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The_Rob posted:You should watch her coverage on Trayvon Martin. I meant "of the fox viewership," not literally everyone. How favorably is she viewed by Ethiopian youths?
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Tonight on Fox. A very special interview. "I believe every word he says."
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Ceiling fan posted:Tonight on Fox. A very special interview. I believe Assange more than the CIA.
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A Deacon posted:I believe Assange more than the CIA. Depends on the subject matter, but GENERALLY same. I don't in this instance, but whatever.
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Jan 3, 2017 22:21
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While the CIA and other US intelligence agencies may be shady as gently caress, they're at least marginally more reputable than Julian "my internet connection went down as a ploy to lure me outside" Assange and Wikileaks (soon to be Wikileaks.ru)
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Xelkelvos posted:While the CIA and other US intelligence agencies may be shady as gently caress, they're at least marginally more reputable than Julian "my internet connection went down as a ploy to lure me outside" Assange and Wikileaks (soon to be Wikileaks.ru) You come across as an easily exploitable, ignorant person. There still hasn't been an iota of evidence released by the CIA regarding MUH RUSSIAN hacking. This is the same agency that has lied to and manipulated the media into convincing the American people to go to war in Iraq and Vietnam. A new Cold War accompanied with numerous proxy wars with Russia is a loving gold mine for the MIC. Hillary lost on her own by ignoring the Rust Belt. So when Assange says Russia was not the source of the leak, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than the agency that has had a hard-on for war and regime change for the last 60 years.
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Mister Macys posted:Maddow will be gone before Trump's second term. Isn't this for a different network from MSNBC? All the articles say NBC News which I thought was, at this point, separate from MSNBC.
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A Deacon posted:You come across as an easily exploitable, ignorant person. There still hasn't been an iota of evidence released by the CIA regarding MUH RUSSIAN hacking. This is the same agency that has lied to and manipulated the media into convincing the American people to go to war in Iraq and Vietnam. A new Cold War accompanied with numerous proxy wars with Russia is a loving gold mine for the MIC. Hillary lost on her own by ignoring the Rust Belt. So when Assange says Russia was not the source of the leak, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than the agency that has had a hard-on for war and regime change for the last 60 years. assange is so scared of the us government he's been hiding in a closet for four years, he's a retard and nothing he says is credulous. it's very likely the cia is correct just because assange said they weren't, that's how loving dumb assange is
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A Deacon posted:You come across as an easily exploitable, ignorant person. There still hasn't been an iota of evidence released by the CIA regarding MUH RUSSIAN hacking. This is the same agency that has lied to and manipulated the media into convincing the American people to go to war in Iraq and Vietnam. A new Cold War accompanied with numerous proxy wars with Russia is a loving gold mine for the MIC. Hillary lost on her own by ignoring the Rust Belt. So when Assange says Russia was not the source of the leak, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than the agency that has had a hard-on for war and regime change for the last 60 years. Spy agencies aren't notorious for leaking either their proof or how they loving got it... that gets people killed, man. That being said, it's also why spy agencies aren't generally in the business of politics or public opinion. That also gets people killed, man.
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xeria posted:Isn't this for a different network from MSNBC? All the articles say NBC News which I thought was, at this point, separate from MSNBC. I thought MSNBC was the ESPN 3 to NBC's ESPN. 
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A Deacon posted:You come across as an easily exploitable, ignorant person. There still hasn't been an iota of evidence released by the CIA regarding MUH RUSSIAN hacking. This is the same agency that has lied to and manipulated the media into convincing the American people to go to war in Iraq and Vietnam. This is a strange line of argument. The manipulation was coming from the office of the Vice President. Same people that lashed out at CIA agents when people questioned where this bullshit was going. Remember Valerie plame? Remember Cheney's office of special plans? It wasn't the agency that lied us into iraq, it was the White House. And that same line comes from trump who proceeds to float John loving Bolton for the state department?
