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Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

a bone to pick posted:

He looked really bad and people who didn't notice the difference have something wrong with their brains.

theyre retarded

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Pinch Me Im Meming
Jun 26, 2005
Passengers is about a rapist but one of the nice ones.

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I would let JLaw rape me

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Rapue One (Of Star Wars)

super sweet best pal
Nov 18, 2009

Nutsngum posted:

99% of people: Wow, Tarkin was really well done. He almost looked completely real!

Insufferable internet nerds: *Farts out of own mouth for page after page

To be fair, this is loving Star Wars, one of the biggest things nerds are expected to be insufferable over.

Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

I started watching a couple half in the bags and they are alright.

Rich made a good point on R1 that the dirty secret of the Star Wars universe is that it seems really big but it's actually super small. Like this and future works will always need to have an OT character or be heavily influenced by OT elements, etc.

Granted this is really only the first crack at a side story, but I think his theory will end up being more true than not.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The EU before it got uncanoned was incestuous as hell. Everybody was related to someone else and almost every character you saw in the movies ended up, or had a short story or novel based on them. Force users were stupid powerful like Goku and arbitrary strong or weak with increasingly absurd powers. The best stories had nothing to do with the Force and the worse had Jedis, Sith or endless clones.

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

Crazyweasel posted:

I started watching a couple half in the bags and they are alright.

Rich made a good point on R1 that the dirty secret of the Star Wars universe is that it seems really big but it's actually super small. Like this and future works will always need to have an OT character or be heavily influenced by OT elements, etc.

Granted this is really only the first crack at a side story, but I think his theory will end up being more true than not.
I understand what Rich is saying but Star Wars is no smaller than any other popular setting. Star Wars is like Batman movies where they rehash so much of the same stuff because that's what people want to see. Its show business not show freebies and people want to want to see ANH over and over. I think Lord of the Rings is boring but I don't go to see those films and complain that its always about hobbits or dragons or whatever LotR is about.

Star Wars would feel bigger if you watch the shows because shows need a lot of ideas and they aren't limited by 90-120 minute run-times.

thexerox123
Aug 17, 2007

temple posted:

I understand what Rich is saying but Star Wars is no smaller than any other popular setting. Star Wars is like Batman movies where they rehash so much of the same stuff because that's what people want to see.

It's a bit more believable when the setting is a city rather than a galaxy.

Krowley
Feb 15, 2008

thexerox123 posted:

It's a bit more believable when the setting is a city rather than a galaxy.

It's just a fairly common sci-fi thing, in the sense that most sci-fi is just upscaled fantasy with spaceships. The realm is now a galaxy and the towns are individual planets, but their actual size and importance are only as big as the story demands.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

oohhboy posted:

The EU before it got uncanoned was incestuous as hell.

Just like Luke and Leia, huh?

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

temple posted:

I understand what Rich is saying but Star Wars is no smaller than any other popular setting. Star Wars is like Batman movies where they rehash so much of the same stuff because that's what people want to see. Its show business not show freebies and people want to want to see ANH over and over. I think Lord of the Rings is boring but I don't go to see those films and complain that its always about hobbits or dragons or whatever LotR is about.

Star Wars would feel bigger if you watch the shows because shows need a lot of ideas and they aren't limited by 90-120 minute run-times.

Batman is way bigger than Star Wars. Not only are there way more characters and stories, but there's also a huge tonal variance. From super silly to super grim to crazy psychedelic to realistic. Batman 66 and The Dark Knight are both equally Batman. There will never be Star Wars movies as different from each other as Batman Forever and Batman vs Superman.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
If you take away the laser swords and the iconic warmachines like AT AT and Xwings and other toys you're left with "space setting #1231". That's the issue. So they gotta cram in the deathstar and empire and sithlords and darth vader and laser swords and Xwings and tiefighters and stormtroopers 4ever or else it's not recognizable as star wars


If the new trilogy is successful, they could potentially use the characters for new adventures without the above mentioned things and the characters themselves will be the identifying "star wars" element for further sequels. But we're not there yet so they gotta sprinkle every movie with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rp0wSiQ_Nnc

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

Guy Goodbody posted:

Batman is way bigger than Star Wars. Not only are there way more characters and stories, but there's also a huge tonal variance. From super silly to super grim to crazy psychedelic to realistic. Batman 66 and The Dark Knight are both equally Batman. There will never be Star Wars movies as different from each other as Batman Forever and Batman vs Superman.
Compare Batman films not comics.

