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I said come in! posted:Honestly I wish Star Wars stopped with a New Hope and no more Star Wars was ever made after that. So a cultural, commercial and box office failure.
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Dinosaurs! posted:Yo how do C3PO and R2D2 get from their clumsy cameo about getting left behind at the Yavin base to being on the blockade runner at the beginning of ANH? They were "left behind" by the Rogue One freighter. I assume they rode with Captain Antilles's corvette as they left later.
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Jan 3, 2017 06:48
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Oh were they? I thought the cameo took place as the fleet was scrambling to get to Scarif, not as the Rogue One shuttle left.
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Jan 3, 2017 07:58
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Their cameo was during the scramble. We can only assume Captain Antilles shooed them into the Tantive soon after 3P0 bitches about being out of the loop on everything.
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Jan 3, 2017 08:27
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That's dumb. They should have cut that. Or at least do it Waldo-style and have the droids be in the background of the crowd boarding the blockade runner during the Vader scene. The obi wan scene was similarly ham-fisted. And I'm sure this has been talked about ad nauseam, but the score was very forgettable. The music was also way too upbeat for Cassian's speech about how he and the other volunteers had done horrible things in the name of the rebellion and that they would rather sacrifice their lives hoping it meant something than to watch the alliance dissolve and become monsters without an ideology.
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Jan 3, 2017 08:57
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Jan 3, 2017 09:03
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Plinkett came out with a non-apology that lasted longer than his initial review to tell everyone who hated his first review that they are idiots. I'd have left a comment he could make fun of in a 3rd review, but I got banned from the site already. He still didn't answer what was wrong with his first one, and spends most of time making fun of you tube comments and boast about the amount of you tube views he had. He's still using the trailer to demonstrate facts that aren't in the movie too. How the mighty have fallen.
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Jan 3, 2017 10:59
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Dinosaurs! posted:That's dumb. They should have cut that. Or at least do it Waldo-style and have the droids be in the background of the crowd boarding the blockade runner during the Vader scene. The obi wan scene was similarly ham-fisted. I did think those two cameos detracted from the movie and were clearly the most blatant. And yeah, Giacchino had one month to do the score so it was kinda, meh. Apraxin posted:Yeah, I once found an old newspaper interview from 1976 with hotshot wunderkind director George Lucas, and in the middle of it the interviewer, with Lucas's blessing, casually lays out a lot of the main plot beats of the new sci-fi movie Lucas is filming: Yeah, I don't get how someone thinks they could've effectively hidden Vader, or that "the experience" is some vital thing. Honestly, the trailer itself suggested a much more Dirty-Dozen esque movie than we got.
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Comstar posted:Plinkett came out with a non-apology that lasted longer than his initial review to tell everyone who hated his first review that they are idiots. I'd have left a comment he could make fun of in a 3rd review, but I got banned from the site already. I smell desperation from them
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Comstar posted:Plinkett came out with a non-apology that lasted longer than his initial review to tell everyone who hated his first review that they are idiots. I'd have left a comment he could make fun of in a 3rd review, but I got banned from the site already. Their HITB for Rogue One was really bad. The Plinkett video was poor, too. I haven't watched that one because it seems like it'd also be pretty bad. My mind was boggling at their comments like, why Saw didn't have a rock crush his legs or something, why did he just choose to die? One, he can barely move on his robot legs and flat out says he's barely alive. Two, if seeing an unprecedented WMD annihilate your entire life's work doesn't give you pause then I don't know what would. It's one of those things where it's hard to tell what they would have liked. I'm pretty sure they give TFA a pass for doing nothing really new, but castigate Rogue One for apparently doing the same. They act like AT-STs and TIE Fighters should've been replaced by new designs, but I'm pretty sure they would have criticised the replacements as being to sell toys. They act like putting in some dialogue into the small fight scene with Cassian and Jyn would have made it better (how? why?) but I kind of get the feeling that they'd go on about how it's supposed to be a gritty war film but look at them quipping at each other ala A New Hope. I think Mike said something to the effect that he was surprised the film wasn't, like, a funny heist movie where Cassian Andor has to impersonate an Imperial officer for some hijinks - and it's just one of those things where you wonder what trailers he was watching. There's criticism of films and then there's just complaining that it doesn't meet some imaginary idealistic standard. By the sounds of the HITB video, they were more annoyed at the audience than they were the film. edit: Like, yeah, the OT does a lot of things right and are deservedly classics - but not every film can be the OT. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 14:42 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Yeah I'd heard about having only one month to do the score, so I won't hold it too much against Giacchino, but "rousing speech" music was not appropriate for that one scene. And eh, Plinkett is trying to capitalize on the hype for the movie. People want to see what he thinks right after they get out of the theater and RLM is trying to throw quick videos together since they won't have a full review up for several months.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:11
