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Toady posted:This consistent, well-documented pattern going back decades is just a conspiracy theory. Nintendo undershipped the NES Classic during the holiday season so they could reap all those sweet post christmas sales. Just imagine if they had shipped enough Animal Crossing amiibo to meet the real demand!
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Dexo posted:There is literally no point to a malicious false scarcity unless they miraculously show up with a large amount just in time to reap all the hype the shortages created "Malicious" is an odd term to use. Anyway, scarcity serves several obvious purposes, and some companies don't hide the fact that they're doing it--see the Disney Vault.
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Jan 2, 2017 23:15
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It's almost as if Nintendo is an arrogant Japanese company that doesn't believe in paying attention to their most lucrative markets demands. Imagine if they treated the US like they do Japan. Tons of special releases. Enough stock for everyone. It would be amazing. But they don't. So we get poo poo.
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Jan 2, 2017 23:17
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nintendo swore a blood feud on the us for the bombs
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Jan 2, 2017 23:19
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America's deserved punishment for electing Donald Trump
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Jan 2, 2017 23:20
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Waltzing Along posted:It's almost as if Nintendo is an arrogant Japanese company that doesn't believe in paying attention to their most lucrative markets demands. You're just mad there's no US Kirby Cafe
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Jan 2, 2017 23:42
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Guy Goodbody posted:You're just mad there's no US Kirby Cafe No that's me.
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Jan 2, 2017 23:55
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Who isn't mad there's no US Kirby Cafe?
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Jan 2, 2017 23:58
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Dr Cheeto posted:Who isn't mad there's no US Kirby Cafe? I'm not. It'd just be in New York, and I live far away from New York
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Blazing Zero posted:nintendo swore a blood feud on the us for the bombs Nintendo was the original target for the bomb.
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Jan 3, 2017 00:28
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:Nintendo undershipped the NES Classic during the holiday season so they could reap all those sweet post christmas sales. Some fans treat it as an insulting accusation, but it works as a business strategy and is a very common one. It's well-known that consumers are drawn to scarce products. Nintendo restricted NES cartridge production, causing shortages, and pulled games when interest waned. The Wii was designed to be simple and inexpensive to manufacture, yet it was difficult to find for two consecutive holiday seasons. Quantities of the Classic were extremely limited, with many retailers receiving single-digit stock, a predictable move to increase demand for the holiday season.
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Jan 3, 2017 00:54
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:Nintendo undershipped the NES Classic during the holiday season so they could reap all those sweet post christmas sales. source: my rear end!
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Toady posted:Some fans treat it as an insulting accusation, but it works as a business strategy and is a very common one. It's well-known that consumers are drawn to scarce products. Nintendo restricted NES cartridge production, causing shortages, and pulled games when interest waned. The Wii was designed to be simple and inexpensive to manufacture, yet it was difficult to find for two consecutive holiday seasons. Quantities of the Classic were extremely limited, with many retailers receiving single-digit stock, a predictable move to increase demand for the holiday season. But it's not like they shipped a ton of Classics right before Christmas. They just didn't make many. That's the problem you Nintendo Truthers keep glossing over; why would Nintendo restrict supply to artificially create demand but then not capitalize on that demand? Guy Goodbody fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 01:01
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Toady posted:Some fans treat it as an insulting accusation, but it works as a business strategy and is a very common one. It's well-known that consumers are drawn to scarce products. Nintendo restricted NES cartridge production, causing shortages, and pulled games when interest waned. The Wii was designed to be simple and inexpensive to manufacture, yet it was difficult to find for two consecutive holiday seasons. Quantities of the Classic were extremely limited, with many retailers receiving single-digit stock, a predictable move to increase demand for the holiday season. The Wii didn't sell out because it was underproduced.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:12
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Toady posted:Some fans treat it as an insulting accusation, but it works as a business strategy and is a very common one. It's well-known that consumers are drawn to scarce products. Nintendo restricted NES cartridge production, causing shortages, and pulled games when interest waned. The Wii was designed to be simple and inexpensive to manufacture, yet it was difficult to find for two consecutive holiday seasons. Quantities of the Classic were extremely limited, with many retailers receiving single-digit stock, a predictable move to increase demand for the holiday season. They then transferred that demand to Nintendo Shareholders, who very much appreciated getting all of that cold hard demand. Since that is what shareholders of toy companies really are looking forward to during Christmas. Unmet demand.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:13
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Guy Goodbody posted:But it's not like they shipped a ton of them right before Christmas. They just didn't make many. That's the problem you Nintendo Truthers keep glossing over; why would Nintendo restrict supply to artificially create demand but then not capitalize on that demand? The same reason any other company engages in manufactured scarcity. It drives demand as Nintendo gradually rolls out stock while people rush to find one before it's gone again. I'm not sure what's controversial about it.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:14
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In order for it to be a conspiracy to sell more product, they would have to sell more product.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:16
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Toady posted:The same reason any other company engages in manufactured scarcity. It drives demand as Nintendo gradually rolls out stock while people rush to find one before it's gone again. I'm not sure what's controversial about it. You're missing the part where they kept rolling out new stock, cause they didn't. They could only manage one more small shipment and now the holiday is over.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:20
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What's the chances that anyone who really wanted an NES classic got one already and anyone who had a passing interest already forgot about it?
