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At this point the optimistic outlook is a shittier version of the status quo. Let Mango Mussolini gently caress up the economy like he wants to, throw in a dash of narcissistic man baby rage and congressional desperation and we'll get to show the world how some REAL fiscal austerity can destroy a nation. Government shutdown paychecks were delivered eventually. Don't count on it in the future.
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JacksLibido posted:So maybe wrong thread and I don't know if this has already been discussed but it looks like the NDAA is forcing BAH into normal pay so it's taxed, anybody have any insight on this? I really have no issue with this as long as they also consider on base housing a taxable benefit.
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Pesticide20 posted:He's constantly on Star Talk with Neil deGrasse Tyson and he's probably also been busy as the CEO of the Planetary Society Everyone should listen to Star Talk.
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Godholio posted:Everyone should listen to Star Talk.
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psydude posted:I really have no issue with this as long as they also consider on base housing a taxable benefit. That would be hilariously bad for people stationed in expensive areas.
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LingcodKilla posted:That would be hilariously bad for people stationed in expensive areas. Then go to a cost of living based compensation model.
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Sir Lucius posted:It's a long time coming. I've yet to hear a good reason why dual mil should get free money. Just admit you're gaming the system and don't cry when the gravy train runs out. Well it depends, BAH really IS a significant part of our income. If you work backwards from net, an 8 year Capt. with flight pay living in an area with ~1300/mo BAH, and whose state of residence doesn't have state income tax makes the equivalent of ~115k. Meaning that in order for a civilian in the same area (assuming that area has income tax) would have to make roughly that much to have the same monthly net. This is of course an estimate since a lot depends on medical insurances offered etc. At that point Military pay is fairly competitive, 115k at ~32 years old is pretty drat good right? Well if we look at it that way, marrying mil/mil would in effect be a pay cut for each individual, since that BAH would essentially drop to $600, and the tax offset would further reduce the civilian equivalent. You wouldn't be getting a 7200 paycut, you'd actually be losing something more like 10k+ when you take taxes into account. Each member would then be making ~105k, which is still good but is less than their peers for no reason other than who they chose to marry. When you take the household incomes combined, that's a 20k paycut... wtf In theory, removing BAH and making it a straight one pay for all isn't a BAD thing, so long as the math is done to ensure that BAH isn't just rolled into normal pay and taxed as is (which would be a pay cut) but rather overall pay is increased to take the increased tax burden into account. I highly doubt the DoD will do that, and some dude on reddit quoted a Paragraph D of section 604 as proof that the DoD can't increase base pay to compensate that way. I can't find that paragraph he's quoting though, so take that fwiw. I also wonder how the DoD will account for the very real differences in cost of living. psydude posted:Then go to a cost of living based compensation model. That's what BAH is currently used for and Congress doesn't like that. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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JacksLibido posted:I also wonder how the DoD will account for the very real differences in cost of living. They won't. They'll let the people who either love the service or are already too poor to risk losing the benefits stay in. Feel the weenie.
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JacksLibido posted:I also wonder how the DoD will account for the very real differences in cost of living. Genuine question, what makes you think it will?
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M_Gargantua posted:They won't. They'll let the people who either love the service or are already too poor to risk losing the benefits stay in. Feel the weenie. I could see them doing that for a year or two, but the AF at least has a MASSIVE retention problem with pretty much all their rated officers. They're already giving obscene amounts of money to pilots, I think if there's a few THOUSAND dollar a year paycut, which is what this could very well end up being, the services wont be able to hold enough people. They'll pretty much HAVE to give pay incentives to keep people in. Godholio posted:Genuine question, what makes you think it will? I can see how that question looks like I assume the DoD will, I don't. I HOPE they will, I'm 9 years in going for my majors board in a few months and am pretty much resigned to doing my 20, I don't want a paycut but I'm assuming one is coming. If it's significant though I'll either take a medical retirement or go guard to ride out my time. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jan 3, 2017 |
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That won't matter. The AF has demonstrated over the past decade and continues to demonstrate that it would rather have cheaper inexperienced maintainers than retain older, more expensive ones. And money is basically a non-issue for pilots. The current bonus is almost half a million dollars and it's not loving working. A couple grand a year in taxes isn't going to do anything either way.
