|
Happy New Year, map thread! Here's your gift, one of the worst maps I've ever seen: 
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 00:07
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 01:04 |
|
|
Where's the Caspian?
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 01:28
|
|
|
Count Roland posted:Where's the Caspian? Filled in by the Armenians in their eternal quest to stamp out poor plucky little Azerbaijan, probably
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 01:35
|
|
|
The Sin of Onan posted:Happy New Year, map thread!  Thank you for this gift. It's ... quite something.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 01:40
|
|
|
Somebody stepped on Cyprus.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 01:57
|
|
|
Count Roland posted:Where's the Caspian? See also: the Persian Gulf, the Gulf of Aqabah, the Baltic. Also note that Judaea is a broadly horizontal line, apparently encompassing Amman but not Beersheba. Also also note that whoever made the map got the colours for the key mixed up. Really, you can spot something new and wrong with it with every glance.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 02:52
|
|
|
Heh, I didn't notice the colors were mixed up.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 02:59
|
|
|
Numidia is in the completely wrong place too, and comically giant.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 05:12
|
|
Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
|
Though, to be fair, that might be what Britain looked like in the first millennium; a lot of the east coast between the Humber and Thames was marshland that has since been drained.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 20:41
|
|
|
Is it at all possible it's a composition of Roman-era maps of coastlines? So Cyprus looks like the Romans had Cyprus down on their maps? Because that's the only way that map can be salvaged.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 21:13
|
|
|
The Sin of Onan posted:Happy New Year, map thread! I actually spent a decent chunk of my winter vacation reading a work that focused pretty heavily on Roman/Persian relations regarding Armenia, and this map hurts in ways you can't comprehend.
|
|
#
?
Jan 2, 2017 21:26
|
|
|
Mainland Italy has actually been gradually rotating for the past couple millenia in a gradual motion to kick the rest of Europe in the balls, by which I mean Spain
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 02:12
|
|
|
Antti posted:Is it at all possible it's a composition of Roman-era maps of coastlines? So Cyprus looks like the Romans had Cyprus down on their maps? Because that's the only way that map can be salvaged. It's too accurate for that, and it can't be due to the coastlines because of the Essex coast (also little things like the Caspian Sea being myseriously absent.) I just noticed the map squares are wrong, too. It keeps on giving.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 05:36
|
|
|
Antti posted:Is it at all possible it's a composition of Roman-era maps of coastlines? So Cyprus looks like the Romans had Cyprus down on their maps? Because that's the only way that map can be salvaged. Nope. I work on (among other things) geomorphology in the ancient world and this is just a lovely map.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 07:44
|
|
|
Angepain posted:Mainland Italy has actually been gradually rotating for the past couple millenia in a gradual motion to kick the rest of Europe in the balls, by which I mean Spain Ummm... the balls of Europe is already strongly claimed by Finland. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 17:00
|
|
|
MeinPanzer posted:Nope. I work on (among other things) geomorphology in the ancient world and this is just a lovely map. Any maps to share on the subject? Coastlines varying over time fascinates me, though I know almost nothing about the subject.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 17:18
|
|
|
AgentF posted:Ummm... the balls of Europe is already strongly claimed by Finland.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 17:20
|
|
|
Count Roland posted:Any maps to share on the subject? Coastlines varying over time fascinates me, though I know almost nothing about the subject. I believe that the most recent edition of the Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World (the standard atlas for Graeco-Roman antiquity) incorporates some work on geomorphology into its maps, but for the most part you need to go hunting around in various specialist journals for geomorphological reconstructions. I work in Greece, so most of my knowledge pertains to its coastline; are you interested in any regions and periods in particular?
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 19:41
|
|
|
MeinPanzer posted:I believe that the most recent edition of the Barrington Atlas of the Greek and Roman World (the standard atlas for Graeco-Roman antiquity) incorporates some work on geomorphology into its maps, but for the most part you need to go hunting around in various specialist journals for geomorphological reconstructions. I work in Greece, so most of my knowledge pertains to its coastline; are you interested in any regions and periods in particular? I'm mostly interested in a geological/climatological context. Basically, today's climate is changing. Getting an idea of past changes would be most interesting. So periods or places don't matter so much. But a place that was populated, and is now under water, that would be very interesting. Especially if it was known over what time period or by what mechanism this happened (was it oceans rising, the land sinking, or something else?).