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Jan 3, 2017 01:27
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Toady posted:The same reason any other company engages in manufactured scarcity. It drives demand as Nintendo gradually rolls out stock while people rush to find one before it's gone again. I'm not sure what's controversial about it. Care to give another example? I can't think of any case of manufactured scarcity that fits. Nintendo is no DeBeers Cartel because people can just buy some other poo poo for Christmas and the PS4 or w/e is no 'blood diamond.' The example Jim Sterling gave in particular is so freaking bad. It's easy to look at the past and go, "Well obviously this toy is going to sell well it has karate action chop and space men are in right now." but no company in their right mind is going to massively ramp up production of a toy based on the idea that it's sweet kung-fu will make it the most sold toy this Christmas. Most of the time any company dumb enough to do that will end up with warehouses full of unsold stock and unlike the Wii U, Gamecube, 3DS etc, these toys aren't going to get a bunch of cool poo poo that make people want to buy them later on.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:28
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Bongo Bill posted:In order for it to be a conspiracy to sell more product, they would have to sell more product. It's not a conspiracy. It's just a standard business tactic to drive demand while rolling out stock. Reggie Fils-Aime said this four years ago: "Wii U is essentially sold out of retail and we are doing our best to continually replenish stock. Retailers are also doing their best to get the product to store shelves. But as soon as product hits retail, they’re selling out immediately." NOA said this last November: "The Nintendo Entertainment System: NES Classic Edition system is a hot item, and we are working hard to keep up with consumer demand. There will be a steady flow of additional systems through the holiday shopping season and into the new year. Please contact your local retailers to check availability. A selection of participating retailers can be found @ http://nintendo.com/nes-classic"
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Cojawfee posted:What's the chances that anyone who really wanted an NES classic got one already and anyone who had a passing interest already forgot about it? Lots of people who really wanted an NES Classic didn't get one. You still can't actually buy one
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Jan 3, 2017 01:31
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Toady posted:It's not a conspiracy. It's just a standard business tactic to drive demand while rolling out stock. Reggie Fils-Aime said this four years ago: Both of those quotes go against your conspiracy theory. The first one Reggie says they are doing thier best to replinish stock but the Wii U just sells out immediately, and the second one says that they are working hard to keep up with demand. Neither of them say "we are limiting production to drive up demand"
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Jan 3, 2017 01:33
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Toady posted:It's not a conspiracy. It's just a standard business tactic to drive demand while rolling out stock. Reggie Fils-Aime said this four years ago: It's not standard dude. It's not standard at all. This world where any business can go "We're going to intentionally not meet demand because maybe we'll get more money later???" and not have the person who said that immediately yelled at or replaced is a fantasy. The reason other console companies aren't doing this isn't because they have a heart of gold or because they hate money. The reason digital games, including digital games on Nintendo consoles, don't have a limit of purchases per week isn't because they decide they don't want to make money on that game. There's no economic school of thought that says this is a good idea when any competition at all exists. This is the thing that isn't controversial.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:36
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Michael Pachter said that hardware manufacturing deals are made for an entire year up-front and can't be quickly changed. That's why new products are always sold out. The production rate in month 1 is the same as the production rate in month 10. If they expect to sell 12 million units in a year, the factory needs to be set up to create 1 million per month. It's not possible to front-load production, even though that's when demand is highest. The best they can do is start producing a few months before the actual release date so they have a bigger amount of stock to meet demand, but they're not gonna spend like 9 months stocking up and sitting on product that they could be selling.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:42
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Dr Cheeto posted:Who isn't mad there's no US Kirby Cafe? Why do you think US Kirby is always angry? No cafe.
