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Sex Tragedy posted:Anyone else think BOTW is a retelling of Zelda 1? I thought it might be at first but I'm p sure that's been (vaguely) denied.
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a.lo posted:who knows what timeline it lands on Phimosissy posted:I thought it might be at first but I'm p sure that's been (vaguely) denied. I really think the way you are given a wooden sword by a man in a cave in both games is a dead giveaway.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:24
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greatn posted:How so? It tries to create a massive world by doing the RPG overworld thing but it ends up being as boring and empty as said RPG overworlds with nothing to do until you find yourself in an instanced battle/town/cave/temple: the overworld is just plan boring to navigate and the battles become incredibly annoying after a while when you're just trying to get poo poo done. The upgrade system is absolutely terrible. It also looks like poo poo with bad sprite work. Combat is pretty bad and it makes the already hard game frustrating. Decent soundtrack though. Zelda II is ambitious and tries a bunch of new things but doesn't do any of them well.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:26
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Sex Tragedy posted:I really think the way you are given a wooden sword by a man in a cave in both games is a dead giveaway. That's more an homage just by itself. Without further evidence of sameness. There are an awful lot of things that happen in many zelda games.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:28
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BotW is clearly trying to evoke Zelda 1 but I doubt it's going to be a straight repeat, not in the least because Zelda 1 does have an existing backstory that doesn't match up with what we know of BotW.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:29
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s.i.r.e. posted:Decent soundtrack though. Good songs. Also it did a lot of things pretty well, and adding magic was among them. Being able to have fairy set to cast with a button press if you fell in a pit was pretty great, for example.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:30
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Phimosissy posted:That's more an homage just by itself. Without further evidence of sameness. There are an awful lot of things that happen in many zelda games. My theory is that there'll be some bard who uses the digital technology we see in BOTW to chronicle Link's journey, and that's what we know of as the LOZ cart. Like I fully expect someone to show you the old 8-bit sprite and be like "This is how the world will remember you."
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Jan 1, 2017 05:31
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Tender Bender posted:Twilight Princess already did that, once the new shine wore off it was pretty poorly regarded until Skyward Sword came out and people couldn't deal with the controls and decided they liked TP after all. It took awhile for that shine to wear off though. People were thrilled with the game, going so far as to say it was the game to unseat a then decade old OoT as The Best Zelda™. It's impossible to pinpoint when fan opinion absorbed the narrative that Twilight Princess is bad (anecdotally, my first encounter with anything decrying TP was in 2013), but there was a long honeymoon period for it. Skyward Sword, on the other hand, was divisive out the gate. If people didn't hate the motion controls, they hated Fi, or the small areas being retread constantly, or the glitches, etc. Don't get me wrong, I don't think either game is bad (despite TP being my favorite, I do think SS is the better game and has more fixable flaws), but until 2014 we were sitting in a situation where the last two major Zelda titles were viewed as lacking by many fans. In the months leading up to E3, I was pondering whether or not TLoZ was still a top tier franchise in the era of Dark Souls, Witcher, and Skyrim. Breath of the Wild absolutely reversed that for me. a.lo posted:who knows what timeline it lands on It's a convergence of the three timelines.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:32
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also the old man in BOTW doesn't give you a sword, and isn't in a cave. his deisgn is just a reference. i would say all of the allusions are more to evoke the feeling of the original, and how unique it was at the time.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:33
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youcallthatatwist posted:also the old man in BOTW doesn't give you a sword, and isn't in a cave. his deisgn is just a reference. i would say all of the allusions are more to evoke the feeling of the original, and how unique it was at the time. If you watch gameplay from the opening there's a stick placed directly in Link's path by the old man, and he's in a very small cave.
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Jan 1, 2017 05:39
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I don't think it's a stealth-remake or anything, but since the first teaser they've been very open about translating Z1's openness to 3D being their major aim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vga0QYSOuIc Motto fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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Jan 1, 2017 05:39
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The combat in Zelda 2 is great. The controls are responsive and increasing your skill level is rewarding.
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greatn posted:The combat in Zelda 2 is great. The controls are responsive and increasing your skill level is rewarding. i think my main problem with zelda 2, then, was that my skill level never increased
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Jan 1, 2017 05:48
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Sex Tragedy posted:If you watch gameplay from the opening there's a stick placed directly in Link's path by the old man, and he's in a very small cave. in that same video they discussed that the intro is supposed to be a reversal of zelda 1's. Link starts in a cave and emerges into a clearing instead of starting in a clearing and descending into a cave. there's no old man in link's cave. i guess this is a dumb thing to argue about, but my point is the references are meant to communicate "we're trying to reinvent zelda" more than "this is a literal remake of zelda 1"
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Jan 1, 2017 05:53
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greatn posted:Zelda 2 is a solid all around game. It's straightforward, has enough hints to tell you where to go, but is difficult. The only real problem with it is the massive difficulty curve upwards once you get the flute. Agreed, I think Zelda 2 deserves a bit more credit for being the stepping stone that it is between Legend of Zelda and Link to the Past. It had pretty solid hint-giving for the exploration stuff (though the later dungeons are pretty nuts and time consuming), and the resource spending decisions you had to make on a per-screen basis is something I enjoyed which kinda faded away as the series went on (LttP has hints of it but the combat being easier lets you avoid decisions like that most of the time). Nickoten fucked around with this message at 06:40 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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Jan 1, 2017 06:37
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greatn posted:The combat in Zelda 2 is great. The controls are responsive and increasing your skill level is rewarding. It reminds me of if a certain other game was a 2D side scroller. 