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 20:38
|
|
|
The Sin of Onan posted:Happy New Year, map thread! Among the other many issues: The double lines appear to be the borders of the provinces/kingdoms, but if so then... why don't the colors line up with them in some places? Macedonia, Thrace, and everything in Asia doesn't quite match the lines. And according to Wikipedia, while Hispania Ulterior can be translated as Further Spain, it's never referred to as Farther Spain. The map just seems weirdly... tilted up in the east. Very weirdly. How on earth does such a thing happen? I won't even call this shameful. It's too insane to feel shame.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 20:39
|
|
|
A Buttery Pastry posted:That's the balls of Fenno-scandia. Europe itself is a lady. Some ladies have balls.  e: Actually, even if you're right, she's getting hover-teabagged by Fenno-scandia. I can't decide which I'd prefer.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 20:54
|
|
|
Doc Hawkins posted:Some ladies have balls.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 20:58
|
|
|
The Sin of Onan posted:Happy New Year, map thread! Oh holy poo poo I've looked at this a half dozen times, and just realized there's no Baltic.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 21:08
|
|
|
I like how it's showing three rivers but not the Nile. Or the other two major rivers in northern Gaul/France.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 21:31
|
|
|
Count Roland posted:I'm mostly interested in a geological/climatological context. Basically, today's climate is changing. Getting an idea of past changes would be most interesting. I work on integrating environmental and economic history in ancient Greece, and over the last few years I've actually been working specifically on the impact of climate change in the ancient Graeco-Roman world. There are plenty of places around the Mediterranean that were above sea level even as recently as the later 1st millennium CE that are now underwater. Unfortunately there is no straightforward explanation for such processes; eustatic changes (those due to shifts in the actual volume of water) and isostatic changes (vertical movements in the Earth's crust) combine to affect different regions differently. There are places around the Aegean where some ancient sites will be below sea level while others only a few kilometres away are several metres above. Palaeoclimatology in the ancient Mediterranean has been rapidly developing over the last couple of decades but historians have been slow to embrace it. It's clear that our understanding of the ancient Graeco-Roman world will be changing considerably over the next few decades as more and better climatic data continues to pile up. quote:And according to Wikipedia, while Hispania Ulterior can be translated as Further Spain, it's never referred to as Farther Spain. Many, including myself, use "farther" to refer to actual physical distance and "further" to refer to metaphorical distance (i.e. "he threw the ball farther," but "I took things even further"). I always translate Hispanic Ulterior as Farther Spain.
|
|
#
?
Jan 3, 2017 23:11
|
|
|
obligatory
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 01:12
|
|
|
We form like voltron and Spain just so happens to be the head.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 01:59
|
|
|
wikipedia posted:In 1537, when the Europa regina was introduced, Holy Roman Emperor Charles V of Habsburg had united the lands of the Habsburg's in his hands, including his country of origin, Spain. Thus, the map is oriented westwards to have Spain as the crowned head, pointing at the Habsburgs' claim to be universal emperors of Europe. The most obvious connections to the Holy Roman Emperor are the Carolingian crown and the imperial insignia - sceptre and orb. Another connection to Charles V is the gown, which resembles the contemporary dress code at the Habsburg court, and the face of the queen, which some say resembles Charles V's wife Isabella.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 02:22
|
|
|
You shouldn't have angered Europe. Prepare for a paddling.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 08:05
|
|
|
Antti posted:Is it at all possible it's a composition of Roman-era maps of coastlines? So Cyprus looks like the Romans had Cyprus down on their maps? Because that's the only way that map can be salvaged. Roman maps are their own (weird, weird) thing, but they were well aware of the existence of places like the Baltic, the Caspian, and the Persian Gulf. I think it's just another part of the map's baffling incompetence at depicting literally anything. Speaking of Roman maps, here's a section of a Roman map:  Can you guess what part of the world it's supposed to be depicting (without reading the text, because that's cheating)? Schizotek posted:I actually spent a decent chunk of my winter vacation reading a work that focused pretty heavily on Roman/Persian relations regarding Armenia, and this map hurts in ways you can't comprehend. I am a classics student currently doing my Master's (and if I could do image editing at all, this is the part where I'd combine  with  , except the money would also be on fire), and while Africa is more my field than Armenia, I can assure you that I feel at least some of your pain.MeinPanzer posted:Nope. I work on (among other things) geomorphology in the ancient world and this is just a lovely map. That sounds fascinating. Do tell 
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 08:52
|
|
|
The Sin of Onan posted:Roman maps are their own (weird, weird) thing, but they were well aware of the existence of places like the Baltic, the Caspian, and the Persian Gulf. I think it's just another part of the map's baffling incompetence at depicting literally anything. That's an itinerary map, isn't it? Those aren't meant to be accurate from a cartographer's point of view, they are like subway maps in that they should rather depict how long it takes to get from a to b and what path you should take.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 08:55
|
|
|
Count Roland posted:I'm mostly interested in a geological/climatological context. Basically, today's climate is changing. Getting an idea of past changes would be most interesting.  Everything east of the blue line is gone.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 09:53
|
|
|
So in addition to two thirds of the city being gone, the remaining townsfolk got stuck with the old lepers' chapel as their new parish church? Ouch.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 10:14
|
|
|
The Sin of Onan posted:I am a classics student currently doing my Master's (and if I could do image editing at all, this is the part where I'd combine
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 10:42
|
|
|
Paul.Power posted:In Anglo-Saxon times, Dunwich in East Anglia was one of the largest towns in England. Coastal erosion has turned it into a small village. The horror
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 16:03
|
|
|
Ron Jeremy posted:The horror I got it.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 16:36
|
|
|
Paul.Power posted:In Anglo-Saxon times, Dunwich in East Anglia was one of the largest towns in England. Coastal erosion has turned it into a small village. 
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 16:39
|
|
|
A Buttery Pastry posted:I'll leave you to consider what Denmark's many islands are. When I was a child I thought Denmark looked like a head with a cool haircut (for the nineties). Zealand was a stone and the other islands were snot that the head had sneezed on the Zealand stone.
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 16:43
|
|
|
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWWtqfwacQ
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 17:34
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 28, 2024 01:04 |
|
|
That's really interesting but then he calls the Qing Dynasty an "early empire".
|
|
#
?
Jan 4, 2017 19:58
|
|