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They dislike it for all the wrong reasons tbh. It shouldn't have been more quippy during fighting scenes, if anything it should have doubled down on 'war film' and shown what fighting the empire is like if it were 'real' or whatever. You can see the makers were in dubio themselves because they show some weird stuff in between the shooting of mans by having people being beat up by sticks by several characters and at some point Chirrut's staff turns into a bow to shoot down a TIE = tonal inconsistency for sure. Ultimately it ends up being a very family friendly affair still, like they still wanted the "avengers" action heroes like some stuff that chirrut does and k2so to an extent but it's also a 'war movie' (whatever that means right) but it ends up being a mixed bag of both which I can see lets down both audiences' expectations. Apart from vaguely condemning or approving terrorist-like actions against the Empire (you can argue for it both ways really) it should've been bolder, or would I have made it it would have been haha. Still, I'm really itching to watch it again to double down on my opinions or re-evaluate. Nielsen fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 15:25
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Nielsen posted:You can see the makers were in dubio themselves because they show some weird stuff in between the shooting of mans by having people being beat up by sticks by several characters and at some point Chirrut's staff turns into a bow to shoot down a TIE = tonal inconsistency for sure. Not sure if this is a joke or what, but Chirrut has two weapons. His walking stick which apparently has a Kyber crystal at the end per the Visual Guide, and his bow caster. The bow caster is given back to him by Baze after he does his initial take down on all those storm troopers.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:37
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I know it's EU and has been purged, but when Mon Mothma talked about Saul Guerrero being too radical and extremist for the Rebel Alliance I couldn't help but think about Garm Bel Iblis and how he too had proved to be too much of a firebrand for Mon Mothma.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:41
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Teek posted:Not sure if this is a joke or what, but Chirrut has two weapons. His walking stick which apparently has a Kyber crystal at the end per the Visual Guide, and his bow caster. The bow caster is given back to him by Baze after he does his initial take down on all those storm troopers. haha no joke, I swear he did some weird stuff with the staff and I thought it flipped open or something. I'll just blame the blurry 3D and the dark scene and not my inattentiveness ok : P I guess even if it was a different weapon it's still pretty silly, it doesn't detract from the argument I was making imo.
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Jan 3, 2017 15:45
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He quite literally is a terrorist that the Jedi's trained. They are going to be exploring him more in the 2nd half of Rebels this season.
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THORIUM posted:lol trailers in the 80s were a voice-over that laid the entire plot of the film out, including a lot of spoilers. "Studies gave a poo poo" only about money and ticket sales. I said many, not all. Most people also didn't see movie trailers, they heard about them via word of mouth or saw the ad/poster in the newspaper. Movies also had a single trailer and that was it. The internet and YouTube have drastically changed how movies are advertised and hyped. Opening weekend sales didn't matter back then, either, because stuff like ANH was literally in the theater for 6-8 months because the home video market barely existed. ANH was always an exception compared to other stuff and is not a basis for any observations on the era, Fox actually did hype it up and the marketing was in place beforehand because they knew it would do well. They didn't realize just how huge it would be despite that marketing, but it was no Tron or Krull or Alien or The Thing, it was very much an exception for the genre it was in, not unlike its cast of revered British dramatic actors. Dinosaurs! posted:Yeah I'd heard about having only one month to do the score, so I won't hold it too much against Giacchino, but "rousing speech" music was not appropriate for that one scene. He was scoring a film that was still being edited, as well. I wouldn't be surprised if he was working with an old cut before some of the reshoots were shoved in or scenes were rearranged. Seems like a rushed production schedule and the reshoots/late tweaks are basically wholly responsible for the dips in quality on this film, like so many other films lately. (As opposed to casting or the director having a terrible eye for shots or terribly written dialogue/overall script aka all of the problems the prequels had) I'm curious as to whether there are some sweeping changes/politics in the editing industry or something, because a lot of big budget movies have exceptionally bad editing lately despite having some pretty solid directors. Fuzz fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 17:34
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gohmak posted:I smell desperation from them I have a good friend who really likes their content and talks about it a lot. I've given them several chances but I just don't see the appeal at all. They're mostly annoying rather than funny to me. Though they did a great video (or was it two?) about Jack & Jill.