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On one hand that sucks. On the other hand gently caress you if you're still in.
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Trump inauguration: Clintons and Bushes to attend ceremony  quote:Bill and Hillary Clinton will attend Donald Trump's inauguration in Washington DC, aides tell US media.
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Godholio posted:That won't matter. The AF has demonstrated over the past decade and continues to demonstrate that it would rather have cheaper inexperienced maintainers than retain older, more expensive ones. And money is basically a non-issue for pilots. The current bonus is almost half a million dollars and it's not loving working. A couple grand a year in taxes isn't going to do anything either way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's that high only for a 10year commitment, it's paid out over the entire 10 years (not 500k/year... if it IS 500k) and is taxed. Besides that though THAT bonus is only paid to 11F and 11B I think, ABMs get a smaller one (if one at all) and 12's get nothing. The AF is already predicting something like a 95% promotion rate for the 08 Majors board, I don't think they can promote enough fast enough to keep up with people leaving if the pay drops much more.
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JacksLibido posted:The AF is already predicting something like a 95% promotion rate for the 08 Majors board, I don't think they can promote enough fast enough to keep up with people leaving if the pay drops much more.  At 95%, it's not even a selection process. I get that having people in cockpits is required to have the planes fly and all but there's no way that bodes well down the line in terms of leadership quality.
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bird food bathtub posted:Keep in mind Trump only criticized the timing of the vote. He's cool with the content, just thought it was premature. only if you take the absolute most cynical reading of his tweets.... quote:“With all that Congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the Independent Ethics Watchdog, as unfair as it may be, their number one act and priority,” Trump asked over Twitter the morning after the surprise and secretive move by the House GOP.
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We're all privy to bird food bathtub's frantic livejournaling of the death of our nation.
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Does that BAH thing include the GI Bill stipend?
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holocaust bloopers posted:We're all privy to bird food bathtub's frantic livejournaling of the death of our nation. yeah but thats how 'fake news' works.
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It's gunna be really weird opening one of my future kids high school history books (online lol books) and seeing tweets cited and poo poo The future is gunna be weird On my future child's AP History Exam 12. Which tweet is attributed to President Donald Trump? (Select one) 13. Which United States President was quoted as saying "Grab her by the p***y"
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holocaust bloopers posted:On one hand that sucks. On the other hand gently caress you if you're still in. gently caress you that's what GI Bill people live on Like holy gently caress that's a massive stealth BAH cut if that's true, like "most of my friends will no longer be able to afford rent" massive cut.
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Local but one of my all-time favorite politicians has thrown her hat in the ring for Michigan governor. http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/03/whitmer-first-jump-into-2018-michigan-governors-race/96116246/ I might actually work on this campaign. I'm excited.
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drat. I was holding out hope that they'd snub him.
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Jarmak posted:gently caress you that's what GI Bill people live on I dont believe the GI Bill housing is funded exactly like BAH. It's the same amount as E-5 for the area, but it isn't BAH. Vasudus?
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Casimir Radon posted:drat. I was holding out hope that they'd snub him. Ringside seats for the trainwreck? I'd accept. 
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It's not BAH, it just uses that rate. It's also a benefit, not income.
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MassivelyBuckNegro posted:yeah but thats how 'fake news' works. If someone uses hyperbole to describe a person or group of people it's usually pretty safe to let it go. Trump tweets and peoples' responses to them are just great big slap fights. On BAH: the military will survive without the "experienced" people. It basically drives them out already. Maybe this will just get rid of all the married people though, then we can just get rid if bah all together and invest that money into decent barracks. I actually hate that idea, but I'm trying to be realistic as a tax payer.
