RX480 was stable directly-connected. The Silverstone riser isn't even cable; it's actually two little boards with a little bit electronics to help condition it--as far as I can tell. I had two sets of them I couldn't finagle a working combination. I ended up sending the video card back after switching to a different motherboard and a stronger power supply. Unfortunately, I could only get a replacement, not a refund, so I might be back at square one.
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Dec 31, 2016 22:27
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VulgarandStupid posted:http://www.anandtech.com/show/10947/zotac-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-for-miniitx-pcs Good on them, hope more follow. It's something I've mused about around here before but I still wonder how good blower-style cooler could be made if someone really wanted to have a go at it.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Good on them, hope more follow. Zero VGS posted:That is hot, it even has a backplate so you wouldn't need the insulating tape that someone here took exception to. I might snag that for my S4 mini whenever I get it, assuming AMD doesn't geta 490 out by then. Ugh, I just did some digging. According to Zotac's website, the 1070 Mini (and probably the 1080 Mini) is 210mm long, while the length of an ITX motherboard is 170mm. So that cooler extends 4cm longer than the board. I can't tell if that will fit in the S4 mini.
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What's the default replacement for the Intel stock cooler in a SFF Mini-ITX PC? Looking for something cheap which will cool an ancient 73W i3 that's being repurposed to run some kind of Linux on my TV. Something like this would do. Emphasis on quietness, rather than performance: 
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VulgarandStupid posted:Just checked the KillAWatt on my system since I switched to a 1080 from a 980Ti. With my 5775C (65W) and EVGA ACX3.0 1080, I'm maxing at 280W while playing BF1. Do you know what wattage you were pulling back on your 980ti?
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Coredump posted:Do you know what wattage you were pulling back on your 980ti? About 350W playing Dark Souls 3.
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I'm looking to put together some custom cables for my SX600-G so as to eliminate a bunch of ugly useless cabling from my Ncase M1 and maybe even get some airflow. Are there any good resources on how to do this without destroying my computer and burning down my house?
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If any of you have old parts you want to repurpose into a low power SFF system, there's a liquidator on eBay right now clearing out a few hundred Intel DH61AG and DQ77KB thin mini ITX boards. I was able to knock off $10 using make an offer but YMMV.
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I'm in the process of gathering parts for a new NAS/VM host build. It will likely be an i5 6500, in a Fractal Node 304 case, with at least 5x HDD + an SSD. Whilst I've found a few mITX motherboards which have 6x SATA ports (e.g. the ASRock C236 WSI or Gigabyte GA-B150N-GSM), the prices are high and the selection is limited. Would I be better off getting a motherboard with less built-in SATA ports, and then buy a separate SATA controller card?
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Zartans Lady Mask posted:I'm in the process of gathering parts for a new NAS/VM host build. It will likely be an i5 6500, in a Fractal Node 304 case, with at least 5x HDD + an SSD. ASRock's upcoming Z270M-ITX/ac will have six SATA ports and a m.2 socket for an SSD. 
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Zartans Lady Mask posted:I'm in the process of gathering parts for a new NAS/VM host build. It will likely be an i5 6500, in a Fractal Node 304 case, with at least 5x HDD + an SSD. http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5552#sp 6x SATA + 1x M.2 connectors. $114 on Newegg. It's even a dual-LAN model, which might be useful for a file server. I don't think cheap mobo + PCI-E SATA controller is going to save you much money, at least not enough to be worth the hassle. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 00:01 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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NihilCredo posted:http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5552#sp
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japtor posted:I have that board, one thing to keep in mind is the orientation of the SATA ports. Most are on the edge facing sideways (parallel to the board), so if things are tight in front that might be an issue, like if the drives are placed right there. In my Ncase the PSU is right up against the ports so they're useless. Good point. Judging by pictures of a Node 304, assuming he gets a full-size PSU, it would be a really tight fit. Angled cables could help but may not be enough. On the other side, if he gets a SFX power supply, then he'd have plenty of space. I can say I have the ASRock Z170 Gaming which actually does have 6 perpendicular SATA ports (plus M.2), but it's a little more expensive and would be a bit of a waste for a NAS. Edit: by sheer coincidence the picture I linked features another 6-perpendicular-port mobo  . The article doesn't say what it is, but it's a 1155 DDR3 model apparently made by Zotac - didn't even know they made mobos.
