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Uh, why, do you guys have a feud going on or something?  I wish you a happy and blessed new year, everybody! I just got the news on my phone that 2017 starts right off the bat with a bad terror attack in Istanbul, let's hope this year brings at least a bit more peace into a world that bitterly need it 
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I went to an Episcopal service this evening with my brother and his family. They're Haitian (his biological father is Taiwanese) and it was a special celebration marking Haiti's independence. I got to eat traditional Independence Day soup! Really nice folks.
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Cythereal posted:*strips out all the liturgy and tradition* http://www.sbc.net/aboutus/basicbeliefs.asp uhhhhhhhhhh Lutha Mahtin fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Jan 1, 2017 |
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I've never actually looked at that.  I'm either a bad Baptist or a very good one, and frankly I'm not sure where the difference lies.
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Want to see my fursona? I am not kidding that is my fursona, Christianity thread.
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Stop stealing the villains from my tabletop campaign for your perverted fantasies.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Stop stealing the villains from my
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this current line of conversation is wonderful and i love you all, happy secular new year. this thread has been a really important place for me these past couple of years and i'm really grateful to have it and all of you in my life. God grant you all many blessings this year, and since it's still christmastide, may the mystery of the Incarnation bring all of us the redemption we need note: this post may or may not have been brought to you by generous servings of excellent south african wine
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Bel_Canto posted:this current line of conversation is wonderful and i love you all, happy secular new year. this thread has been a really important place for me these past couple of years and i'm really grateful to have it and all of you in my life. God grant you all many blessings this year, and since it's still christmastide, may the mystery of the Incarnation bring all of us the redemption we need yeah i still find myself getting grumpy about all the christmas stuff in america taking place during advent (and even before advent!!). if i had clark griswold's electricity budget i'd put up a big fuckoff display in my yard spelling out SORRY ABOUT YOUR ETHNOCENTRISM CITY LIBERALS or something equally offensive and light it up until the very moment of epiphany. why? because i'm an rear end in a top hat and a bad person, that's why no but really, this is a good thread and probably a major source of spiritual and mental health for a lot of us. it is a tiny jewel among the sea of poo poo that is the internet and popular culture in general, and (imo) many of us here should be so very thankful for it. one of my very core beliefs is to make a joyful noise unto the Lord and if i can't count the awful shitposting of all of you as such a noise, well, i don't really know what i'm even doing anymore
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I hope that you guys are all watched and cared for in the new year. I haven't been here long, but this is a very nice thread and I am glad that you've all been willing to answer my questions.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:yeah i still find myself getting grumpy about all the christmas stuff in america taking place during advent (and even before advent!!). if i had clark griswold's electricity budget i'd put up a big fuckoff display in my yard spelling out SORRY ABOUT YOUR ETHNOCENTRISM CITY LIBERALS or something equally offensive and light it up until the very moment of epiphany. why? because i'm an rear end in a top hat and a bad person, that's why An argument arose among the disciples about which of them was the shittiest poster. Jesus realized the intention of their hearts and took a troll and placed it by his side and said to them, "Whoever receives this troll in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me. For the one who is the least shittiest among all of you is the one who is the greatest."
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It is still Christmastime, so Merry Christmas to all, and a happy new year.System Metternich posted:Uh, why, do you guys have a feud going on or something? A horrible burst of violence that has not even ended yet. No sin is begotten in a vacuum, especially not today's troubles, not anywhere. Hearts are legitimately wounded and hardened and go forth to do more wounding, but the disciples of Jesus affirm that the flesh and all its concerns will wither until only the spirit of faith, hope and love remain. Bel_Canto posted:this current line of conversation is wonderful and i love you all, happy secular new year. this thread has been a really important place for me these past couple of years and i'm really grateful to have it and all of you in my life. God grant you all many blessings this year, and since it's still christmastide, may the mystery of the Incarnation bring all of us the redemption we need God bless you, too, Bel Canto. The church is a perfect gift of God, available to believers whenever they gather, even at the hour of their death. Josef bugman posted:I hope that you guys are all watched and cared for in the new year. I hope the same for you. Thank you for your questions, and the sincerity with which you've asked them. I hope the answers you've gotten have not only given you a broader perspective of other people, but I also hope it's imparted with you the conviction of a believer for all the things you feel called to do. Thirteen Orphans posted:An argument arose among the disciples about which of them was the shittiest poster. Jesus realized the intention of their hearts and took a troll and placed it by his side and said to them, "Whoever receives this troll in my name receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me. For the one who is the least shittiest among all of you is the one who is the greatest." A gospel of the Lord; praise to you, Lord Jesus Christ.