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Sir Lucius posted:If someone uses hyperbole to describe a person or group of people it's usually pretty safe to let it go. Trump tweets and peoples' responses to them are just great big slap fights. Gonna be interesting to see what happens to the military healthcare system when it's no longer 90% pregnancy/pediatrics.
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Sir Lucius posted:If someone uses hyperbole to describe a person or group of people it's usually pretty safe to let it go. Trump tweets and peoples' responses to them are just great big slap fights. I just want others to suffer as I have.
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You know this won't get rid of the married people because if they were smart enough not to enlist and knock up some random chick and tie an anchor to their life and upward mobility they would've already gotten out
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Naked Bear posted:It's not BAH, it just uses that rate. It's also a benefit, not income. Correct, but I'm also not sure how the new laws are worded. So probably 90% safe? I don't know.
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JacksLibido posted:Well it depends, BAH really IS a significant part of our income. If you work backwards from net, an 8 year Capt. with flight pay living in an area with ~1300/mo BAH, and whose state of residence doesn't have state income tax makes the equivalent of ~115k. Meaning that in order for a civilian in the same area (assuming that area has income tax) would have to make roughly that much to have the same monthly net. This is of course an estimate since a lot depends on medical insurances offered etc. Most pilots don't get paid that well, so yes, it is. For the rest of the military, officer pay is not competitive compared to the market rate for comparable positions of management.
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psydude posted:Most pilots don't get paid that well, so yes, it is. For the rest of the military, officer pay is not competitive compared to the market rate for comparable positions of management. I would say it's significantly harder to get into equivalent positions though. Of all the people I know who've gotten out at their 8 year mark (I'm a 12R), every one of them has taken a pay cut. I don't have a single friend from college or who got out of the AF who makes more than me, barring pilots who got out at 10 to fly commercial... but you're talking management. The pilots I know who get out at 10 don't have any trouble getting picked up for a national carrier, Southwest etc. While they take a paycut in the beginning after 5-7 years they're on par with their military friends, then from there they just flat out make more. Sir Lucius posted:If someone uses hyperbole to describe a person or group of people it's usually pretty safe to let it go. Trump tweets and peoples' responses to them are just great big slap fights. As a taxpayer you SHOULDN'T want people in Barracks. People in barracks = 1 single contractor (who probably got that contract through corruption) getting paid. With BAH it's pretty much your tax dollars paying military salaries paying rent to local businesses/buying local housing. Your money is going back to the local community rather than some contractor who's overcharging because they have a general/senator friend keeping them with the contract. JacksLibido fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Donnie really doesn't realize how angry he's making the Intelligence Community. And why you really shouldn't be angering the Intelligence Community.
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facialimpediment posted:Donnie really doesn't realize how angry he's making the Intelligence Community. 9/11 was good for Bush, I don't think trump really cares. Nothing happens and he's doing a good job and something does he has more ammo for his hate machine and might get more people to step in line
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I really hope trump isnt playing some crazy 13 dimensional chess and we've been underestimating him for forever
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Hot Karl Marx posted:I really hope trump isnt playing some crazy 13 dimensional chess and we've been underestimating him for forever I despise the man for a wide variety of reasons, and doubt he has the mental capacity to even reason the idea of dimensional chess, let alone maestro any. But if that is the case, I'd have to gain an fraction of a percent of respect for him. In reality, it's the gop running the show for a few years. He just gets to play puppet while ALEC and the like go to work loving poo poo up that the house and senate will just vote yea on anyhow.
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JacksLibido posted:I would say it's significantly harder to get into equivalent positions though. Of all the people I know who've gotten out at their 8 year mark (I'm a 12R), every one of them has taken a pay cut. I don't have a single friend from college or who got out of the AF who makes more than me, barring pilots who got out at 10 to fly commercial... but you're talking management. Well you did join the Air Force. As a counter example and general service elitism everyone I know who got out of the Navy after 6 or 8 years got a pay raise doing it.
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took it to PMs since it has nothing to do with the thread
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