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She's getting a Sunday magazine show whose closest straight-newsmagazine competition (60 Minutes) will demolish her on a network that's only ever been able to make newstainment murder porn work on that night, and a daytime show. Honestly this feels like Megyn Kelly going away.
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A Deacon posted:You come across as an easily exploitable, ignorant person. There still hasn't been an iota of evidence released by the CIA regarding MUH RUSSIAN hacking. This is the same agency that has lied to and manipulated the media into convincing the American people to go to war in Iraq and Vietnam. A new Cold War accompanied with numerous proxy wars with Russia is a loving gold mine for the MIC. Hillary lost on her own by ignoring the Rust Belt. So when Assange says Russia was not the source of the leak, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt rather than the agency that has had a hard-on for war and regime change for the last 60 years. Yikes
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Ron Jeremy posted:This is a strange line of argument. The manipulation was coming from the office of the Vice President. Same people that lashed out at CIA agents when people questioned where this bullshit was going. Remember Valerie plame? Remember Cheney's office of special plans? It wasn't the agency that lied us into iraq, it was the White House. He's either a troll or a True Believer.
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A Deacon posted:I believe Assange more than the CIA. Though up till about 3 months ago wasn't he swearing he had no idea where the leak came from? I recall him saying it was completely anonymous, and that this mysterious source demanded he could only release bits of the leak when told when to do so. If Russia is at all competent he'd have no way to know it came from them anyway. Unless you think the Russian intelligence service doesn't go through intermediaries. The most insane thing to me is that the hacks should be investigated whether or not you think it was Russia. Because if it wasn't, someone wanted it to look similar to previous hacks against anti-russian interests.
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Crowdstrike called the Russians as the perpetrator of the DNC hack months ago, back when the news first broke, and explained their reasoning and evidence then. The continual insistence on pretending that that never happened and the CIA is just saying "The Ruskies did it, honest, trust us" is bizarre.
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Pope Guilty posted:Crowdstrike called the Russians as the perpetrator of the DNC hack months ago, back when the news first broke, and explained their reasoning and evidence then. The continual insistence on pretending that that never happened and the CIA is just saying "The Ruskies did it, honest, trust us" is bizarre. If there's a gov organization worth following up with a second opinion, it's the CIA. (Fortunately, they were backed up by over a dozen other orgs.) They used spy cats. Spy cats.
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Karl Rove you lying piece of poo poo rear end in a top hat, it is public knowledge that the loving Republicans literally did nothing but obstruct Obama! Why do you think that you can loving lie about that and expect not to get chewed out for it?! 
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Chimera-gui posted:Karl Rove you lying piece of poo poo rear end in a top hat, it is public knowledge that the loving Republicans literally did nothing but obstruct Obama! Why do you think that you can loving lie about that and expect not to get chewed out for it?! Because he can and did just get away with it. Republicans are sheep who gladly ignore reality.
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Chimera-gui posted:Karl Rove you lying piece of poo poo rear end in a top hat, it is public knowledge that the loving Republicans literally did nothing but obstruct Obama! Why do you think that you can loving lie about that and expect not to get chewed out for it?! Why would people start now?
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Chimera-gui posted:Karl Rove you lying piece of poo poo rear end in a top hat, it is public knowledge that the loving Republicans literally did nothing but obstruct Obama! Why do you think that you can loving lie about that and expect not to get chewed out for it?! What, you don't remember all those times the GOP gave Obama the opportunity to compromise with them on social and economic issues, but he just kept on pushing radical socialist policies? Yeah, me neither, but I bet the right does.
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As time goes on and Bill Mitchell proves to be every bit the starry-eyed Pollyanna about Trump he was during the election the more precious I find him in these moments. I want to protect him from the awful people he now finds himself surrounded by but I know I can't. 