Rogue one is different than TFA and most othet star wars films. The PT and R1 added to the universe. Its like people don't appreciate the additions and just like the OT.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
Batman movies is about "batman". So you can do whatever the hell you want as long as you got Batman in there.

Star wars isn't about any one character or any one organisation or idea. It's just "space adventure time"

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

temple posted:

Compare Batman films not comics.

No. Batman is a better, stronger, deeper source for movies because it's 70+ years of comics from thousands of different writers and artists. Star Wars is three movies.

temple posted:

Rogue one is different than TFA and most othet star wars films. The PT and R1 added to the universe. Its like people don't appreciate the additions and just like the OT.

The prequels added to the universe, but like you say, the additions are going to be mostly ignored or downplayed.

Bloody Hedgehog
Dec 12, 2003

💥💥🤯💥💥
Gotta nuke something
Batman better cause he got them Bat-Nips.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

Batman better cause he got them Bat-Nips.

*camera zooms in on bat butt*

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
*Obligatory crouch shot*

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

I hope they review Assassin's Creed because holy gently caress it is a stinker.

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet

Guy Goodbody posted:

No. Batman is a better, stronger, deeper source for movies because it's 70+ years of comics from thousands of different writers and artists. Star Wars is three movies.


The prequels added to the universe, but like you say, the additions are going to be mostly ignored or downplayed.

I think we agree.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Hoping for another "gently caress you, it's January!"

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


oohhboy posted:

Trakin was fine, although I wish he was a little bit more animated and they paid more attention to micro expressions, it was a little wooden. The voice work was a little sub-par as it seem to lack menace and wasn't British enough, better work here would have done wonders doing way more than rendering more pores on the face. I am sure they could have ploughed more resources and time into it, it worked well enough.


Why did they render so many liverspots on him he doesn't have liverspots in the future. Does he get his skin treated in the next 30 minutes and look like just an austere, severe old man instead of monty burns?

dreezy
Mar 4, 2015

yeah, rip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-vP7kJheI
first video of the year and its more stupid rogue one bull

Ka0
Sep 16, 2002

:siren: :siren: :siren:
AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE
:siren: :siren: :siren:
I sincerely hope they make more rogue 1 videos.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

I hope they review Assassin's Creed because holy gently caress it is a stinker.

as a asscreed fan(sorry) how bad is it? ill probaly end up being it for cheap when it comes out. i have heard the biggest issues is it plays it way, way to seriously with no humor or lightheartedness at all. which is weird because outside a few most of the asscreed protagonists are pretty likable and have a softer side.


dreezy posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-vP7kJheI
first video of the year and its more stupid rogue one bull

i agree with it except for the "ATAT and at-st = fan service " poo poo. thats honestly their weakest point.

Quantum of Phallus
Dec 27, 2010

Dapper_Swindler posted:

as a asscreed fan(sorry) how bad is it? ill probaly end up being it for cheap when it comes out. i have heard the biggest issues is it plays it way, way to seriously with no humor or lightheartedness at all. which is weird because outside a few most of the asscreed protagonists are pretty likable and have a softer side
.

It's definitely gonna be in my bottom list of the year. I've never wanted to walk out of a film as much as this one in a long long time. There is ZERO humour throughout and the best stuff, the historical scenes, are maybe 30% of the film? The last twenty minutes feels BUTCHERED in the edit and the film just ends randomly. It is AWFUL and I'd recommend not paying any money to see it.
A real 1 star stinker.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
They double downed a bit in that last video, they start off ok if still disagreeable but start going off the cliff a couple of minutes in when he plasters over the readily available character motivations and complains about how the movie felt compared to the OT when it succeeded in it's intended effect. He again dismisses the final battle out of hand because pew pew and doesn't look at the cinematography of it compared to TFA which was far more pew pew boom face blasting with shake cam while R1 was true to the look and feel of OT.

While the first Vadar scene was entirely pointless no doubt and questionable, he didn't understand why he had to be in R1 and complains about the lack of introduction when they introduce him.