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Jan 3, 2017 01:44
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seems like both sides agree that nintendo is stupid, they just cant determine in which way. so at least there is some common ground here
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Jan 3, 2017 01:46
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At least now they know they'll need to launch the SNES Classic with way more units up-front.
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greatn posted:You're missing the part where they kept rolling out new stock, cause they didn't. They could only manage one more small shipment and now the holiday is over. From what information I can find, they did ship more around mid-December. Should they have shipped more? Is it a worthwhile strategy for Nintendo to engage in? I don't know. I'm only pointing out that it's a strategy Nintendo and other companies commonly engage in. Guy Goodbody posted:Both of those quotes go against your conspiracy theory. The first one Reggie says they are doing thier best to replinish stock but the Wii U just sells out immediately, and the second one says that they are working hard to keep up with demand. That is what they say if you choose not to be obtuse. Do you believe they worked hard to keep up with NES Classic demand? Toady fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Toady posted:That is what they say if you choose not to be obtuse. Yes indeed a company that had a really hot item that was flying off the shelves purposefully chose to limit sales to RETAILERS because ??? and also, they don't like money These conspiracy theories are always amazingly stupid and if people insist that companies purposefully limit supply, especially when selling to retailers, then you're a turd that has no idea how production works
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Guy Goodbody posted:Lots of people who really wanted an NES Classic didn't get one. You still can't actually buy one They've been popping up here and there. I managed to get two - one before Christmas from Amazon Prime Now that went to my nephew, and one for me just after Christmas from Gamestop bundled with a wireless controller for an extra $20.
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Toady posted:I'm only pointing out that it's a strategy Nintendo and other companies commonly engage in. You are pointing this out by repeatedly saying it's true and quoting things that say it's not true, but really we all know that they're saying it's true, right guys? Is there a name for this supposed economic strategy? Is there an economist who tells people to do it to make the mad buxx? Can you name any of these other companies? How is this distinct from the actual normal economic strategy of 'trying hard not to over produce and sometimes getting it wrong?'
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Jan 3, 2017 01:57
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Even the stingiest "managed scarcity" strategy involves eventually opening the supply floodgates to some degree, so that you can actually reap some profits from the hype you've built. Nintendo didn't actually ever do that (and December would have been the time to do it), which means either (A) they flubbed their diabolical strategy, or (B) they genuinely didn't expect/intend to undersupply retailers this badly.
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Bass Bottles posted:Michael Pachter said that hardware manufacturing deals are made for an entire year up-front and can't be quickly changed. Michael Pachter is almost always wrong tho
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Toady posted:That is what they say if you choose not to be obtuse. Do you believe they worked hard to keep up with NES Classic demand? OK, those quotes support your theory if we assume they were lying. Do you understand why I call you a conspiracy theorist?
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Soul Glo posted:Michael Pachter is almost always wrong tho No way, Mikey is my guy He's not the best at predicting gamer behavior sometimes because he's a rich baby boomer and not a psychologist, but he knows a lot about the stuffy behind-the-scenes business portion of things.
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Guy Goodbody posted:But it's not like they shipped a ton of Classics right before Christmas. They just didn't make many. That's the problem you Nintendo Truthers keep glossing over; why would Nintendo restrict supply to artificially create demand but then not capitalize on that demand? I don't think they deliberately restrict supply. I think they are just poo poo at the US market because they don't see it as a priority. They need to put US #1 and Japan somewhere down the list and work with that mentality. Treating the US like 2nd class video game citizens just creates a lot of bad feelings towards Nintendo.
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Soul Glo posted:Michael Pachter is almost always wrong tho Michael Pachter is a man who once got angry and blamed Nintendo fans for keeping Nintendo being rightfully doomed like his projections said they should be and not because he's a glorified crystal ball gazer who's in a field that's made of pure bullshit
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