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oohhboy posted:This had to happen as Vadar has been dragged through the mud so much by the prequels that you could build a mud hut out of him. You actually see Vadar gently caress poo poo up finally instead of throttling people once in a while. It was the fight he couldn't do in ANH. That's as dumb as people who say TFA needed to be a boring retread of OT plot beats in order to restore peoples' faith in the series.
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super sweet best pal posted:That's as dumb as people who say TFA needed to be a boring retread of OT plot beats in order to restore peoples' faith in the series. I feel the same way as you. I didn't really appreciate the retread in TFA as much as others, and I felt pretty much nothing watching Vader gently caress poo poo up as some sort of proof that he's still cool. He felt pretty useless to the whole story, and watching him go nuts on completely faceless rebels after everyone died seemed so strange outside of the idea that they really wanted to tie it up directly to ANH. Also, I'd argue that showing him fail to get the plans from some cannon fodder is pretty uncool. I don't think about the prequels that much in general (which is a weird thing to post in this thread, but I'm not really a RLM fan for the Plinkett stuff). They're pretty disappointing movies that I don't have any issue separating from the original good ones. I didn't go into TFA making sure they weren't gonna make the same prequel mistakes, I just wanted a good movie.
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CaptainFish posted:I feel the same way as you. I didn't really appreciate the retread in TFA as much as others, and I felt pretty much nothing watching Vader gently caress poo poo up as some sort of proof that he's still cool. He felt pretty useless to the whole story, and watching him go nuts on completely faceless rebels after everyone died seemed so strange outside of the idea that they really wanted to tie it up directly to ANH. Also, I'd argue that showing him fail to get the plans from some cannon fodder is pretty uncool.
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super sweet best pal posted:That's as dumb as people who say TFA needed to be a boring retread of OT plot beats in order to restore peoples' faith in the series. It was for Vadar no doubt. In the OT it was physically impossible for a scene like this to happen at the time or else it would have been in the opening of ANH and this discussion would be moot. Plus it was 30 seconds max of screen time of something we haven't seen before done well and not a retread you make it out to be. It's the sort of the same strange complaint people have with Trakin and Leia who in no way dominate the screen time yet are plot and thematically critical characters that needed to be carried forward. TFA did gently caress up because it was a retread of the OT that was blatantly done over the course of a whole movie. TFA didn't need to be the way it was, but JJ is a Hack Fraud who can't make good movies. temple posted:Rogue One's premise is that the Empire had won years prior and Vadar had already earned his keep. Stealing the death star plans (the entire point of rogue one) was having the germ of hope. This. Someone earlier in the thread called it the baton passing or like the Olympic torch of hope. They could have used storm troopers like ANH but now you could use Vadar as intended all those years back so why not use him. Also villains are meant to fail if you want to have a happy ending.
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oohhboy posted:Vadar Vadar I'm seething with rage.
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It's a story about wars among stars, you loving idiots.
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People want Star Wars to be a fun space adventure and fans want it to be a compendium of technical details filling every plot hole & also they want to be in the movie and kiss the princess :3
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There's a very large fraction of fans who want 1.lightsaber twirling and 2.more original trilogy property shoved in for the sake of nostalgia and having a plot written around it.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:fans want it to be a compendium of technical details filling every plot hole No, you're thinking of Star Trek. Fans did not want the Force explained as bacteria.
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WampaLord posted:No, you're thinking of Star Trek. Fans did not want the Force explained as bacteria. No, but they want to know about the rivets on a TIE Bomber.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:People want Star Wars to be a fun space adventure and fans want it to be a compendium of technical details filling every plot hole & also they want to be in the movie and kiss the princess :3 Fans will eat any poo poo put in front of them, if the Lucas Arts shovel-ware and prequels didn't kill of their love of Star Wars then up nothing will.
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Lightsaber twirling was one of the reason PT and TFA sucked.WampaLord posted:No, you're thinking of Star Trek. Fans did not want the Force explained as bacteria. Bloody Hedgehog posted:No, but they want to know about the rivets on a TIE Bomber. I heard there are books for that. But I don't look forward to the rest of the SW movies and I am not going to the theatre for it. I was pleasantly surprised by R1 but I went to see it out of social obligation when I otherwise wouldn't have. I didn't see TFA in the theatre either and I was please I didn't as it burned SW again.
