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Dreddout posted:Android apps are bourgeois We should unironically get rid of smart phones Luckily I grew up poor and rural so I actually know how to get around without a GPS
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I follow the smell of pies cooling on windowsills
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Jan 1, 2017 03:55
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Smart phones are incredibly useful devices that i hope everyone will one day have access to. There's something to be said for global communication in your literal pocket.
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Jan 1, 2017 04:46
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gently caress phones, and also written language we've got to go back to illiteracy, it's the only way to repair our hosed ruined minds
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Jan 1, 2017 04:57
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also maybe its because im white, but i honestly do not buy that prejudice is some stupid eternal thing, people are nice, they're just also fearful a world without prejudice & tribalism is technically possible, just merely difficult
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Jan 1, 2017 04:59
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i love my gay, ruined brain thank you very much, so im gonna keep my phone
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Larry Parrish posted:I guess what I'm saying is it's starting to bother me how apparently the only Marxists I've ever met online or in real life who don't immediately treat everyone else as The Enemy (unless they're a minimum wage worker or a union member) is old commune hippies. And those guys are weirdos I wanted to get back to this statement because I think it's worth addressing, and I wanted to organize my thoughts because you deserve a decent response. I don't think we disagree on this all that much. Rather, I feel like we have been talking past each other. I agree with you that people who care about radical politics tend to be on attack. I think this is based on selection biased. People who reject the status quo whether they are socialists, fascists, fundamentalists tend to care more about politics than the average liberal or conservative. Which leads said radicals to lash out at perceived enemies more often and more emotionally. After all, capitalism is the dominating economic system of modern society, so people happy (or secure) with it won't be thinking about changing it. The recent rise of radical politics (Or even politics that are more moderate rejections of the current establishment such as social democracy and libertarianism) is damning evidence that society is apparently failing an ever growing group of people. (Though their perceptions of the problem may be warped. My primary argument was that humans as a species are naturally predisposed to in-group out-group thinking.Which, while not a good thing, is embedded in our psyche. You seem to have experienced this phenomena with Marxists in real life. Marxist's are people after all. I'm arguing that the left shouldn't be blind to this tribalism tenancy, because the right certainly isn't. (Ex: Movement conservative, the symbolism of the fasces.) The far-right is picking up steam and building a mass-movement that liberals just can't cope with. As recent political developments have shown, at least to me. It's up to the left to bind people to a more noble goal in order to create a better world. I'm not arguing that I'm above this btw. I have my share of prejudices, (A faith healer essentially killed my Aunt, and now I want the whole practice to be criminalized) but I try to contextualize them and understand my biases in as much objectivity as I can. Rather I'm arguing that it's weird to have no prejudice. For every Fred Rogers there are a hundred Fred Phelps. I hope that will change one day, but we shouldn't be blind to today's prejudice. In a world where the status quo is cracking apart, people are now looking for a new tribe to bond to. Now obviously, you and me agree that hating people isn't good, which is why I would rather we be bound in a left-wing tribe rather than a right-wing one. Not everyone can be a white male christian, but almost everyone can work for a living, and the fraction who can't are still fundamentally human, and deserving of life, security, and fulfillment. At least in my view, that's what being a lefty is about. Now, I am not well read on the academics of Marx, nor any other leftist thinker. So this explanation is based on my observations and perceptions of modern politics. If this was covered before by some philosopher than you can feel free to point this out to me. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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rudatron posted:i love my gay, ruined brain thank you very much, so im gonna keep my phone We're shipping you off to the gulag, where you will be force fed diet coke until you die of aspartame poison. That's what you get for being a phone phreak.
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rudatron posted:Smart phones are incredibly useful devices that i hope everyone will one day have access to. There's something to be said for global communication in your literal pocket. In the absence of a government agency which controls access and makes sure fascist ideas can't be disseminated, global communication in your literal pocket is bad.
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dude, can you like, remove that giant stick from out of your rear end? i don't wanna judge or anything, but you can go too far
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im not sure criminalizing faith healing is, like, a prejudice? you're taking issue with the actual practice of faith healing
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rudatron posted:im not sure criminalizing faith healing is, like, a prejudice? you're taking issue with the actual practice of faith healing I don't know, I despise faith healers though. I will pre-judge every faith healer I meet without exceptions. I like to think my prejudice is based on something objectively bad, but most likely so did Hitler. This is why I mentioned the importance contextualizing my prejudices. Were I to have absolute power. I would ban and forbid the practice of faith healing, but I wouldn't send faith healers into death camps.