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http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/01/books-liberty-oriented-economics-young-people.htmlquote:Books on liberty-oriented economics for young people famous economist recommends libertarian picture books for preteen children
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icantfindaname posted:http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/01/books-liberty-oriented-economics-young-people.html Best libertarian picture books, based on my extensive readings: "The Little Red Hen" (Little Golden Book) in which a hen bakes some bread while whining that no-one will help her then eats the whole drat loaf because she isn't going to share it with any "takers" "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie" (Laura Numenoff) in which a greedy mouse takes advantage of a little boy's generosity by making ever larger and more ridiculous demands.
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icantfindaname posted:http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/01/books-liberty-oriented-economics-young-people.html The Road to Surfdom is paved with tubular waves, bro.
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Republicans posted:As time goes on and Bill Mitchell proves to be every bit the starry-eyed Pollyanna about Trump he was during the election the more precious I find him in these moments. I want to protect him from the awful people he now finds himself surrounded by but I know I can't. I do generally wonder how many Trump supporters thought that being called "deplorable" was silly and genuinely didn't see the issues within their own group. People are horrible at self-policing. How man people didn't recognize that the KKK and Neo-nazis (sorry, "alt-right") had been so prevalent in their group?
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I'm fairly certain if you polled Trump supporters they would feel that as whites they are more unfairly treated by the system through a combination of "reverse racist" policies such as affirmative action and the myth that welfare is distributed to minorities in greater amounts. In addition black people are more racist since even mentioning racist things is perceived as a racist attack against white people. Black people being treated unfairly is either a myth to scam foolish liberals or in the case of police shootings they deserve it because obviously there "must be something before the video." The people rolling around in the deplorable poo poo was half people being open with their bigotry and half idiots that were co-opting the message since the very idea that they were actually terrible people (which was the truth) was so absurd to them that they could own the phrase and make fun of it.
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So, basically, all republicans are awful, awful people and Trump supporters are worse? What a surprise.
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 Americans of both parties are still pretty racist. It's something this country doesn't want to deal with at all because the idea is probably the most offensive thing to all white people. When idiots try and compare "cracker" with the N word it's ridiculous since they aren't comparable in any way. Calling a white person a Racist however is something you really can't say without risking a lot of political and social damage despite the omnipresent idea that you can just use that word and win all arguments.
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Radish posted:
Ugh, tell me about it. Just last week, I got stuck in an argument where a bunch of people were trying to say how the "n word" wasn't bad and it's weird we treat it as such a bad thing and how it'd be better if we could all say it and no one would care. Tried to explain the whole "the word has a bad history," the "African Americans in the 80s (?) made the argument the word was a bad one and using it implies your complicit in their mistreatment", and many other points and got sent back "the only reason no one says it is because they are afraid of getting stabbed." Add all that on top of me eventually just going "man, isn't it fun to be the only non-white person in this discussion and everyone telling me I'm wrong and the actually racist one." "Oh, you're not white. I guess I didn't notice because I don't just see race." At that point, just loving left. Seriously, if we don't stand up and do some real MLK/Malcolm X pushes in America, we are never going to see an end to racism. We really need powerful leaders like that again.
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Covok posted:Ugh, tell me about it. Just last week, I got stuck in an argument where a bunch of people were trying to say how the "n word" wasn't bad and it's weird we treat it as such a bad thing and how it'd be better if we could all say it and no one would care. Tried to explain the whole "the word has a bad history," the "African Americans in the 80s (?) made the argument the word was a bad one and using it implies your complicit in their mistreatment", and many other points and got sent back "the only reason no one says it is because they are afraid of getting stabbed." Add all that on top of me eventually just going "man, isn't it fun to be the only non-white person in this discussion and everyone telling me I'm wrong and the actually racist one." "Oh, you're not white. I guess I didn't notice because I don't just see race." At that point, just loving left. Seriously, if we don't stand up and do some real MLK/Malcolm X pushes in America, we are never going to see an end to racism. We really need powerful leaders like that again. gently caress, I'd support a new Black Panther movement complete with an armed takeover of a government building given that fear of Blacks is about the only way White people tend to ever react.
