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How can an adult like that kind of stuff? Magic tricks are for kids.
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oldpainless posted:How can an adult like that kind of stuff? trix are for kids.
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Jan 4, 2017 07:07
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Nuebot posted:Know what we need? A superboy prime movie. please do not troll me, i am a delicate flower
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Jan 4, 2017 07:09
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One thing that annoyed the poo poo out of me from The Force Awakens was how they go to great length to let the audience know that the new stormtroopers (and new order personnel in general???) are literally abducted as children and indoctrinated into giving their lives for the order. Seems kinda grim while also being completely retarded. I know it's star wars and things should be ever so slightly retarded, but I think this is just bad loving writing. Makes the bad faction seem needlessly shallow. Maybe its just me but the kinda same thing annoyed me about the prequels, how having the enemies be completely expendable robots made everything the good guys (the clones, which are a whole other ethical problem in themselves) did completely inconsequential and as a result the story and setting as a whole was hurt.
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Jan 4, 2017 09:30
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It's also not any more grim than what the Jedi Order did to children with high midichlorian counts.
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Jan 4, 2017 10:45
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oldpainless posted:How can an adult like that kind of stuff? Magic tricks are for kids. oldpainless more like oldwonderless
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Jan 4, 2017 10:47
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Biplane posted:One thing that annoyed the poo poo out of me from The Force Awakens was how they go to great length to let the audience know that the new stormtroopers (and new order personnel in general???) are literally abducted as children and indoctrinated into giving their lives for the order. Seems kinda grim while also being completely retarded. I know it's star wars and things should be ever so slightly retarded, but I think this is just bad loving writing. Makes the bad faction seem needlessly shallow. Maybe its just me but the kinda same thing annoyed me about the prequels, how having the enemies be completely expendable robots made everything the good guys (the clones, which are a whole other ethical problem in themselves) did completely inconsequential and as a result the story and setting as a whole was hurt. Didn't they re-write rogue one because they were afraid it was too sympathetic to terrorists? Basically it seems like they're really, really afraid of not having their badguys be like Bad Guys and their good guys unquestionable heroes. And if that lava fortress in rogue one is anything to go by, we'll be seeing some literal doom forts in the future. I hope that snoke guy turns out to be skeletor. Inspector Gesicht posted:I was annoyed with VII because halfway through the movie another Death Star shows up, which blows up a star-system we've never heard of, and then the rest of the movie is a retread of IV. The search for Luke would have sustained the movie enough. After Rogue One the fact that the Empire/New Order can easily conjure up more of these super-weapons just makes the sacrifices of Rogue One feel redundant. Don't forget that the new weapon is actually bigger than the death star, it's an entire planet. Death Star was just moon-sized. Nuebot has a new favorite as of 11:28 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 10:48
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I was annoyed with VII because halfway through the movie another Death Star shows up, which blows up a star-system we've never heard of, and then the rest of the movie is a retread of IV. The search for Luke would have sustained the movie enough. After Rogue One the fact that the Empire/New Order can easily conjure up more of these super-weapons just makes the sacrifices of Rogue One feel redundant.
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Jan 4, 2017 11:13
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All Star Wars movies from now on are going to be focus grouped for maximum profitability.
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Jan 4, 2017 12:28
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Considering the only other option got us loving Jar Jar, I am surprisingly ok with that.
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Jan 4, 2017 13:33
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:Considering the only other option got us loving Jar Jar, I am surprisingly ok with that. And, you know, Luke, Vader, Han, Leia, R2-D2, Chewie, Yoda, etc...
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Jan 4, 2017 13:41
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Tiggum posted:What? No I'm not. Are you saying that people don't like seeing how magic tricks are done? Because there have been successful TV shows based entirely around revealing how magic tricks are done. Look in any book shop and you'll find books telling you how magic tricks are done. It's a popular way to enjoy magic tricks. True, Teller was a poor example. He doesn't reveal all tricks. Just some. It's tradecraft. Like playing poker. After watching the video of Penn getting mad at the guy that does a trick that I know how to do about 30 times, I finally figured out why he yelled. It's because he did it in a way where he knew what the dude did, but because it's tradecraft, couldn't reveal that he knew. I hate the how-to TV shows that reveal a trick that is basically exactly what you think it is. I prefer the cups and balls trick with clear cups. That's slight of hand with a carnival barker yammering. The "how to put a sexy woman in a box and switch her out with a tiger" is lame. It's just a trick and a rig.