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so sort of what i want to challenge is your assumption of the 'naturalism' of tribalism - in what sense do you mean it is 'natural'? because that's a funny little word that can be used in different ways. do you mean 'natural' as in 'biological' (or, more technically, essentialist) or 'natural' as in easy? because i'd disagree with the former but agree with the later. obviously there still a lot of prejudice today, across all generations, and its not going to go away any time soon. but i don't think that's sufficient grounds for declaring it essentialist, and i think there's a good reason to declare it can't be - the boundaries of prejudice are always moving and don't really make much sense, unless you assume it's all just a product of inertia
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rudatron posted:Smart phones are incredibly useful devices that i hope everyone will one day have access to. There's something to be said for global communication in your literal pocket. for a little wakeup, if you aren't aware, ride a hood bus all the way out and back and count smartphones vs flips/bars. even lovely androids are a privilege. iphones are near absent on some lines
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https://twitter.com/BlackAutonomist/status/815425514643095552
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not a bad post at all :/
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yeah baloogan that wasn't a nice probie
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Don't care too much or you get probed.
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lf was cool because you had shitposting + effortposting, dialectically entwinedzeal posted:gently caress phones, and also written language once there was a primitivist guy in D&D who held that precise measurement was the original sin that destroyed human wellbeing he was totally unable to deal with a disabled guy explaining that without modern interventions enabled by science, his life would be hosed
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The creation of precise timekeeping has definitely enabled the worst excesses of alienation in the workplace though.
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Peel posted:once there was a primitivist guy in D&D who held that precise measurement was the original sin that destroyed human wellbeing Can't say there aren't times I feel the same way. Those loving alcohol measuring things are the worst.
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Don't care too much or you get probed. care as much as u want! just dont make me read 1000 words when you could make ur point in a tweet
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Baloogan posted:care as much as u want! just dont make me read 1000 words when you could make ur point in a tweet so if i write out a giant essay and take a screenshot and then post the screenshot as an image i should be fine right?
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Baloogan posted:care as much as u want! just dont make me read 1000 words when you could make ur point in a tweet https://twitter.com/hegelfan1/status/809450735234449408
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Darkman Fanpage posted:so if i write out a giant essay and take a screenshot and then post the screenshot as an image i should be fine right? lol yeah i have images off for another week or so
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Mane it's because I haven't been and still haven't really gotten deep into the marxist community but based on the people I know it wouldn't be hard to convince a lot of people that American capitalism doesn't work and we need to try something new
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And, furthermore, acting like everyone you meet is some kind of tribal racist or wants to be is counter productive
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Larry Parrish posted:Mane it's because I haven't been and still haven't really gotten deep into the marxist community but based on the people I know it wouldn't be hard to convince a lot of people that American capitalism doesn't work and we need to try something new being able to convince people of that requires the success of both social movements and political movements like DSA/PSL so...I'm hopeful but not holding my breath
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i hereby declare that this thread is the only true marxism and everyone else is revisionist
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namesake posted:The creation of precise timekeeping has definitely enabled the worst excesses of alienation in the workplace though. This is true, I just wish people would own it when their great idea to fix human social existence has obvious drawbacks rather than shuffling feet or bullshitting.
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Larry Parrish posted:Mane it's because I haven't been and still haven't really gotten deep into the marxist community but based on the people I know it wouldn't be hard to convince a lot of people that American capitalism doesn't work and we need to try something new If you are relatively respectful to others -- especially the majority of Americans who don't have a strong intellectual engagement or conscious commitment to Politics -- I think it's actually remarkably easy to get them to come along, or at least take a few steps down the path. It's hard work and there's a big emotional component to it as well. Of course there's no magic bullet of organization and most of this success hinges on the enormous changes to the American economy that are becoming impossible to ignore. But yeah it's a thing, to be able to sit down with some person who you have something in common with and just get them on board with something or other. The key is to do it in an organized way -- it's a lot like religious proselytizing I guess.
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Baloogan posted:care as much as u want! just dont make me read 1000 words when you could make ur point in a tweet 
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rudatron posted:so sort of what i want to challenge is your assumption of the 'naturalism' of tribalism - in what sense do you mean it is 'natural'? because that's a funny little word that can be used in different ways. do you mean 'natural' as in 'biological' (or, more technically, essentialist) or 'natural' as in easy? because i'd disagree with the former but agree with the later. obviously there still a lot of prejudice today, across all generations, and its not going to go away any time soon. but i don't think that's sufficient grounds for declaring it essentialist, and i think there's a good reason to declare it can't be - the boundaries of prejudice are always moving and don't really make much sense, unless you assume it's all just a product of inertia The Latter. Natural as in the human psyche often finds it easier to use in-group out-group thinking. Edit: Also who'd you piss of to get that red text? I liked your old av 
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im kinda in awe of that level of ire. goddamn bravo!
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lamo! im missing so much by having images off lol
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Baloogan posted:lamo! Contained within that image is a meltdown so hard, Japan is now an archipelago.
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Japan is an archipelago, now
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they have like, 6k+ little islands lol and ive simulated invading each and every loving one!!!!! rararararar
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Baloogan posted:Japan is an archipelago, now Exactly, I melted down so hard I retroactively turned it into an archipelago. It use to be a subcontinent.
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