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oohhboy posted:I heard there are books for that. 
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The naysayers are p. nuts!! It was a fun movie and I had no prob caring about the cast or figuring out what their personalities were. I do agree with the hack frauds about vader not aging well AT ALL and Forrest needing a boulder to smoosh his legs or something. Tarkin looked fine except for like 2 shots.
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There are things that I agree with, but some things, let me tell you, with some things I just disagree outright.
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Paladinus posted:There are things that I agree with, but some things, let me tell you, with some things I just disagree outright. You're tearing this thread apart!
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Ka0 posted:There's a very large fraction of fans who want 1.lightsaber twirling and 2.more original trilogy property shoved in for the sake of nostalgia and having a plot written around it. I'm beginning to think that it's not so much a "very large fraction of fans" so much as "99% of fans" who feel that way I haven't seen the movie yet, but I had a sneaking suspicion from the get go that the people who wrote the script did so while playing with their old Star Wars action figures and the RLM review seems to support that
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I think Mike doesn't get that overreacting to stuff is what nerds/youtube personalities do. Star Wars fans are probably older than him and couldn't give a poo poo beyond curiosity. The people you see today crying over movie trailers are just acting so they get views and youtube money (thanks to peedeepie, avgn, markiplier) Its like people that love weed so they can be the weed guy and get invited to parties. Mike is tilting at windmills.
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temple posted:I think Mike doesn't get that overreacting to stuff is what nerds/youtube personalities do. Star Wars fans are probably older than him and couldn't give a poo poo beyond curiosity. The people you see today crying over movie trailers are just acting so they get views and youtube money (thanks to peedeepie, avgn, markiplier) Its like people that love weed so they can be the weed guy and get invited to parties. Mike is tilting at windmills. It doesn't matter if they are acting for YouTube views or not they are the fans now.
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A guy didn't want to do his job so he did it crappy on purpose to get back at his boss. Isn't that the story?
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i wish mads mikkelsen had been the main character and not the lovely leads we got. felicity jones is loving terrible
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DreadLlama posted:A guy didn't want to do his job so he did it crappy on purpose to get back at his boss. Isn't that the story? you mean the guy who designed the slippery landing platform on the rainy research planet to make it so that everyone had to hang around outside for the benefit of covert infiltrators and sniper teams instead of nesting the whole shebang inside of the cliff like where the tie fighters were kept? yeah
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ashpanash posted:It's definitely a "Star Wars" something but the only adjective that should be applied to the "movie" part is "bad." The general movie going people have said its generally good though? Perhaps the issue is YOU mr internet reviewer man.
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Nutsngum posted:The general movie going people have said its generally good though? Perhaps the issue is YOU mr internet reviewer man. I can't discount that possibility. But then again, everyone was praising poo poo like: The prequel movies the matrix sequels jurassic world for months in some sort of weird afterglow before they started deciding that 'Oh, I guess I really didn't like it that much' became the much more common opinion. I'll bet good money on the consensus opinion being that Rogue One sucked in, say, 6 months. I mean, look at the last few pages, people *hate* The Force Awakens now. They loving hate it. That wasn't the general opinion when it came out. Explain that, mr internet contrarian man.
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ashpanash posted:look at the last few pages, people *hate* The Force Awakens now. They loving hate it. Umm, no?
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WampaLord posted:Umm, no? You're right - it's mostly just oohhboy who can't seem to stand the mere existence of TFA.
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ashpanash posted:You're right - it's mostly just oohhboy who can't seem to stand the mere existence of TFA. He tends to hate drat near everything, from what I've seen.