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I'm incredibly white and have had no real luck trying to explain to other white people that racism even exists on a systematic level. Once you even try and explain how the system isn't even they totally shut down to all arguments because either "they don't see race" or "that was settled years ago." The idea that they have an easier time than other people based on traits they were born with is so fundamentally offensive to them they just will not believe it. Part of this is due to our lovely system where they are somewhat right in that they had to work hard to get where they got and often got screwed along the way. They just have no concept that maybe other people had to deal with that and worse. Another part is the myth that America is this prosperity gospel land where you get out what you put in and are only punished if you deserve it. I have absolutely no idea how to get through that because the well has been so poisoned by racist media in general. Had a person explain to me that since Trump abandoned his racist rhetoric after the primary (which he actually did not but this person would not concede that point) his supporters could not be called racists because obviously they were more concerned with his other ideas. To him racism was something that you can just not be when you decide to and not something intrinsic to your country or identity which takes real work to overcome. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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Radish posted:I'm incredibly white and have had no real luck trying to explain to other white people that racism even exists on a systematic level. Once you even try and explain how the system isn't even they totally shut down to all arguments because either "they don't see race" or "that was settled years ago." The idea that they have an easier time than other people based on traits they were born with is so fundamentally offensive to them they just will not believe it. Part of this is due to our lovely system where they are somewhat right in that they had to work hard to get where they got and often got screwed along the way. They just have no concept that maybe other people had to deal with that and worse. Another part is the myth that America is this prosperity gospel land where you get out what you put in and are only punished if you deserve it. I have absolutely no idea how to get through that because the well has been so poisoned by racist media in general. By giving more minorities guns and making it clear we won't be terrorized or belittled anymore. By getting organized. By putting the fear of God into them. Never acting out in violence, never committing a crime, never doing anything to discredit us, but showing we are not to be trifled with, not to be ignored, and that the problems are not solved and arguments of not seeing race will not fly.
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icantfindaname posted:http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2017/01/books-liberty-oriented-economics-young-people.html Oh my God....oh my God, I saw that name and I thought no, it couldn't be... I KNOW THAT GUY! Connor Boyack, the author of the Tuttle Twins book? I went to high school with that guy in Poway, CA. He was THE BIGGEST rich boy douche bag whose claim to fame was that his mom was on the city council. (Merrliee Boyack) He was famous for trying to peel out of the Junior parking lot in his mom's GMC Safari van and being the ugliest, shortest guy in the "popular kids" group that ate lunch near the Student Council office. Classic little guy syndrome, and if anyone reading this knows anything about the Poway and Rancho Bernardo area of San Diego, it will make COMPLETE AND TOTAL SENSE why it would produce just world douche bags who do not see why "those people" cannot just succeed in life like he and his contemporaries do. loving ridiculous. I need to troll this guy now. EDIT: Oh God, the endless 5-star reviews for these books on Amazon aren't biased or slanted AT ALL are they..wow... VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jan 4, 2017 |
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"I don't see race" is the biggest calling card for "IM A HUGE TOOL AND PROBABLY HAVE SOME TERRIBLE LOLBERTARIAN IDEAS FLOATING AROUND IN MY HEAD ABOUT GAME THEORY". It got brought up on Chapo, but Dan Nianan opened a set with "I bet you're all wondering what race I am, my father is Indian and my mom is Japanese", and their retort was "yeah, I'm the T1000 with the red pixelated overlay with crosshairs trying to identify everyone by race" which is poignant; identifying != acknowledging. The whole "I don't see race" is just shorthand for "I'm actually physically capable of seeing race, but I say I don't because it gives me an out to ignore the larger aspect of societal racial injustice and animosity in favor of my super acute micro aggression variant".
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"I don't see race" means "la LA LA I can't hear you." I respect people who drop slurs more than people who say that poo poo.
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