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If that's still even what we say! THEY CHANGED THE WORDS Look just because it's literally twenty years since I attended Mass doesn't mean they get to change the words. Oh and happy new year, thread 
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Isn't that 'statement' one of the reasons Jimmy Carter left the SBC? Something about objecting to the development of a creed.
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he left over this one but mostly he just called them a bunch of misogynists and peaced out
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The Phlegmatist posted:he left over this one Thank you. Also, my new favorite theological term is 'soul competency'...it would make a great title for and R and B record.
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Caufman posted:The church is a perfect gift of God, available to believers whenever they gather, even at the hour of their death.
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Also Mary, Mother of God; at least in  (If you didn't hear the first reading in Leonard Nimoy's voice you haven't played enough Civ 4)
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HEY GAL posted:what a beautiful thing to say. happy new year all, and happy Feast of the Circumcision to my catholic bros! Anyway, since this is the thing we're doing today... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH_3Q87Z40
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The Phlegmatist posted:Want to see my fursona? When u hit the jager too hard
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Josef bugman posted:I hope that you guys are all watched and cared for in the new year.
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Well I pricked my thumb and scratched my finger on a knife making dinner, so clearly there is no God or purpose to my existence or yours.
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This will be long. Sincere thanks to anyone who reads through it, and even bigger thanks to anyone who can parse out what I'm talking about and help. For most of my life, I've considered myself agnostic. I also prided myself on "knowing my mind", not having any secrets from myself, seeing the world for "what it is". Over the last few months, all of these beliefs have begun to crumble. The reasons are probably irrelevant, but I was startled to discover that almost everything I thought about who I was, why I thought the things I did, why I did the things I did, was wrong. It's a shock to discover how much your mind can lie to itself. I realized I hadn't been agnostic. I was mentally an atheist, pretty sure there wasn't anything, but that the notion of nothing was too frightening and so I hedged it and decided I was agnostic. I prided myself on being "tolerant" of religious folks, though I now realize that was a mask for condescension. In a similar way, most other things I did or how I behaved was out of defensive mechanisms, mostly because of fear I guess? I'm still not entirely certain. Need more time to think about it. I may be getting a bit off track here. In any event, as I became more open to who I really was and trying to find myself, I noticed a calling. It's very difficult to describe, but I hope some of you know the feeling I'm talking about. The feel of a summons for my spirit to return home. Before, I would have prefaced that with "This will sound lame, but" ... but I'm trying not to apologize for my thoughts. I think that you will either know what I'm talking about, or it will be impossible to describe. And also coincidences? Signs? Things that seemed to be saying, you're on the right track. The woman I've been casually dating, we had an intense talk and she said she was feeling these things too! That's just one of the signs, there have been so many. And to my agnostic self, that would have sounded like such bullshit. But ... I don't know, I don't have the right words. I hope someone knows what I'm talking about  I guess ... I'm wondering where to go from here. I don't think I'm looking for answers. I just don't even know the questions yet. Thank you for reading this.
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regulargonzalez posted:This will be long. Sincere thanks to anyone who reads through it, and even bigger thanks to anyone who can parse out what I'm talking about and help. If you're not for real having a mental health crisis you can see little things sometimes that can reinforce your spirituality. They're usually impossible to explain to another person and can be explained away by a brain scan that shows exactly which part of the fatty lump between our ears is activated by religion and spirituality. Which then gives an opening to people who believe "whatever you call it" is aliens or something. Re-up your meds if you get to that point. But that little bit of divinity I think we all experience when things are just odd is a blessing. Often it's not ominous, just a little ridonkulous. Like that plastic bag scene in American Beauty. It's pure schlock but it's also really enjoyable (but hard to share) Also I don't think it's a thing you can pursue, it'll just come to you. welp that's my weird thought
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HEY GAL posted:oh look, apostasy Bone chilling. I don't know Reno or his work, but why is a religious conservative ever prepared to drop the teachings of Jesus? regulargonzalez posted:This will be long. Sincere thanks to anyone who reads through it, and even bigger thanks to anyone who can parse out what I'm talking about and help. Welcome, regulargonzalez! What you have written makes sense to me, and thank you for sharing what you have genuinely realized and experienced. A spiritual journey, Christian or otherwise, does involve an inward accounting of the assumptions we have held onto, both about ourselves and the external world. The letting go of the assumptions that no longer seem true is an important and potentially disorienting step. The recognition of a call, an undeniable and persistent will to meaning in your particular life and what you can do, is another sign you are undergoing an important spiritual change. I won't claim to have any special, prophetic, or divine ability to discern what that meaning could be in your life, but I encourage and support you to develop your understanding of that call, especially in the company of those who earn your trust at that level. As a Christian, I especially encourage you to reflect seriously on love and how it has existed in your life and what it may be calling you to do. I also don't recommend you completely abandon what you learned or experienced as an atheist or an agnostic. Anyone who takes spirituality seriously will eventually have to confront that charlatanry is real and idolatry is real. Most gods are idols. Beyond the common pendulum of doubt, there are many, many forms of deception, both in the self and between people. You and I, at most, can only be truthful to the experience that we have felt, to the reality that we know. It is already a big leap of faith to commit to that level of truthfulness, but it is my testimony that this commitment is the only reasonable way to live, and any other compromise will eventually lead to nothing or things worse than nothing. Please keep in touch as you discern what is calling to you from within and what it is like. I keep all those who sincerely wonder in my prayers.
