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Clark Nova
Jul 18, 2004

My life coach took time off from selling me business-friendly, aspirational platitudes so that she could birth an army of genetically superior Aryan ubermensch.

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Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


Lyrai posted:

Reading all of these terrible people makes me appreciate poo poo like http://imgur.com/gallery/DE10M this so much more.

I want to quote this again because for some reason I'm feeling better after reading these.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
Big lols all around that we've crafted a modern 1st world nation where having children during your prime child bearing years is an irresponsible decision that you will be punished for. Just lol.

Space Kablooey
May 6, 2009


:capitalism:

ziasquinn
Jan 1, 2006

Fallen Rib
Capitalism is good

Edit: nice ^^

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

Chomp8645 posted:

Big lols all around that we've crafted a modern 1st world nation where having children during your prime child bearing years is an irresponsible decision that you will be punished for. Just lol.
Sounds like a waste of your twenties to me - a lot of growing up happens in those ten years and I don't really see the benefit to starting early. I'm strictly wiser than I was at 22. There's not like, a child shortage, we have plenty.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jan 4, 2017

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


i mean its for the better its not like the world or any country really needs more people

Uncle Enzo
Apr 28, 2008

I always wanted to be a Wizard

Chomp8645 posted:

Big lols all around that we've crafted a modern 1st world nation where having children during your prime child bearing years is an irresponsible decision that you will be punished for. Just lol.

The US actually passed free universal childcare in 1971, but Nixon vetoed it because it was too much like communism

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Chomp8645 posted:

Big lols all around that we've crafted a modern 1st world nation where having children during your prime child bearing years is an irresponsible decision that you will be punished for. Just lol.

the punishment is a standard of living more comparable to every time and place in history where having a kid by your early 20s was the norm

children are tremendous drains on resources, who knew, maybe in the enlightened socialist future we'll all just lay a clutch of eggs and get on with our lives like snakes

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

the punishment is a standard of living more comparable to every time and place in history where having a kid by your early 20s was the norm

children are tremendous drains on resources, who knew, maybe in the enlightened socialist future we'll all just lay a clutch of eggs and get on with our lives like snakes

Finally the Millennial to Snake People extension makes sense.

Orange DeviI
Nov 9, 2011

by Hand Knit
I don't even wanna deal with my neko atsume cats after work let alone an actual child

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

the non-capitalist first-world countries have solved this problem by universally having a much higher mean age of first childbirth, which drops gradually as average poverty approaches Chad levels. You don't have to live like Chadians, redditors, you can reasonably expect to have at least thirty extra years to live!

A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Jan 4, 2017

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

the non-capitalist first-world countries have solved this problem by universally having a much higher mean age of first childbirth, which drops gradually as average poverty approaches Mozambique levels.

They also don't force abstinence only sex ed to be taught in their schools.

Bad sex ed -> oops pregnancy + religious objection to abortion = Unprepared parents

Tolkien minority
Feb 14, 2012


A Wizard of Goatse posted:

the non-capitalist first-world countries have solved this problem by universally having a much higher mean age of first childbirth, which drops gradually as average poverty approaches Chad levels. You don't have to live like Chadians, redditors, you can reasonably expect to have at least thirty extra years to live!

i read this like 5 times and could not parse what Chad (the dude who cucks incels) had anything to do with poverty. the internet broke my brain

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Tolkien minority posted:

i read this like 5 times and could not parse what Chad (the dude who cucks incels) had anything to do with poverty. the internet broke my brain

that dude is going to get loving destroyed by back child support and die in a gutter at, on average, 49.81 years

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Well, I have found him. The dumbest, stubbornest man.

How can I [24F] get over the fact that my husband [24M] won't wear his seatbelt?

quote:

First of all, I realize this is pretty ridiculous. We also do not have any major ongoing issues. We communicate well and we get through arguments relatively quickly aside from this one issue. He is a good man, and I respect him a great deal. This just drives me insane. I'm just at my wits end and need an outside perspective.

Second, let me say that this has been an ongoing debate for as long as we've been together. We've been together 8 years, married for over 3. We have a 1 year old.

He will not wear his seatbelt in the car unless I specifically ask him to. We have one of those cars that beeps annoyingly unless the driver wears their seatbelt. So he usually puts it on because he knows it drives me crazy. I am positive that he never wears it unless I'm in the car.

This bothers me because I feel it is in complete disregard for me and our child. What if he gets in an accident and he dies because he wasn't wearing his freakin seatbelt? I have tried every possible argument I can think of. I always come back to: "it's safer." To which he scoffs and rebuts with "no it's not." He is also an incredibly stubborn man and won't wear it because the government tells him to and it's not their place to make him do that.