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Jan 3, 2017 18:07
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Milky Moor posted:Their HITB for Rogue One was really bad. The Plinkett video was poor, too. I haven't watched that one because it seems like it'd also be pretty bad. Yeah, if you take Saw's death out of context, maybe it doesn't make sense, but if you look at how hard Saw's people fought, their relative success, and then how it came to nothing- the Death Star blew them up anyway, you can immediately see that he's done. I think people are too used to Lucas who no doubt would've had Saw ruminate on his fight. I would have liked to see more of Saw, but more for Jyn's benefit rather than Saw himself. Jyn suffered the most from the cuts in act 1, and her characterization felt very hot and heavy. I think the opening scene with Galen could've been a minute long and it probably would still have worked.
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Interview with the editors about what was changed: https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/rogue-ones-editors-reveal-scenes-added-in-the-star-wars-standalone-reshoots-exclusive-110124381.html They cover everything except the third act pretty much, though they do vaguely talk about it being re-worked. Originally the movie went from Young Jyn, to her being brought in before Mon Mothma. In the "reshoots" they added new bridge material with Cassian meeting the informant and Jyn being rescued. They also added scenes of Bodhi being led to Saw to better establish him. They mentioned during pre-production they spliced together different movies to get a feel of what they were going for and the timing, one of the things they mentioned was them using the base door closing in Wargames for the tape vault door being locked in Rogue One to get the timing right, so it sounds like some form of that was in their originally. Teek fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 19:09
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Which is funny, because of all of that simply drags the first half of the movie out way too much. The first act is way too padded and simply boring.
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Jan 3, 2017 19:42
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Was it stated that Saw had spent his "career" on Jeddah? It didn't seem like he was doing his thing on that planet when he abandoned Jyn and I just assumed he went wherever the fight was. And as for the idea that he gave up after watching the Death Star blow up his life's work, the Empire was only on Jeddah to grab crystals and they had literally just finished and peaced out, so it's not like he was very successful. Edit: I read his motivation as basically the same thing, though. He didn't care about the "loss" of Jeddah, he just didn't think it was worth taking the fight to the Death Star. Dinosaurs! fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 20:04
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Ammanas posted:Which is funny, because of all of that simply drags the first half of the movie out way too much. The first act is way too padded and simply boring. Yeah this movie felt creatively compromised to me. The movie ends up being kind of a muddled mess that is held together by some totally rad visuals and an appeal to the language of the Star Wars EU that I grew up on. RLM was right on when they said that this was the world's most expensive fan film. That's not necessarily a bad thing for me as a huge nerd, but I have a hard time seeing the appeal of Rogue One if it's not also A Star Wars Story, you know? The shot of the Rebel fleet being torn apart by the Star Destroyer exiting hyperspace did more for me than just about anything else in the film. I think Jyn and Cassian both work just fine on their own, but I really think each would have benefited if they had a counterpoint character to play off of, who could challenge them and cause them to grow. Similarly, I liked the monk and his buddy, but they felt genuinely out of place in a gritty war movie that featured space Fallujah and friendly fire murders. Like I'm not sure why Jyn's strike team featured a blind guy with a bo staff. I figured he was there to be an Obi-Wan esque figure to Jyn, but all of his best and most memorable material was him interacting with his friend, like they were in a separate film altogether. Even at the end, their action felt disconnected from Jyn and Cassian, who were pretty clearly doing the real work of the mission. I guess they had to die because they weren't in the OT, but I'm really not sure why they were in the movie. Looking back, it would make more sense for them to die on space Fallujah guarding what was left of their religion, but that's just me.
