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ringu0
Feb 24, 2013


spit on my clit posted:

Is there any point to having Flash any more?

Google Play Music

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~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
I thought that Google Play Music worked in FF without Flash now.

astral
Apr 26, 2004

~Coxy posted:

I thought that Google Play Music worked in FF without Flash now.

Not for me at least (win10/firefox release version). Every so often I look into it again and get disappointed.

The Dark One
Aug 19, 2005

I'm your friend and I'm not going to just stand by and let you do this!
How can I get firefox to play .wav files natively, instead of loading up the VLC plugin? I've tried setting it to default and "always ask" and it still prompts me to use VLC.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


spit on my clit posted:

Is there any point to having Flash any more?

The original Frog Fractions? :shrug:

JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free

spit on my clit posted:

Is there any point to having Flash any more?

Porn

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

Porn has to work on iPads.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

spit on my clit posted:

Is there any point to having Flash any more?
I reinstalled a fresh Windows 7 a month ago, and so far, I haven't missed it. I'm using a mix of FF and Chrome.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



There's a separate instance of Flash built into Windows that works in Edge and Internet Explorer. Don't know if that's from Windows 8 on or what. It gets updated silently with Windows Update. I'm sure as hell not installing Adobe's piece of poo poo manually just for Firefox and the minute amount of sites I use that can't seem to get with the times.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
I installed fedora several months ago on my laptop, it fedora doesn't even have flash in repos I think, took me over a month to even notice it's not installed.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


I haven't deployed Adobe Flash to Win10 ever.

Ticket comes in: "Flash-using site X doesn't work in Firefox."

Reply: "Intentional. Use Edge for that site." <close>

The moment the last systems without Edge are gone in my environments is the moment I rejoice in having one less POS package to manage in sccm.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Truga posted:

I installed fedora several months ago on my laptop, it fedora doesn't even have flash in repos I think, took me over a month to even notice it's not installed.
No Linux repo will (legally) have Flash, because of Adobe's licensing. There is a Adobe-maintained Flash repo available for Fedora if you Google it, but yeah you're not missing much. I still have it installed for the handful of sites that still use it for video, and because I don't really see any reason to not have it installed now that it's click-to-activate. Because of that I don't think it's the huge security risk it used to be.

WattsvilleBlues
Jan 25, 2005

Every demon wants his pound of flesh
I still come across sites requiring Flash, like the BBC News website for the live news channel.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!
On Linux, if you absolutely must have Flash, it's probably best to run Chrome (not Chromium) for that one site. The new NPAPI releases are essentially an afterthought, whereas the PPAPI release is the same as the Windows and Mac releases (unless you use Speex for whatever reason).

bronin
Oct 15, 2009

use it or throw it away
I went back to Firefox after a couple of months of using Chrome. One thing I noticed is that pages with lots of animated gifs tax the CPU heavily. Opening 2 or 3 pages of the SA gif thread cause the CPU to be at 100% load. Firefox then becomes unresponsive. This never happened with Chrome.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

bronin posted:

I went back to Firefox after a couple of months of using Chrome. One thing I noticed is that pages with lots of animated gifs tax the CPU heavily. Opening 2 or 3 pages of the SA gif thread cause the CPU to be at 100% load. Firefox then becomes unresponsive. This never happened with Chrome.

Are you using an old or ESR version of firefox? For a while they had a problem with their rendering engine where gifs that started off-screen would try to "catch up" when scrolled into view, causing the browser to lock for a while at 100% load. It was really annoying.

Other than that, if you're on a machine with limited CPU power then chrome is probably better. Chrome's image & video system is much more optimized than FF's, at the cost of higher memory use. On my old junky C2D laptop FF can't do 720p youtubes without frame dropping, chrome is generally ok (and VLC doesn't even peg the CPU).

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
I'm on 50.x and I've had similar issues since I moved to 64-bit back around 45. Right now it's fine, but sometimes a handful of avatars or thread tags will max out a core until I restart the browser.

astral
Apr 26, 2004

bronin posted:

I went back to Firefox after a couple of months of using Chrome. One thing I noticed is that pages with lots of animated gifs tax the CPU heavily. Opening 2 or 3 pages of the SA gif thread cause the CPU to be at 100% load. Firefox then becomes unresponsive. This never happened with Chrome.

Next time this happens you can see if they are really animated gifs, or if they're embedded gifv/gfycat videos. The latter aren't usually hardware-accelerated and, last I checked, they still render even if out of view.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
Yeah, "gifv" is usually a WebM format video, and that's a trash format that isn't accelerated on most consumer hardware. You can try disabling them by setting the media.webm.enabled value in about:config to false - this will usually force those sites to fall back to mp4 format videos that get accelerated or regular animated gifs which may or may not work for you.

Of course this is going to break that actually is just in webm. But that's not much.

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf
Nah, it's an actual problem. I'm on 51 beta right now and I see it. Just open up an SA subforum with animating tags and look at the CPU load. It will probably be using a full core just to animate the stupid gifs.

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

Nalin posted:

Nah, it's an actual problem. I'm on 51 beta right now and I see it. Just open up an SA subforum with animating tags and look at the CPU load. It will probably be using a full core just to animate the stupid gifs.