I've also tried telling him that he could get a ticket and while it won't effect our insurance rates, we'll still have to pay for it and money is tight.

I'm frustrated and annoyed. How can I be ok with this?

Edit: let me be clear: he does wear his seatbelt when he is in the car with us because I ask him to. It's when he's alone that he won't wear it.

tl;dr: husband won't wear his seatbelt. How do I get over it?

Way to be an idiot for no reason and risk leaving your 1 year old fatherless because you can't take 2 seconds to put on a loving seatbelt.

zakharov
Nov 30, 2002

:kimchi: Tater Love :kimchi:
Never marry a libertarian.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

I've run into dudes before who are absolutely convinced seatbelts are unsafe because they are specifically going to get into an accident where the car is on fire or something and they can't unbuckle their seatbelt for some reason and roast to death, instead of being catapult-launched through their windshield when they smack into a deer/SUV like every other non-seatbelt-wearing imbecile on the road

i imagine there's a huge overlap with guys who distribute little gun caches through their house so they'll always be prepared when the assassins come crashing through the windows, then let their kids/drunk buddies hang out in the living room with a loaded shotgun wedged in the sofa cushions

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

Khazar-khum posted:

She just had a baby and is wondering why she feels different? What's wrong, is she upset now for missing out on crappy dates, miserable trips with worthless friends, and nights of getting so blind drunk you go to the wrong house? Is that what she thinks she wanted?

Lady just had a kid. She feels off because her hormones are all messed up right now. She doesn't realize what a gem she has in her husband. She needs to be hit with a clue by four.

lol you're majorly projecting here

From what she posted, it sounds like she went to part time modeling and office work in Atlanta to raising a kid in a rural podunk and never seeing her husband. I imagine the culture shock coupled with the transition from working/traveling to being tethered to a child is something she was not prepared for.

Personal Lucubrant
Oct 18, 2016

Just thinking about what to do with all the money I don't have.

WampaLord posted:

Well, I have found him. The dumbest, stubbornest man.

How can I [24F] get over the fact that my husband [24M] won't wear his seatbelt?

quote:

I always come back to: "it's safer." To which he scoffs and rebuts with "no it's not."

won't wear it because the government tells him to and it's not their place to make him do that.

I mean, the government is probably wrong about recreational drugs and nutrition (low fat diets, just replace it all with carbs!)...but seatbelts are pretty legit. Pretty much all car safety stuff is legit. Airbags, crumple zones, seatbelts, tempered and laminated glass, etc.

Obviously this guy is a total moron, but this calls into question the girlfriend's intelligence as well. Someone that dumb has more than likely done or said other incredibly stupid things, how did she not pick up on how much of an idiot he is before having a kid with him?

The lack of common sense is astounding.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

A Wizard of Goatse posted:


i imagine there's a huge overlap with guys who distribute little gun caches through their house so they'll always be prepared when the assassins come crashing through the windows, then let their kids/drunk buddies hang out in the living room with a loaded shotgun wedged in the sofa cushions

I strongly suspect most of these guys also have dead batteries in their smoke detectors.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

I've run into dudes before who are absolutely convinced seatbelts are unsafe because they are specifically going to get into an accident where the car is on fire or something and they can't unbuckle their seatbelt for some reason and roast to death, instead of being catapult-launched through their windshield when they smack into a deer/SUV like every other non-seatbelt-wearing imbecile on the road

i imagine there's a huge overlap with guys who distribute little gun caches through their house so they'll always be prepared when the assassins come crashing through the windows, then let their kids/drunk buddies hang out in the living room with a loaded shotgun wedged in the sofa cushions
I got into a wreck (as a passenger) where I definitely would have hit the windshield with my head if I hadn't been wearing a seatbelt. The mechanic who took the car and gave us a ride still felt the need to declare that he never wears seatbelts because he's scared he'll be trapped like that. He was super-nice and lent us his family's car because rental shops were open so I wasn't about to argue but what the hell? Thanks for giving advice that would have seriously harmed me if I followed it 40 minutes ago...

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

A Wizard of Goatse posted:

I've run into dudes before who are absolutely convinced seatbelts are unsafe because they are specifically going to get into an accident where the car is on fire or something and they can't unbuckle their seatbelt for some reason and roast to death, instead of being catapult-launched through their windshield when they smack into a deer/SUV like every other non-seatbelt-wearing imbecile on the road

The thing is, you can always get one of the seatbelt rippers/windshield hammers to accommodate for the former, but nothing but a seatbelt will help you in the latter.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Pick posted:

The thing is, you can always get one of the seatbelt rippers/windshield hammers to accommodate for the former, but nothing but a seatbelt will help you in the latter.

