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dokmo posted:I love how these articles about what a genius Kidd is for putting him at PG never mention that Giannis was a PG for years on that weird greek team built to take advantage of his playmaking. That article actually mentions it: quote:Antetokounmpo’s parents, sitting high in the stands, as their beanstalk son deftly ran the point for Filathlitikos in the Greek second division.
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The true genius of Kidd is getting the occasional free sideline cocktail whenever a game is getting too boring to coach.
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Libertine posted:The true genius of Kidd is getting the occasional free sideline cocktail whenever a game is getting too boring to coach.
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euphronius posted:We have a word it's called point forward. advanced stats community considers this two words
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EvanTH posted:advanced stats community considers this two words
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Tae posted:Am I the only one that sees no value in Giannis as a PG? A guy like him is better served as a wing, PF, or even Center as you want as many ball handlers as possible on the same court. Plus the fact that he's their best rim protector. He mostly plays next to Jabari as the other forward, so Giannis is playing more of the inside D (though this is matchup dependent). He also plays next to Beasley and Teletovic, both guys who don't defend bigs very well. When it makes sense Giannis is defending the interior as mostly a weakside guy. I don't think you want him bodying down low too much, he spends most of his energy on offense.
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Tae posted:Am I the only one that sees no value in Giannis as a PG? A guy like him is better served as a wing, PF, or even Center as you want as many ball handlers as possible on the same court. Plus the fact that he's their best rim protector. When they say Giannis is playing point guard they just mean he is running their offense. He is actually playing the 3 or 4 most of the time. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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Jan 3, 2017 17:44
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we really need an nba version of def jam vendetta
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straight up brolic posted:we really need an nba version of def jam vendetta I'd be okay with even just a new version of Def Jam Vendetta
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Jan 3, 2017 17:51
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intro cinematic for the storyline is an animated version of Soulja boy's clearly fabricated story about shooting people coming into his studio
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Jan 3, 2017 17:52
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Looking forward to Simmons giannis match ups
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straight up brolic posted:we really need an nba version of def jam vendetta True life I would buy a game where I could play as Russel Westbrook beating the poo poo out of Kevin Durant for like 200$
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Jan 3, 2017 17:55
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I'm pretty sure we already know?
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Kibner posted:That article actually mentions it: I stand corrected.. Blind Pineapple posted:Advanced Stats Question: What does win shares take into account that PER/BPM/VORP don't? Getting back to this, everything ultimately comes from box score stats. Harden is 120 ORTG, 106 DRTG, Westbrook is 110 ORTG, 103 DRTG. Their defensive win shares are about equal. As far as component stats go, they are both similar is steals and block rates, both are above-average defensive rebounders, although Westbrook's DR% is much higher. Without getting into their numbers more, I can't really tell why Harden's DRTG is nearly as good as Westbrook's. Defensive BPM likes Westbrook's defense a lot more than Harden's. My eyes tell me that they're both decent on the ball defenders and lazy off the ball defenders, but I wouldn't put numbers on this. The big difference, and the answer to what you're getting at, is that Harden's efficiency is so far above average, that it offset's Westbrook's marginally above average efficiency but much higher usage. Harden has 6.1 offensive win shares, Westbrook has 3.6. This probably tracks their actual contributions closely IMO. Harden's TS% is 61% to Westbrook's 53%. IOW Harden is 7% above average (1.2 standard deviations) while Westbrook is exactly average. ORTG rewards higher usage, so Westbrook gets a bump from that, but from these numbers he is a player who is an average scorer who takes a billion shots, not enough to offset a player who takes slightly less than a billion shots but is very efficient.
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tarbrush posted:I'm pretty sure we already know? We think we know. Who knows if the Bulls have truly found the bottom of the well. Will they be able to keep digging past the bedrock and reach never before seen lows.
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Even though Westbrook always puts up crazy numbers, has lots of triple doubles, and makes crazy explosive plays, I never considered him as important to his team as other stars
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Jack's Flow posted:
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Even though Westbrook always puts up crazy numbers, has lots of triple doubles, and makes crazy explosive plays, I never considered him as important to his team as other stars If the thunder didn't have Westbrook they would have somewhere between 5-8 wins.
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Jan 3, 2017 18:19
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Paul Zuvella posted:If the thunder didn't have Westbrook they would have somewhere between 5-8 wins. And if the Rockets didn't have Harden they would have negative wins, they would owe opponents a win from next season.
