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Zoran posted:Was she winning those people 100% to 0%? Of course, duh. All of them had Hillary Clinton as their second choice. Don't you know anything?
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Serf posted:maybe you were asleep for 2016 but polls mean nothing anymore lol Ehhhh I could see Libertarians voting for Clinton over Trump if those were their only options due to the sheer horror factor of Trump. But it's silly for people to claim that he cost her votes because normally you are correct, a Libtard would never vote for a Dem.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/816283238511611904 Wait, Schumer is endorsing Ellison? Are we sure that this guy is as woke as people say he is.....cuz I mean Schumer.....come on, man!
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/816283238511611904 yglesias saying things that make sense is breaking my brain more than anything else really
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Serf posted:maybe you were asleep for 2016 but polls mean nothing anymore lol gary johnson wins more disaffected dems than republicans because his entire campaign is "legal weed and no war" and he just brushes off the whole "kill the poor" aspect of his platform. this was true in 2012 as well. there's a reason why sanders felt he needed to ask his supporters not to vote for gary johnson.
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Concerned Citizen posted:gary johnson wins more disaffected dems than republicans because his entire campaign is "legal weed and no war" and he just brushes off the whole "kill the poor" aspect of his platform. this was true in 2012 as well. gonna go out on a limb here and say that the vast majority, far more than half, of gary johnson's supporters were libertarians, not disaffected dems
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Serf posted:gonna go out on a limb here and say that the vast majority, far more than half, of gary johnson's supporters were libertarians, not disaffected dems And it does seem like there's an obvious way to win over people who care about legal weed and no war
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Zoran posted:Was she winning those people 100% to 0%? no, most of them would have just not voted. the election was close enough that she might have won if 3rd parties weren't on the ballot, but it was not really the reason she lost - this year the 3rd parties were more a rejection of hillary & trump than an embrace of of either candidate's campaign.
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Zoran posted:And it does seem like there's an obvious way to win over people who care about legal weed and no war Bernie Bernie don't you lose my number Cuz there's not any way. That you wouldn't have won
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Serf posted:gonna go out on a limb here and say that the vast majority, far more than half, of gary johnson's supporters were libertarians, not disaffected dems yeah no, there aren't even remotely that many libertarians in the united states.
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fits my needs posted:Wait, Schumer is endorsing Ellison? Are we sure that this guy is as woke as people say he is.....cuz I mean Schumer.....come on, man! Schumer's an opportunist who was quicker at reading the writing on the wall than his Hillaryman colleagues. Either that, or he's willing to give the Sanders faction control of the party in the hopes that they gently caress up in 2018 so he and the Hillarymen can say "SEE? SEE? WE TOLD YOU!"
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Alter Ego posted:Schumer's an opportunist who was quicker at reading the writing on the wall than his Hillaryman colleagues. hes an opportunist, so both
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Concerned Citizen posted:yeah no, there aren't even remotely that many libertarians in the united states. source?
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there's tons of libertarians in america source: a ron paul revolution sticker I saw in the bathroom last week
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Serf posted:source? libertarian result by year: browne '96: 0.50% browne '00: 0.36% badnarik '04: 0.32% barr '08: 0.40% johnson '12: 1% johnson '16: 3.28% gary johnson improved on previous hard-right candidates by campaigning on weed and war, but he did not just suddenly invent millions of new libertarians.
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Alter Ego posted:Jesus loving Christ. Yes, we should put this on people who voted for Mr. What's Aleppo, because clearly Hillary was their close second choice. Actually a lot of bernouts voted for johnson because they're only capable of smoking weed, buying weed to smoke, or thinking about the next time they can smoke weed.
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Serf posted:there's tons of libertarians in america not surprisingly, a lot of ron paul's supporters weren't libertarians either. they were attracted to his platform of weed and no war. there is certainly no shortage of former ron paul supporters who jumped to sanders in '16.
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Concerned Citizen posted:libertarian result by year: he didn't create them, the free market did!!!