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Jan 4, 2017 14:04
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dordreff posted:Tactile Telekinesis, which is basically just telekinesis but restricted to things he can touch. That's dumb as hell. Telekinesis literally means "distant movement" - moving something you aren't touching. If you're touching it, it's not telekinesis.
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Jan 4, 2017 14:24
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Jedit posted:That's dumb as hell. Telekinesis literally means "distant movement" - moving something you aren't touching. If you're touching it, it's not telekinesis. The etymology of a word does not define its meaning. Telekinesis means moving stuff with your mind. Tactile telekinesis means moving stuff with your mind but only while you're touching it.
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Jan 4, 2017 14:31
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Mu Zeta posted:It's also not any more grim than what the Jedi Order did to children with high midichlorian counts. There's a difference in being taken in to become a badass jedi vs becoming just another soldier.
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Jan 4, 2017 15:26
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Here's my IIMM - what is the end game of rule the world types once they succeed? Like, take the Emperor, since we're talking Star Wars. Assuming he wins and defeats the Rebellion, what is life like for him? How is his average day spent? Overseeing bureaucracy? Is that fun for him? Congrats, you rule the galaxy. Now spend all your time and energy making sure the space trains run on time.
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Jan 4, 2017 15:37
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WampaLord posted:Here's my IIMM - what is the end game of rule the world types once they succeed? I've wondered the same thing about Sauron in Lord of the Rings. Okay so he beats everybody and rules Middle-Earth. What does he do then? Just report back to Morgoth or whoever, twiddling his thumbs at his desk? Hell, what does an all-orc economy even look like? Do they beat their swords into plows and start farming? How's that different from what came before? Do they subjugate the goblins? Build boats and sail west to gently caress up the elves?
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Jan 4, 2017 15:42
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WampaLord posted:Here's my IIMM - what is the end game of rule the world types once they succeed?
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Jan 4, 2017 15:44
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WampaLord posted:Here's my IIMM - what is the end game of rule the world types once they succeed? IIRC (and this might be non-canon by now), part of the Emperor's motivation was to make the space trains run on time, since the Republic had gotten so bloated and corrupt it was barely governing. That's why it took twenty years and an exploded planet for the Rebellion to get going.
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Jan 4, 2017 15:53
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I'm rewatching House and it still gets me how horribly they handed Kal Penn leaving the show
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Jan 4, 2017 16:00
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Serf posted:I've wondered the same thing about Sauron in Lord of the Rings. Okay so he beats everybody and rules Middle-Earth. What does he do then? Just report back to Morgoth or whoever, twiddling his thumbs at his desk? Hell, what does an all-orc economy even look like? Do they beat their swords into plows and start farming? How's that different from what came before? Do they subjugate the goblins? Build boats and sail west to gently caress up the elves? Well, on the upside, it would mean no more loving elf poetry and songs. Unless Orcish poetry is worse, which I really doubt. And couldn't he go on to conquer wherever the gently caress the elves hosed off to at the end? e: I'd also like to see Tom Bombadil get his, the hippy oval office. tight aspirations has a new favorite as of 16:10 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 16:05
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Len posted:I'm rewatching House and it still gets me how horribly they handed Kal Penn leaving the show To be fair he did drop them in poo poo quite suddenly, so the rewrite had to be done equally fast. 
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Jan 4, 2017 16:33
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WampaLord posted:Here's my IIMM - what is the end game of rule the world types once they succeed? Why has any conqueror in history done what they've done?
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Jan 4, 2017 16:46
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RagnarokAngel posted:Why has any conqueror in history done what they've done? Yea but no one's ever finished conquering before. I'm interested in the aftermath.