He complains there is nothing to explain what happened previously when there isn't anything to tell from previously when in fact it was meant to do the opposite by sending the story forward. The bits that are "previously" are a little vague and not straight up told to you which are acted out like Kernnic's and Galan's relationship as old friends who break apart because of their differing morality and how this connects to Jyn. They didn't focus much on Galan as the movie was about getting the plans. It was pretty clear what Galan experienced for years under the abuse of Kernnic in the same scene as the attempted rescue allowing that time to do double duty. He constantly asking for tell no show instead of the other way around.

He compares the fight scene again without explaining himself again while wistfully longing for nostalgia over actually analysing the film giving his improvements. Blunt force going through armour hurting troopers isn't unprecedented, it comes from the RoTJ. A valid complain for that fight was that they were a little bit super powered breaking the "Normalness" the characters show throughout the rest of the film.

He blasts the ATAT running straight into "MILITARY TACTICS" complaining about blowing up their own base which is mostly idyllic beaches but somehow he misses the entire point of them which was to have that oh poo poo "Tiger" moment where the heroes that the time seem to be prevailing has the tide turn when an untouchable weapon or force arrives causing them to flee. This is then reversed again as with Saving Private Ryan when the reinforcement arrives blowing up the Tiger/ATAT.

After that he attacks poo poo that is straight up nonsense to pad the score. TFA and R1 did break Mike's mind, then there is the alcohol and the purple hands.

Krinkle posted:

Why did they render so many liverspots on him he doesn't have liverspots in the future. Does he get his skin treated in the next 30 minutes and look like just an austere, severe old man instead of monty burns?
I didn't exactly rewatch the OT or compare him to a photo when I went to the theatre so I could count the spots. I was looking for "Close enough" while it was a hair short of this, going by how well received he was by the rest of the people who aren't nerding out, since it worked well enough for such a large majority you have to give them the points for it.

Unlike TFA of which I am happy to abandon, I want to rewatch R1down the line to pickup on some more of the details I might have missed although I would Fast forward parts of the first half.

oohhboy fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jan 2, 2017

Ka0
Sep 16, 2002

:siren: :siren: :siren:
AS A PROUD GAMERGATER THE ONLY THING I HATE MORE THAN WOMEN ARE GAYS AND TRANS PEOPLE
:siren: :siren: :siren:

Dapper_Swindler posted:


i agree with it except for the "ATAT and at-st = fan service " poo poo. thats honestly their weakest point.

I posit the alternative that disney wouldn't want to risk adding new hardware for the empire and just coast off tried and tested designs. On account on prequel trilogy debacle.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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dreezy posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9-vP7kJheI
first video of the year and its more stupid rogue one bull

let me tell you fanboys, they obviously wouldnt use at-ats to attack the rebels at the base in rogue one because they're non-precision all-terrain scorched earth vehicles intended for assault. jesus christ you loving fanboys

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

It's definitely gonna be in my bottom list of the year. I've never wanted to walk out of a film as much as this one in a long long time. There is ZERO humour throughout and the best stuff, the historical scenes, are maybe 30% of the film? The last twenty minutes feels BUTCHERED in the edit and the film just ends randomly. It is AWFUL and I'd recommend not paying any money to see it.
A real 1 star stinker.

that sucks. kinda hoped it would be ok. asscreed is an ok francise and could be made into an ok movie or tv show. oh well. maybe the new game that they have put actual time into will be good. syndicate was fun.


oohhboy posted:

They double downed a bit in that last video, they start off ok if still disagreeable but start going off the cliff a couple of minutes in when he plasters over the readily available character motivations and complains about how the movie felt compared to the OT when it succeeded in it's intended effect. He again dismisses the final battle out of hand because pew pew and doesn't look at the cinematography of it compared to TFA which was far more pew pew boom face blasting with shake cam while R1 was true to the look and feel of OT.

While the first Vadar scene was entirely pointless no doubt and questionable, he didn't understand why he had to be in R1 and complains about the lack of introduction when they introduce him.

He complains there is nothing to explain what happened previously when there isn't anything to tell from previously when in fact it was meant to do the opposite by sending the story forward. The bits that are "previously" are a little vague and not straight up told to you which are acted out like Kernnic's and Galan's relationship as old friends who break apart because of their differing morality and how this connects to Jyn. They didn't focus much on Galan as the movie was about getting the plans. It was pretty clear what Galan experienced for years under the abuse of Kernnic in the same scene as the attempted rescue allowing that time to do double duty. He constantly asking for tell no show instead of the other way around.