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dokmo posted:And if the Rockets didn't have Harden they would have negative wins, they would owe opponents a win from next season. Let me tell you about Chinanu Onuaku and his 47.5 PER* *in 8 minutes
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So I stole this topic from Reddit, but it's a good one. What is going on with the 2016 draft class? Embiid has ROY sewn up already, but the guys drafted in 2016 haven't been very good. http://www.basketball-reference.com....0&order_by=per Brogdon and Siakam are by far the best in the class right now, and that seems...disappointing. Compare that with the end of year numbers from last year (which was a strong year, and I expect players this year will get better. I don't think I can filter by just the first few months with BBR) http://www.basketball-reference.com....0&order_by=per Guys like Bobby Portis would have the best numbers of any draftee if he came out this year. 2014 (which was considered kind of a down year) is also much better http://www.basketball-reference.com....0&order_by=per Now obviously we don't have the #1 overall pick yet, but at this point he may not put up enough games to get a good sample. Very disappointing rookie class.
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Jack's Flow posted:
2 dumb edit: dangit modulus UTAH GET ME TWO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsas7JI4quw
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Paul Zuvella posted:When they say Giannis is playing point guard they just mean he is running their offense. He is actually playing the 3 or 4 most of the time. If it was good enough for Don Nelson and Paul Pressey, it's good enough for Giannis. 
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:Even though Westbrook always puts up crazy numbers, has lots of triple doubles, and makes crazy explosive plays, I never considered him as important to his team as other stars He's incredibly important to OKC. Too important, in fact. I'm one of those fans that values efficiency. To me right now, Harden is a much better player than Russ. Harden is the best player in the league outside of the ridiculous outlier King Lebron James. But Russ is everything for OKC, and the only reason that they are 6 games over .500.
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predicto posted:He's incredibly important to OKC. Too important, in fact. Rockets have the 4th best record in the league and they'd be a basement dweller without Harden.
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Lockback posted:Rockets have the 4th best record in the league and they'd be a basement dweller without Harden. Absolutely. Harden is a complete stud. Russ is the most exciting player in the association, but Harden is a better and more valuable player.
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Lockback posted:Rockets have the 4th best record in the league and they'd be a basement dweller without Harden. I think this team would be similar to the teams prior to harden that hovered around the 8th seed, tbh.
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predicto posted:Absolutely. Harden is a complete stud. Russ is the most exciting player in the association, but Harden is a better and more valuable player. But how do you define "valuable"? I'm just kidding, please don't have this discussion
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Time posted:I think this team would be similar to the teams prior to harden that hovered around the 8th seed, tbh. Really? The Thunder are the 7th seed, so a bit below them? I don't see how a team of Beverly/Gordon/Ariza/Anderson/Capela is a .500 team at all, I'd think that team would be closer to the Mavericks. Maybe a .333 win percentage. Guys like Gordon, Ariza and Capela are having good seasons BECAUSE of Harden. You start asking those guys to carry the team I think they all turn into pumpkins. I'd take the rest of OKC over the rest of Houston.
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Lockback posted:I'd take the rest of OKC over the rest of Houston.
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The rest of OKC contains Steve Adams so yeah me too.
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euphronius posted:We have a word it's called point forward. and lest you think you can just chuck anyone with decent handles at PG and have them do what Giannis is, look at the cautionary tale of terrence williams http://www.si.com/vault/2009/03/16/105787317/from-this-point-forward
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Lockback posted:Really? The Thunder are the 7th seed, so a bit below them? I don't see how a team of Beverly/Gordon/Ariza/Anderson/Capela is a .500 team at all, I'd think that team would be closer to the Mavericks. Maybe a .333 win percentage. Guys like Gordon, Ariza and Capela are having good seasons BECAUSE of Harden. You start asking those guys to carry the team I think they all turn into pumpkins. I actually think this team looks about on par with some of the roleplayer only squads that morey built before he got harden. Much better on offense, much worse on defense. Maybe not straight up 8th but I think they could get 38 wins Like this team: http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2011.html Goran Dragic barely played, Yao was out for the year, and they relied on hustle big men and Kevin Martin for defense and scoring. I think pat bev/Eric Gordon/Ryan Anderson is probably as good of a top three guys as those roleplayer teams. Less depth now though Time fucked around with this message at 19:39 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK SI put Giannis on the cover in the issue that article is in. 
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It's important to be able to shoot the ball into the hoop in the game of basketball, therefore I would take the Rockets roster sans Harden vs the OKC roster sans Westbrook
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Tae posted:They don't think Jimmy Butler is a good enough player to build around, judging by their moves and trade rumor. It's too bad they are so inept. If they had gone after some solid role players instead of Wade and Rondo they would actually be pretty good. Letting E'twuan Moore go was dumb. They should have targeted backcourt guys who could shoot like Gordon and Delladova. Heck, I'd take DJ Augustin over any of the point guards this team has now.
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Lockback posted:2016 draft I think it's a combination of a lot of the top picks being really young projects and landing in some less than ideal situations. It's not strange for it to be the first half of the season and the highest performing rookies are guys who are like 22-24 year olds. I don't know, that's about all I could immediately take away from it.
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