I can look at an entire page of gifs and still be under 20% total utilization, so most of one core on my 4x cpu. And it doesn't even push the CPU multiplier all the way up in cpuz (bounces around between x28 and x32 of the maximum x34).

Are you actually getting slowdown from looking at a bunch of gifs, or are you just watching the windows performance monitor and tsk-tsking?


Also if multi-threading is turned on, I would not be at all surprised by additional CPU load.

Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf

Klyith posted:

or are you just watching the windows performance monitor and tsk-tsking?

This. I have multi-threading enabled so I see two Firefox processes. If a page has a fast animating gif, one of the processes hovers around 20-25% utilization. I mean, it's not enough to kick my CPU into overdrive, but a page without any animated gifs uses only 1-4% CPU. It is a very stark difference. Something involving animated gifs is not very efficient in Firefox.

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

The smilie page totally loving murders my work laptop.

bronin
Oct 15, 2009

use it or throw it away

Klyith posted:

Are you using an old or ESR version of firefox? For a while they had a problem with their rendering engine where gifs that started off-screen would try to "catch up" when scrolled into view, causing the browser to lock for a while at 100% load. It was really annoying.

Other than that, if you're on a machine with limited CPU power then chrome is probably better. Chrome's image & video system is much more optimized than FF's, at the cost of higher memory use. On my old junky C2D laptop FF can't do 720p youtubes without frame dropping, chrome is generally ok (and VLC doesn't even peg the CPU).

My PC has an i5 2500 so if that isn't enough to render a few gifs I don't know what is.
I get the same problem at work but the PCs there use some old lovely AMD CPUs. Latest Firefox on both PCs.

dont be mean to me
May 2, 2007

I'm interplanetary, bitch
Let's go to Mars


Nothing really exists to foist GIF rendering off to the GPU. On the other hand, depending on the codec, many current (last year or three) CPUs and GPUs can accelerated-decode VP8/9 just fine.

Video COULD slow down Firefox if it's rendering GIFV or WebM in like ten background tabs in the same window-specific page-rendering process. If it IS that, you might try making videos not autostart in background tabs (set media.block-play-until-visible true in about :config).

dont be mean to me fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jan 4, 2017

Wheany
Mar 17, 2006

Spinyahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Doctor Rope

Wheany posted:

The smilie page totally loving murders my work laptop.

On my home computer FF stays responsive, but it takes a 5-10 second breather while loading that page where no gifs animate and no new gifs get rendered. Scrolling works and stays smooth, the page does not appear to have any unrendered parts apart from the gifs when this happens.

I'm not sure about the settings on my work laptop, but on the home computer it's 64 bits with electrolysis enabled.

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

The smilies page used to stop my entire browser for 10+ seconds, but I just found out that it's HTTPS Everywhere's fault. :iiam:

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.

cebrail posted:

The smilies page used to stop my entire browser for 10+ seconds, but I just found out that it's HTTPS Everywhere's fault. :iiam:

Back when HTTPS was rolled out here on SA it was really slow for me. Eventually I figured it that it was the "SSL Observatory" feature of HTTPS Everywhere (which was reporting the certificate for each individual avatar, emote, etc, as a separate connection which was obviously slow) and turning that feature off fixed it.

Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 5, 2017

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice
HTTPS Everywhere is an add-on that I want to like, but it breaks way too much stuff in annoying and unpredictable ways that don't immediately make you think "I should turn off HTTPS Everywhere and try again."

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
I yanked Privacy Badger a while ago for similar reasons. I'm not sure if it says more about the add-ons or the prevalence of cack-handed web design.

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy
Say hello

https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/arrival/





Nalin
Sep 29, 2007

Hair Elf
I work for Mozilla's grumpy cat division.

Bieeanshee
Aug 21, 2000

Not keen on keening.


Grimey Drawer
I'm the one flicking birds out of the air with the hand of an rear end in a top hat god.

Hargrimm
Sep 22, 2011

W A R R E N
Is the entirety of Mozilla's branding team incapable of using Google?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OK_(gesture)#Negative_connotation

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747


Why does the taskmaster show two instances of firefox?

Tamba
Apr 5, 2010

spit on my clit posted:



Why does the taskmaster show two instances of firefox?

http://www.ghacks.net/2016/07/22/multi-process-firefox/

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747

Thank you.

dud root
Mar 30, 2008
Anyway to make a search term (search as you type) persist across tabs? I want to change tab and hit F3

Klyith
Aug 3, 2007

GBS Pledge Week

dud root posted:

Anyway to make a search term (search as you type) persist across tabs? I want to change tab and hit F3

Findbar Tweak extension

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JohnnyCanuck
May 28, 2004

Strong And/Or Free
This is probably an extension issue (willing to bet Tab Mix Plus has something to do with it), and I haven't done any troubleshooting yet, but I figured I'd ask you guys first!

I have a bookmark folder with about 25 links in it (webcomix). I'll often middle-click to open everything in the folder up in tabs. Since 50.x, it seems to display the following behaviour:

1) The tabs don't actually load until I click on them
2) They'll often load a cached version of the page until I refresh, even if browser.cache.check_doc_frequency is set to 1.

Has anyone seen anything similar?

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