He compares the fight scene again without explaining himself again while wistfully longing for nostalgia over actually analysing the film giving his improvements. Blunt force going through armour hurting troopers isn't unprecedented, it comes from the RoTJ. A valid complain for that fight was that they were a little bit super powered breaking the "Normalness" the characters show throughout the rest of the film.

He blasts the ATAT running straight into "MILITARY TACTICS" complaining about blowing up their own base which is mostly idyllic beaches but somehow he misses the entire point of them which was to have that oh poo poo "Tiger" moment where the heroes that the time seem to be prevailing has the tide turn when an untouchable weapon or force arrives causing them to flee. This is then reversed again as with Saving Private Ryan when the reinforcement arrives blowing up the Tiger/ATAT.

After that he attacks poo poo that is straight up nonsense to pad the score. TFA and R1 did break Mike's mind, then there is the alcohol and the purple hands.



yeah pretty much. i wouldnt say i loved it. but they seem to be reaching with alot of there stuff. the we hate movies crew did a episode on rogue one that was closer to my opinion and yours.

http://www.whmpodcast.com/2016/12/whm-on-screen-rogue-one.html


Ka0 posted:

I posit the alternative that disney wouldn't want to risk adding new hardware for the empire and just coast off tried and tested designs. On account on prequel trilogy debacle.

I can agree with that.

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
I think this thread is on the verge of winding up in CineD again.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Shinjobi posted:

I think this thread is on the verge of winding up in CineD again.

probaly. someone said it on another thread but R1 was basicaly an old EU novel/comic made into a movie which was pretty much what i expected. i went in expecting meh/okish characters who would all die and bunch of empire vs rebel fighting with maybe vader loving dudes up with some cameos. and thats what i got. so i am happy.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:

Shinjobi posted:

I think this thread is on the verge of winding up in CineD again.

Is star wars ring shaped

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Dapper_Swindler posted:

that sucks. kinda hoped it would be ok. asscreed is an ok francise and could be made into an ok movie or tv show. oh well. maybe the new game that they have put actual time into will be good. syndicate was fun.


yeah pretty much. i wouldnt say i loved it. but they seem to be reaching with alot of there stuff. the we hate movies crew did a episode on rogue one that was closer to my opinion and yours.

http://www.whmpodcast.com/2016/12/whm-on-screen-rogue-one.html


I can agree with that.

The time period was closer to OT than PT so it makes more sense the technology was closer to OT. It even has the Hi-tech low tech OT look while PT looks more advanced with it's full colour holographic displays and impeccably shiny ships. R1 did add little things like the atmospheric TIE-like vehicles and the modified AT-AT(ACT), giant rear end dish, and APC, portable LMG with a backpack not too different to Predator, Force-like users who aren't jedi, They brought some ships that were in Empire at War, and Anti-armour RPG for all that did. The movie didn't jump up and down screaming look at this! New!

I really did think some of the characters would make it out alive and there was tension unlike TFA where you knew everyone would make it out, but nope, these are normal people and normal people don't get happy endings a lot of the times even if they complete the mission.

Another annoying thing was that they could hyperdrive at will despite it being dangerous thing to do which made those escapes a little cheap.

KakerMix posted:

Is star wars ring shaped

Maybe even a tasty doughnut!

Je suis fatigue
May 5, 2009

Amazing! It's a double J.O.!
I saw rogue one and a girl sitting in front of me was crying her eyes out at the end of the movie because everyone died and then got upset at her friend for not warning her ahead of time lmao

I hope we get a gently caress you it's january video those are always funny and informative because i cant keep up with every turd that gets released it's fun hearing about smurfs 3 and matt damon fights chinese demons

a bone to pick
Sep 14, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
I couldn't make it through that new video, its just Mike being defensive about his opinions for 12 minutes. Why are they making all these videos about rogue One exactly?

ceaselessfuture
Apr 9, 2005

"I'm thirty," I said. "I'm five years too old to lie to myself and call it honor."
I think their main point, which is "if Rogue One wasn't a Star Wars movie, no one would like it," is completely correct. See: John Carter.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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ceaselessfuture posted:

I think their main point, which is "if Rogue One wasn't a Star Wars movie, no one would like it," is completely correct. See: John Carter.

Problem: Rogue One is, in fact, a Star Wars movie

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Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Fojar38 posted:

Problem: Rogue One is, in fact, a Star Wars movie

And that shouldn't be what carries it.

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