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TheLoquid posted:Yeah this movie felt creatively compromised to me. The movie ends up being kind of a muddled mess that is held together by some totally rad visuals and an appeal to the language of the Star Wars EU that I grew up on. RLM was right on when they said that this was the world's most expensive fan film. That's not necessarily a bad thing for me as a huge nerd, but I have a hard time seeing the appeal of Rogue One if it's not also A Star Wars Story, you know? The shot of the Rebel fleet being torn apart by the Star Destroyer exiting hyperspace did more for me than just about anything else in the film. The Force clearly directed Chirrut to protect and guide Jyn, which he did the entire movie, until the end when he literally flips the switch which completes her enlightenment. He was an indispensable vehicle of the Force, much like R2D2 was used in other movies. Chirrut was the Force fighting back, as it were. He was revenge for what was lost at Jedna (sp?)
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euphronius posted:The Force clearly directed Chirrut to protect and guide Jyn, which he did the entire movie, until the end when he literally flips the switch which completes her enlightenment. He was an indispensable vehicle of the Force, much like R2D2 was used in other movies. Indispensable is a strong word for his role in the plot. As I said, I enjoyed his character and the way he interacted with his friend, but I don't think they succeeded in incorporating him into Jyn and Cassian's personal quests, such as they were. His role in the final battle was sheer contrivance in a way that was distracting to me.
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While it would have been cool to see more Forest Whitaker, it literally takes everyone running full tilt to reach the U-Wing after the single reactor blast from the Death Star on NiJedha causes the rock tsunami. Everyone escapes by the skin of their teeth. Saw doesn't go more than 3-5 minutes without having to use his breathing apparatus and that's just from standing around, also he can't even walk well on his own two cyber legs without his staff. He's not going to burden Jyn or the rest of his men by having them carry his broken rear end out. Like he said when he first thought Jyn might have been sent to kill him, there isn't much of him left. He's the captain of his ship so him and Bor Gullet went down with it.
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TheLoquid posted:Indispensable is a strong word for his role in the plot. As I said, I enjoyed his character and the way he interacted with his friend, but I don't think they succeeded in incorporating him into Jyn and Cassian's personal quests, such as they were. His role in the final battle was sheer contrivance in a way that was distracting to me. I can see your pov. My wife had the same reaction: "He was from a different movie, did not like him" I meant indispensable to the story, not the plot. But whatever.
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BigglesSWE posted:I have a good friend who really likes their content and talks about it a lot. I've given them several chances but I just don't see the appeal at all. They're mostly annoying rather than funny to me. The best thing they do is "Best of the Worst" - I've found some real gems because of watching that.
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I almost entirely agree with rlm on this one. I still enjoyed the movie though. The set pieces and action scenes were super badass. Was it amazing? No, but the battles all were.
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The thing that makes the least sense is when Plinkett brought up his "context" argument which made no loving sense. The other films are the context lol. Of course you'll be confused about the force and who the empire is if you jump into the franchise with a spin off. " WHO'S MEANT TO BE THE BAD GUY??" oh loving gee I wonder who it could be? Tarkin? The near cameo appearance who's sole point is to remind you Krennic isn't the top dog? Vader? The guy with like 2 tiny scenes? Or Krennic, the guy who sets the whole plot into motion and spends the whole film trying to finish his death machine, crush the rebels and has gently caress loads of screen time? God I really can't tell guys. That video sucked hard.
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BillBear posted:The thing that makes the least sense is when Plinkett brought up his "context" argument which made no loving sense. The other films are the context lol. That's basically the part where I turned the video off. Its the biggest media franchise ever, with seven movies that were massive box office hits, a couple TV shows, shitloads of toys and games. There was no pretense of it being a standalone movie.
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Filthy Casual posted:That's basically the part where I turned the video off. Its the biggest media franchise ever, with seven movies that were massive box office hits, a couple TV shows, shitloads of toys and games. There was no pretense of it being a standalone movie. Except the part where they said it stands apart from the main trilogy but ties in, literally from the start. Even MCU movies still have some semblance of internal consistency so you can jump into most of them and still have an idea of what's going on in that specific franchise without having seen every single other one. You could watch Cap 1-3 without seeing any of the other films and still understand all the major plot points of Civil War because they show you synopses or backstory highlights in the news footage or from a random aside. Rogue One had very little of that, which, to be fair, is shoddy film making. I haven't seen the Plinkett thing but that fact remains rather true.