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Jan 1, 2017 06:58
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Phimosissy posted:Zelda II holds up pretty well compared to most NES games. It certainly has flaws, but there's a lot of good there too. Way above dumpster fire level. "Compared to most NES games." NES games are pretty trash. There's only a few good ones and even with those you'll just end up wishing you were playing it's equivalent on SNES or later.
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Jan 1, 2017 07:54
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SeANMcBAY posted:It reminds me of if a certain other game was a 2D side scroller. It's no La-Mulana, though
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Jan 1, 2017 07:59
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Zelda 2 is hard. Easily the hardest Zelda and it's not even close. Well, except the end boss. There is is the easiest. You also get to kiss Zelda when you win. Zelda 2 is top tier.
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Jan 1, 2017 09:41
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It's weird how in Zelda 2 you're the same Link from Zelda 1 but it's a different Zelda between the two games. Zelda connectivity was confusing from the beginning.
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Jan 1, 2017 09:51
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Link was a player back then. The player is link. Dizzam!
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Jan 1, 2017 10:35
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SeANMcBAY posted:It's weird how in Zelda 2 you're the same Link from Zelda 1 but it's a different Zelda between the two games. Not only that, but this Zelda is apparently the origin of the name Zelda, supposedly, since her brother, the most likely ancestor of the Zelda 1 Zelda decreed all daughters of the royal family be named after his sister, just because Nintendo was stuck having to name someone Zelda and attach a legend to her. I hope Breath of the Wild is the Zelda 2 prequel we all deserve. I wonder how big the time difference was between Zelda 1 and 2, and what the heck happened to the other Zelda. Presumably she's having a hard time reviving her dead kingdom considering its lack of inhabitants and villages. Zelda games are weird.
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andipossess posted:Not only that, but this Zelda is apparently the origin of the name Zelda, supposedly, since her brother, the most likely ancestor of the Zelda 1 Zelda decreed all daughters of the royal family be named after his sister, just because Nintendo was stuck having to name someone Zelda and attach a legend to her. I hope Breath of the Wild is the Zelda 2 prequel we all deserve. Going from zero villages to like seven in a generation is pretty decent.
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Jan 1, 2017 14:25
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greatn posted:Going from zero villages to like seven in a generation is pretty decent. Actually, it's generally implied that the overworld from Zelda 1 is part of the world depicted in Adventure of Link; the part of the overworld just south of Death Mountain, specifically. It's got the same geography, just immensely downsized. Cleretic fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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Jan 1, 2017 14:49
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The combat in Zelda 2 just feels good. There's just something about a nice timed jump/slash on an Iron Knuckle that works.
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Jan 1, 2017 14:55
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Zelda 2 doesn't get good until you get the downstab. Then that poo poo is majestic.
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Jan 1, 2017 15:55
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There are no bad mainline Zeldas.
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MokBa posted:Zelda 2 doesn't get good until you get the downstab. I hear a lot about the down stab and it certainly helped me kill Pos, but I ended up using the jump slash instead to kill most enemies until the end of the game. Maybe I wasn't doing it right?
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Jan 1, 2017 16:13
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The jump slash is certainly more useful. But the downstab is goddamn satisfying.
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Jan 1, 2017 16:29
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The boss of the third palace w/ the down stab is a top 5 Zelda boss fight IMO.
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Downthrust
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Upthrust is also fun.
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Waltzing Along posted:No voices? Seriously? Wow. I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took a repetitive voice line in the knee.
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TFRazorsaw posted:There are no bad mainline Zeldas. Even the spinoffs are good. Crossbow Training is underrated.
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greatn posted:Upthrust is also fun. Yeah, I hear your mom's a big fan of it too.
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Jan 2, 2017 00:07
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Cleretic posted:Actually, it's generally implied that the overworld from Zelda 1 is part of the world depicted in Adventure of Link; the part of the overworld just south of Death Mountain, specifically. It's got the same geography, just immensely downsized. Blew my mind when I first realized that.  EDIT - Found this while looking for that pic. Interesting idea, but they're probably reading way too much into that map. 
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Jan 2, 2017 01:12
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This is interesting in that the Zelda 1 being downsized Zelda 2 is totally confirmed, I didn't even think there was a Zelda 2 overworld but I don't think I ever had the manual to look at it. Also, it's also interesting that Zelda basically just takes place in a large inhospitable area where only hermits and poo poo live while all of the rest of civilization said "gently caress that place."
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Jan 2, 2017 01:24
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Sam Faust posted:Yeah, I hear your mom's a big fan of it too. i finally understand your avatar and i approve. going through it with my little bro and a friend, fun fun!!!
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Jan 2, 2017 01:36
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Is this art from Nintendo Power? Those buildings really remind me of the Castlevania 2 map I saw.
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Perry Normal posted:Blew my mind when I first realized that. 
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