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Serf posted:there's tons of libertarians in america and yet you didn't notice me tapping my foot st you
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/816283238511611904 Sanderistas shitpost like this but hillfolk shitpost like this
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"Wow, it looks like record numbers of normally-Democratic voters were unwilling to vote for our nominee this year and were compelled to vote for third-party candidates instead. I guess people are just becoming more and more stupid, bad, and racist. There's no other way to explain why they would fail us like this." -- a lot of people two months ago
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Concerned Citizen posted:libertarian result by year: looks like those voters are being created lol
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zegermans posted:Actually a lot of bernouts voted for johnson because they're only capable of smoking weed, buying weed to smoke, or thinking about the next time they can smoke weed. Bernard Brothers love weed as much as Hillary Enthusiasts love salt
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I do not like the Sandernistas as a pejorative because it implies there was anything wrong with the Sandinistas and their valiant struggle against the murderous Contras and their imperialist US backers.loquacius posted:Bernard Brothers love weed as much as Hillary Enthusiasts love salt I switched to Bernouts because it was rightly pointed out to me that BernieBro is sexist.
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zegermans posted:I do not like the Sandernistas as a pejorative because it implies there was anything wrong with the Sandinistas and their valiant struggle against the murderous Contras and their imperialist US backers. it's a pejorative?
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zegermans posted:I do not like the Sandernistas as a pejorative because it implies there was anything wrong with the Sandinistas and their valiant struggle against the murderous Contras and their imperialist US backers.
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Serf posted:it's a pejorative? Perhaps not here but I've seen it used elsewhere as such.
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Serf posted:looks like those voters are being created lol well it's not an outbreak of libertarian ideology, it's an outbreak of hillary-clinton-is-nomineeitis. is it really that much of a shock that people don't really put a lot of thought as to where they throw away their protest vote?
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Concerned Citizen posted:is it really that much of a shock that people don't really put a lot of thought as to where they throw away their protest vote? Not really, I don't have much faith in the frontal lobe functionality of people who thought this was a good election to protest vote.
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zegermans posted:I do not like the Sandernistas as a pejorative because it implies there was anything wrong with the Sandinistas and their valiant struggle against the murderous Contras and their imperialist US backers. the tribulations of the centrist: finding just the right pejorative to use for those idiots who failed to support your candidate sufficiently without stepping on any toes w/r/t demographics
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Concerned Citizen posted:well it's not an outbreak of libertarian ideology, it's an outbreak of hillary-clinton-is-nomineeitis. is it really that much of a shock that people don't really put a lot of thought as to where they throw away their protest vote? I believe that if people were gonna protest vote, they probably wrote in bernie sanders or voted for trump tbh
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zegermans posted:Perhaps not here but I've seen it used elsewhere as such. Anybody who uses it as a pejorative is signalling themselves as an idiot and enemy
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am i out of touch? no, it is the voters who are wrong
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loquacius posted:"Wow, it looks like record numbers of normally-Democratic voters were unwilling to vote for our nominee this year and were compelled to vote for third-party candidates instead. I guess people are just becoming more and more stupid, bad, and racist. There's no other way to explain why they would fail us like this." -- a lot of people two months ago I'm just gonna quote myself here because this is all I can think of every time someone third-party-shames Stein is a joke, Johnson is a joke, and the fact that many more people than usual voted for one or the other of them rather than supporting Hillary can't really be seen as anything other than a failure on Hillary's part Maybe if the Democratic Party actually became a party for the lower and middle classes people wouldn't feel compelled to protest-vote against them
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zegermans posted:Not really, I don't have much faith in the frontal lobe functionality of people who thought this was a good election to protest vote.
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I must confess that I'm confused as to why so many in the Democratic Party are unwilling to admit how awful a candidate Hillary was. It seems to me that if I was preparing for another shot at Trump in 2020, I would want to believe that the things that happened in 2016 are things the party could fix or avoid. Admitting "Trump was really lovely, but Hillary was pretty lovely too, and if we had gone with someone who wasn't so personally and politically repellent to so many people we would have beaten him like a rented mule" seems like a simple thing to me. I guess the point is that if we want to have hope for the future, we have to think that WE did something wrong, not that external factors were the sole cause for her loss.
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zegermans posted:Not really, I don't have much faith in the frontal lobe functionality of people who thought this was a good election to protest vote. We are all very concerned for you, zegs
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