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BillBear posted:The thing that makes the least sense is when Plinkett brought up his "context" argument which made no loving sense. The other films are the context lol. Of course you'll be confused about the force and who the empire is if you jump into the franchise with a spin off. " WHO'S MEANT TO BE THE BAD GUY??" oh loving gee I wonder who it could be? Tarkin? The near cameo appearance who's sole point is to remind you Krennic isn't the top dog? Vader? The guy with like 2 tiny scenes? Or Krennic, the guy who sets the whole plot into motion and spends the whole film trying to finish his death machine, crush the rebels and has gently caress loads of screen time? God I really can't tell guys. That video sucked hard. Separate from the discussion of fat idiots with a YouTube channel, is it a good thing that you just listed 3 villians (should add Saw in there too) and none of them are clearly the antagonist in the film? It ties into the film feeling muddled and rudderless, bumping from one (very rad) set piece to another. Doesn't help that there's no real good guy either. Jen's coolest thing about her is having a much cooler dad and Cassian mercs dudes in the back nbd. I get they were going for more of a shades of grey element in star wars but it wasn't explored deeply...And feels weird when you're dealing with Star Wars, a very black/white good/bad setting
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Ammanas posted:Separate from the discussion of fat idiots with a YouTube channel, is it a good thing that you just listed 3 villians (should add Saw in there too) and none of them are clearly the antagonist in the film? Dude you're responding to a post explaining how Krennic is clearly the main antagonist. Him having his own antagonists doesn't really change the fact that the movie focuses on him.
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Ammanas posted:Separate from the discussion of fat idiots with a YouTube channel, is it a good thing that you just listed 3 villians (should add Saw in there too) and none of them are clearly the antagonist in the film? It ties into the film feeling muddled and rudderless, bumping from one (very rad) set piece to another. Krennic is very very obviously the film's primary bad guy. That's like saying I couldn't tell if Boba Fett or Vader was the main bad guy in Empire Strikes Back because Boba Fett also tracks down our heroes. It also doesn't really matter one way or the other if a story has a "clear" bad guy in it. I've been finding a lot of the discussion of this movie really hilarious, the film's creators talked a lot about the Empire and Rebellion both being shades of gray in it, and we know from what little has been revealed that some of that was softened a little to make the characters more familiar to us. It's like, making everything even SLIGHTLY not 100% black and white good vs. evil has broken some folks' ability to talk about the movie. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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The big problem with Krennic is that he doesn't do anything significant in the final act. If he'd died on Eadu or Mustafar virtually nothing would have changed.
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The entire final act plays out as it does because of the now rockier relationship with Tarkin and Krennic and Krennic's ambition and pettiness making him decide to go to the archives personally and without notifying anyone major so he can attempt to cover up his gently caress up. That along with his hatred for failing to control Jyn/her family personally causes him to attempt a final showdown at the transmitter control, ironically causing him to die via being incapacitated by getting shot in the back like a cowardly traitor instead of a glorious white clad guy who just ensured the Empire will live forever followed his own creation completely wiping away his entire existence (basically any record of his contributing to the Death Star, his personal death troops and entourage all get vaporized and the Death Star is of course under Tarkin's control now). It's a classic comeuppance ending with the villain getting irrevocably owned on every literal and thematic level the film provides.
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Krennic is set as the main bad guy from the start. He orders the death of Jyn's mom, he requests the destruction of the entire moon of Jedha but is only allowed to destroy a city, relishes in the beauty of said destruction, kills all the major engineers and scientists behind the Death Star laser... I could go on but it really should be obvious at that point in the movie that he's the main antagonist regardless of the appearances of his ranking superiors Tarkin and Vader.
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you guys are hilarious. my wifes only seen TFA, knows nothing about star wars and was able to follow and enjoy rogue one just fine lol what is wrong with you goons
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Fuzz posted:Rogue One had very little of that, which, to be fair, is shoddy film making. I haven't seen the Plinkett thing but that fact remains rather true.
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