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regulargonzalez posted:I realized I hadn't been agnostic. I was mentally an atheist, pretty sure there wasn't anything, but that the notion of nothing was too frightening and so I hedged it and decided I was agnostic. I prided myself on being "tolerant" of religious folks, though I now realize that was a mask for condescension. In a similar way, most other things I did or how I behaved was out of defensive mechanisms, mostly because of fear I guess? I'm still not entirely certain. Need more time to think about it. I haven't personally had that experience, but I just spent three days with a bunch of religious sisters (think nuns), and they also talked about feeling a calling. So if you're considering looking into religion, can't hurt. Worst case scenario you'll end up being one of those smart atheists who actually know about religion. The "my whole life was a lie" thing sounds a bit drastic, I think this position will mellow a bit in time and you'll be able to have some compassion and understanding for the old you, because you also had your reasons for what you did and thought back then.
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You didn't feel the calling because the church would let you oppress people more efficiently or rebuilt the (Eastern) Roman Empire, so that's all cool and not lame. You'll find the thread welcome and informative. Also, hats and cats.
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Cats are overrated compared to the crippling lack of pig(let)s. Why aren't there more snouts and oinks outside congregational houses? All the rural parishes, please remedy this immediately. e: You Darklands enthusiasts: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3803613 Valiantman fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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Caufman posted:Bone chilling. I don't know Reno or his work, but why is a religious conservative ever prepared to drop the teachings of Jesus? Because he's a member of the "intellectual" branch of the American right who spends his time palling around with right-wing Evangelicals, and he caught the virus from them and now thinks he can reason his way out of the commands of Christ and the teaching of the Church. He's more loyal to his political allies than to the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, he's not alone: this is also true of many of our bishops, who avoid taking distinctively Catholic public positions because it would upset the Mammon-worshipping heretics with whom they forged a political alliance in the 70s. Bel_Canto fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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Bel_Canto posted:He's more loyal to his political allies than to the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, he's not alone: this is also true of Fixed it! I am joking, but when it comes right down to it most people are more in favour of their own self interests and that of the people they think will be better placed to increase it. The poor and needy have always been avoided by those who want to wield power.
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Valiantman posted:Cats are overrated compared to the crippling lack of pig(let)s. Why aren't there more snouts and oinks outside congregational houses? All the rural parishes, please remedy this immediately. My family, uh, used to keep pigs as food animals. It's hard for me to look at a pig and not see something ready to be turned into sausages, ham, bacon, sarma, and kebabs.
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Bel_Canto posted:Because he's a member of the "intellectual" branch of the American right who spends his time palling around with right-wing Evangelicals, and he caught the virus from them and now thinks he can reason his way out of the commands of Christ and the teaching of the Church. He's more loyal to his political allies than to the Catholic Church. Unfortunately, he's not alone: this is also true of many of our bishops, who avoid taking distinctively Catholic public positions because it would upset the Mammon-worshipping heretics with whom they forged a political alliance in the 70s. The conservative Catholic press has been incredibly disappointing this election- there's been a fair amount of pushback on Trump from secular establishment places like NR and it's always funny to watch some of their writers going through the 'are we the baddies' sketch over the course of the past two years, but the Catholic press has if anything doubled down on Trump.
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StashAugustine posted:The conservative Catholic press has been incredibly disappointing this election- there's been a fair amount of pushback on Trump from secular establishment places like NR and it's always funny to watch some of their writers going through the 'are we the baddies' sketch over the course of the past two years, but the Catholic press has if anything doubled down on Trump. How. The man is a walking monument of blasphemy.
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Josef bugman posted:How. The man is a walking monument of blasphemy. Better than the Evangelical Protestants. There are plenty of liberal Evangelicals if you know where to look for them, but good loving luck seeing or hearing about them in the media.
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