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Jan 4, 2017 16:48
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Biplane posted:One thing that annoyed the poo poo out of me from The Force Awakens was how they go to great length to let the audience know that the new stormtroopers (and new order personnel in general???) are literally abducted as children and indoctrinated into giving their lives for the order. Seems kinda grim while also being completely retarded. I know it's star wars and things should be ever so slightly retarded, but I think this is just bad loving writing. Makes the bad faction seem needlessly shallow. Maybe its just me but the kinda same thing annoyed me about the prequels, how having the enemies be completely expendable robots made everything the good guys (the clones, which are a whole other ethical problem in themselves) did completely inconsequential and as a result the story and setting as a whole was hurt. One advantage the robots had was that they actually showed the Jedi fighting them. The Star Wars Rebels cartoon has the same issue. While they're happy to blast away at Stormtroopers in the show they never really use their lightsabers on them. But they had one episode with a leftover battalion of Clone Wars droids and they sliced and diced in that one.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:09
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WampaLord posted:Yea but no one's ever finished conquering before. I'm interested in the aftermath. It always annoyed me too. What can you do as the emperor of the galaxy that you couldn't do as the emperor of 100 planets? Realistically there's a limit to how many gold toilets you have time to poo poo in.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:14
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Aphrodite posted:One advantage the robots had was that they actually showed the Jedi fighting them. I remember in some of the initial art for Star Wars the lightsaber was a common weapon that stormtroopers used too. Could've had some sick Three Musketeers style laser sword duels. Droids are far superior as opponents in Star Wars anyways, as they are sympathetic antagonists and can be destroyed willy-nilly on screen with no ratings repercussions. See: the insane war-crime execution scenes of in Transformers 3.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:16
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Car chases Not the idea of the chase, but the way they're shown in movies. They're swerving all over the road, often while shooting at each other and/or fighting in the same vehicle, with sparks flying everywhere. AND YET THE TRAFFIC BEHIND THEM KEEPS MOVING. *thump* "Oh poo poo I just ran over that guy who was thrown from that van in front of me. Well, I better keep on driving, I don't want to inconvenience anyone behind ME!" Really?
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Jan 4, 2017 17:43
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WampaLord posted:Here's my IIMM - what is the end game of rule the world types once they succeed? I think the Emperor's ultimate goal is immortality - he has that line in Episode III about how only his master learned how to cheat death but he can work it out with Anakin's help. I remember before the old EU was jettisoned by Disney it had a bunch of stuff about how the Empire fell apart really quickly after he died because a) he encouraged his minions to compete self-destructively with one another to prevent any of them from becoming a threat to him; and b) he just never bothered to create a system that would outlast him because he planned to live forever.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:51
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the Emperor's ultimate goal is immortality - he has that line in Episode III about how only his master learned how to cheat death but he can work it out with Anakin's help. Okay, fine, but my question still applies. What do you DO all day as immortal Emperor of the galaxy? Regulate space trade? I don't picture someone who has enough ambition to become ruler of everything being content with that. Does he just work in his chair all the time when not sleeping? Does he treat it like a 9-5 and he goes home and watches TV? I have so many questions! WampaLord has a new favorite as of 17:56 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Jan 4, 2017 17:53
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WampaLord posted:Okay, fine, but my question still applies. What do you DO all day as immortal Emperor of the galaxy? Regulate space trade? 420 blaze all day
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Jan 4, 2017 17:57
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Wheat Loaf posted:I think the Emperor's ultimate goal is immortality - he has that line in Episode III about how only his master learned how to cheat death but he can work it out with Anakin's help. He also used Jedi Battle Meditation to keep his troops in line so the second he died panic swept through the ranks. I don't remember what I got that from. Dark Empire? I know that one has him come back in a clone body and he tries to possess the third Solo child Leia is pregnant with.