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For an SFX PSU you'd want to make sure you'd have enough to support 6 drives. The Corsair models have 4 SATA plugs on a chain so you'd need two (only comes with 1), which is all of the available connections for the peripheral/SATA. If you're using the default fan controller in a Node 304 you don't have a molex connector left on the PSU. I suppose you could run a fan controller off a SATA connection but more expense there. I'd go with a smaller 140mm ATX supply.
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Dr Cheeto posted:I'm looking to put together some custom cables for my SX600-G so as to eliminate a bunch of ugly useless cabling from my Ncase M1 and maybe even get some airflow. Are there any good resources on how to do this without destroying my computer and burning down my house? CableMod?
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I was looking to do it myself but that looks like a great option as well.
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Dr Cheeto posted:I was looking to do it myself but that looks like a great option as well. Well, in that case, just searching for "DIY cable sleeving" will get you a bunch of hits, including instructions. You can buy the supplies from places like this, for example: https://mainframecustom.com/product-category/cable-sleeving/ (Disclaimer: I've not used that site in particular, so cannot vouch for them.) You can save a fair bit of money compared to using cablemod (assuming you don't value your free time), and can get the exact length (IIRC cablemod does things in 5cm increments).
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big time bisexual posted:ASRock's upcoming Z270M-ITX/ac will have six SATA ports and a m.2 socket for an SSD. NihilCredo posted:http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5552#sp Thanks for the help guys, and for the info re: PSU/motherboard spacing - this has been very useful!
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Rocko Bonaparte posted:The RX480 was stable directly-connected. The Silverstone riser isn't even cable; it's actually two little boards with a little bit electronics to help condition it--as far as I can tell. I had two sets of them I couldn't finagle a working combination. I ended up sending the video card back after switching to a different motherboard and a stronger power supply. Unfortunately, I could only get a replacement, not a refund, so I might be back at square one. Risers / cables are super sensitive to cross talk - I'm going to blame the the riser. I would suggest looking at HDPlex's silicone PCI-E 3.0 cable, or if that is not long enough I am using a cable from a Taiwanese company called LiHeat. Both of them are shielded and very well recommend.
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Ceros_X posted:Risers / cables are super sensitive to cross talk - I'm going to blame the the riser. I would suggest looking at HDPlex's silicone PCI-E 3.0 cable, or if that is not long enough I am using a cable from a Taiwanese company called LiHeat. Both of them are shielded and very well recommend. I really only need, like, 2 inches of cable. I imagine that the shorter the cable, the less risk of any cross-talk at all. They're just this. One takes it 90 degrees and the other extends it.
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The Sentry will be starting its indiegogo soon, in about 6 days. I'm interested to see the price they are asking, previously they said it should be about $210. The Dan Case A4-SFX should be shipping soon from the Kickstarter, and supposedly overclockers.co.uk should be selling some extras, once the Kickstarter one's ship. Also, CES is going on now. I'm really hoping we see a Z270 ITX mobo that has two m.2 slots on it.
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VulgarandStupid posted:Also, CES is going on now. I'm really hoping we see a Z270 ITX mobo that has two m.2 slots on it. Asus' newly announced Strix Z270I Gaming claims to have just that.
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Speaking of unique features, the new crop of Z270 boards finally brought out a mini-ITX board with Thunderbolt 3: the unfortunately Fatal1ty branded ASRock Z270 Gaming-ITX/ac. Gigabyte's previous GA-Z170N Gaming 5 also had Alpine Ridge on board but they never had it certified for use with Thunderbolt for some reason, just USB 3.1 Gen 2.
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big time bisexual posted:Speaking of unique features, the new crop of Z270 boards finally brought out a mini-ITX board with Thunderbolt 3: the unfortunately Fatal1ty branded ASRock Z270 Gaming-ITX/ac. Gigabyte's previous GA-Z170N Gaming 5 also had Alpine Ridge on board but they never had it certified for use with Thunderbolt for some reason, just USB 3.1 Gen 2. I got confused by it before, but Fatality in the case refers to a low latency mouse port, not the lovely brand of NIC (killer). The board is a slam dunk. Zero VGS fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Why aren't these next gen Mini ITX boards using SODIMMS? Only that one Asrock mobo is doing it. It makes perfect sense.
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Lolcano Eruption posted:Why aren't these next gen Mini ITX boards using SODIMMS? Only that one Asrock mobo is doing it. It makes perfect sense. They don't really save space and they are slower. Regular sticks are inserted vertically while sodimms lay flat. Also they are limited to 2133.
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