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ashpanash posted:I can't discount that possibility. But then again, everyone was praising poo poo like: You are so full of poo poo on that. Maybe you don't remember but the prequels were being universally trashed to poo poo when they came out. Phantom Menace was hated by all. gently caress, I literally did not want to see it as a kid because I thought all the space ships and stuff looked loving terrible and stupid, like neon fish. I haven't changed my opinion much on that despite it being shallow, but it did indicate EXACTLY what kind of poo poo it was going to be. People gave Reloaded credit because it was supposed to be the first half of a two part movie. The ending of Reloaded, which got really dumb other than a badass car chase, seemed to imply that there was another layer to reality, like a big plot twist. It then proceeded to just go "No Neo's magic IRL now lol" in the next movie, followed by the dumbest, shittiest battle sequence I've ever seen in my life: Big stationary robots with no torso armor standing and shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting and shooting at robot swarms that just kept flying around and not loving doing anything. We walked out of the theater asking what crack the directors took, and grumbling how stupid it was, and so was EVERYONE ELSE walking out of the theater. And Jurassic World was just pretty meh. It had some good ideas executed very poorly. The ending makes me think they're STILL going to do the CyberDinosaur weapon plot, which is hilarious because I thought they decided not to. It's only not hated by virtue of the other sequels sucking, somehow, even more. ED: Oh one more thing. Trinity's death scene in Matrix Revolutions is totally the parody death from National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon. I couldn't get that out of my head and started busting up laughing at it. - Oh yeah one other thing hilarious about the Matrix sequels (Goddamn I wish RLM would cover them sometime) is how Revolutions spent a huge amount of time with characters from tie-in games and animated movies, like a huge amount of time, and literally took the main characters from the films and stuck them in the backseat. Morpheous literally just got to sit in a chair and watch video game people do everything. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jan 2, 2017 |
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It was the jungle rave/sex scene that was the first signs of how poo poo the Matrix sequels were. Lets bro dance like jocks in a girls gone wild video, near some lava but and only just drums, even though the overtune is fully orchestrated. Lets pan over the crowd, and every 5th or 6th jump up for no reason. Matrix: Retarded and Matrix: Revulsions.
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I think the idea of it was cool. Like, humanity was getting primal and stuff again in their last moments... but the execution was very off. The sequels were just very off in general. They obviously lost some creative talent person for the sequels who was key in making the "whole" of the first matrix come together Also all the wachowski bros movies after Matrix 1 have been bad
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happyhippy posted:It was the jungle rave/sex scene that was the first signs of how poo poo the Matrix sequels were. we got to see trinitys butt so im okay with it
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Fojar38 posted:tfa was a really good movie I dont think they directed the force awakens
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Fojar38 posted:tfa was a really good movie Do you mean The First Avenger? It was an okay movie, yes.
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Blazing Ownager posted:You are so full of poo poo on that. No, I'm not. The same people vociferously defending Rogue One are the same people who couldn't admit that Matrix Reloaded was dogshit, that The Phantom Menace was a huge pile of nonsense, or who insisted that Revenge of the Sith was actually good because it was "Dark." All your examples are about *you* and your friends. You aren't who I'm talking about.
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ashpanash posted:No, I'm not. Check this out: Rogue One is good, while Matrix Reloaded is poo poo.
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Paladinus posted:Check this out: Rogue One is good, while Matrix Reloaded is poo poo. Cool. Get back to me in six months, we'll see if that opinion has changed.
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The only thing I remember from seeing TFA was the audience going "meh" when Han Solo died.
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monster on a stick posted:The only thing I remember from seeing TFA was the audience going "meh" when Han Solo died. Well I was spoiled thanks to the forums, but the scene is set up in a super obvious way, which diminishes a lot of the shock value. Also a lot of people knew that he wanted Han killed off in Empire. Plus, in TFA he's playing the role of Obi-Wan to Rey, and Obi-Wan gotta die.
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ashpanash posted:No, I'm not. It's good that you can just assume that people who disagree with you on one thing disagree with you on another thing so you can accuse them of being stupid for having opinions you made up for them ashpanash posted:Cool. Get back to me in six months, we'll see if that opinion has changed. It's good that you can just assume that people who disagree with you will inevitably eventually disagree with you, because it frees you from actually having to defend your position
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