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Jan 4, 2017 17:59
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WampaLord posted:Okay, fine, but my question still applies. What do you DO all day as immortal Emperor of the galaxy? Regulate space trade? I don't think his end goal was actually immortality. That was a carrot on a stick to get Anakin on his side. He really just wants to destroy the Jedi, and suppress the light side of the Force for as long as possible through his reign. And in the end he was all part of a larger prophecy that required him to achieve those goals.
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Jan 4, 2017 18:00
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Len posted:He also used Jedi Battle Meditation to keep his troops in line so the second he died panic swept through the ranks. It's a theory Thrawn comes up with in the Heir to the Empire trilogy. Serf posted:I don't think his end goal was actually immortality. That was a carrot on a stick to get Anakin on his side. He really just wants to destroy the Jedi, and suppress the light side of the Force for as long as possible through his reign. And in the end he was all part of a larger prophecy that required him to achieve those goals. Again, what does this actually look like? What is the day-to-day of "suppressing the Light Side of the force?"
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Jan 4, 2017 18:05
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Someone in another thread said another book ended up making it true, but it was an Imperial admiral and not the Emperor himself.
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Jan 4, 2017 18:06
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WampaLord posted:Again, what does this actually look like? What is the day-to-day of "suppressing the Light Side of the force?" Mostly what we saw in the movies. Jackbooted thugs running around keeping the people down. The Death Star was intended to do away with the jackbooted thugs entirely and allow rule through a single point of insurmountable power. Fear and terror inspire darkness in people, but in the end this approach worked against him, as it was supposed to.
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Jan 4, 2017 18:09
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WampaLord posted:Again, what does this actually look like? What is the day-to-day of "suppressing the Light Side of the force?" Fun fact: before Andy Serkis mentions it in TFA, none of the movies refer to "the light side of the Force". Luke says he can turn Vader back to "the good side" but aside from that, a lot of the supplemental materials (particularly, IIRC, the ones Lucas was most involved with) tended to refer to "the Force and its dark side" and the idea was that the Jedi were meant to preserve the balance of the Force, which was disrupted by the dark side and the Sith, so Anakin would bring balance to the Force by destroying the Sith.
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Jan 4, 2017 18:10
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Y'all are very bad at answering questions.
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Jan 4, 2017 18:12
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Biplane posted:Maybe its just me but the kinda same thing annoyed me about the prequels, how having the enemies be completely expendable robots made everything the good guys (the clones, which are a whole other ethical problem in themselves) did completely inconsequential and as a result the story and setting as a whole was hurt. The entire concept of the clone wars as portrayed in the prequels just pisses me right off. In Star Wars, Obi-Wan says to Luke "I fought with your father in the Clone Wars" and that's all that needs to be said. The implication is clear: obviously someone was making an army of cloned soldiers to take over the galaxy, and Obi-Wan and Anakin Skywalker worked together to fight them off. Hordes of identical monsters, when one falls another one just like it takes its place, and there's no limit to how many there might be. Awesome. Then in the prequels we discover that no, actually the Clone Wars were called that because the clones were the good guys, at least until they weren't the good guys any more, and the bad guys were, I dunno, robots and bugs or something? And Obi-Wan fought alongside the clones, and also every stormtrooper is a clone, and also the clones are made from Boba Fett's dad. It's the kind of garbage that only Lucas could come up with. The story would have worked perfectly as clones = bad but noooooooooooo Serf posted:I remember in some of the initial art for Star Wars the lightsaber was a common weapon that stormtroopers used too. Could've had some sick Three Musketeers style laser sword duels. Yep. The stormtroopers have a little tube mounted on their armor at the small of the back that was originally supposed to be a holster for a lightsaber, or possibly the lightsaber itself. (I think it's been retconned as a grenade or something).  Note the similarity to what he's holding here: 
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Sagebrush posted:The entire concept of the clone wars as portrayed in the prequels just pisses me right off. It's a nice subversion of expectations, and I like that about it. It is a little strange because wars are usually named in specific ways by the victors i.e. the French and Indian War. Should've been called the Droid War. Also stormtroopers aren't clones.
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