Also, the ratio is like 99 to 1 when it comes to "Seatbelt saves your life" vs "Seatbelt endangers your life." The situations where you need to get a seatbelt off ASAP are pretty rare, collisions are frequent.

Dial-a-Dog
May 22, 2001

Pick posted:

The thing is, you can always get one of the seatbelt rippers/windshield hammers to accommodate for the former, but nothing but a seatbelt will help you in the latter.

Yeah, that's one of the parts of the whole dumb argument I don't get. Those seatbelt cutters shear right through no problem, and they're really not very bulky, just stick one in your center console if you're really that worried about it.

Also I've worked in emergency services and pulled a lot of people out of cars and I've literally never had to cut a seatbelt, but plenty of people I worked with had gross stories about ejected bodies

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

Sounds like a waste of your twenties to me - a lot of growing up happens in those ten years and I don't really see the benefit to starting early. I'm strictly wiser than I was at 22. There's not like, a child shortage, we have plenty.

physically it makes more sense to have kids young so that you're more able to deal with the demands that parenting places on your body - no sleep, lots of physical activity in toddlerhood, etc. when i get home my 2 year old demands to "fly" and be picked up and slung around. plus by the time your oldest kids are grown and potentially leaving the house you're just in your early forties

of course the way our socioeconomy is structured you miss out on a ton of career growth and personal enrichment opportunities, which is why having kids young is a bad idea unless your life's ambition is to be a parent, or you have abnormally strong financial support from your spouse or family

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth
I think what we're all trying to say is that she married a stubborn idiot who will die making a heroic last stand under a tarp one day.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

boner confessor posted:

physically it makes more sense to have kids young so that you're more able to deal with the demands that parenting places on your body - no sleep, lots of physical activity in toddlerhood, etc. when i get home my 2 year old demands to "fly" and be picked up and slung around.

just teach them not to wear their seatbelt

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

Chomp8645 posted:

Big lols all around that we've crafted a modern 1st world nation where having children during your prime child bearing years is an irresponsible decision that you will be punished for. Just lol.

Having a child in your early 20s is not a particularly intelligent decision, even if a committed couple is in a strongly favorable situation. The early to mid 20s is when you're supposed to navigate the crazy rollercoaster of life while loving up left and right and learning from your mistakes. Why bother rushing into kids when you can have your childbearing years much later on with nothing but net gain?

1st AD
Dec 3, 2004

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: sometimes passing just isn't an option.

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

Having a child in your early 20s is not a particularly intelligent decision, even if a committed couple is in a strongly favorable situation. The early to mid 20s is when you're supposed to navigate the crazy rollercoaster of life while loving up left and right and learning from your mistakes. Why bother rushing into kids when you can have your childbearing years much later on with nothing but net gain?

yeah but what chomp is saying is that it's hosed up that we set up a society where there are huge disincentives to having children during your prime child-rearing years (youth/vigor + lower occurrence of genetic defects).

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

The early to mid 20s is when you're supposed to navigate the crazy rollercoaster of life while loving up left and right and learning from your mistakes.

such as having a kid, which is a mistake no matter when you do it but it's less of a mistake in the late 20's/early 30's sweet spot where you have some money and aren't waking up with joint pain

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

WampaLord posted:

Well, I have found him. The dumbest, stubbornest man.

How can I [24F] get over the fact that my husband [24M] won't wear his seatbelt?


Way to be an idiot for no reason and risk leaving your 1 year old fatherless because you can't take 2 seconds to put on a loving seatbelt.

I also think you can get denied insurance if you aren't wearing your seatbelt, can't you? You can be fined for sure but I think your insurance can wipe their hands and not help you out.

Leon Einstein
Feb 6, 2012
I must win every thread in GBS. I don't care how much banal semantic quibbling and shitty posts it takes.
I honestly can't respect someone's intelligence if they don't wear a seatbelt.

Cough Drop The Beat
Jan 22, 2012

by Lowtax

1st AD posted:

yeah but what chomp is saying is that it's hosed up that we set up a society where there are huge disincentives to having children during your prime child-rearing years (youth/vigor + lower occurrence of genetic defects).

Well, yeah. That goes without saying. We have the most embarrassing joke of a social safety net in America, along with zero respect for maternity/paternity leave or new parents period at any level of our society. It's really sad, but unfortunately there's little to no recourse besides moving to another nation. :911:

Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Dec 22, 2005

GET LOSE, YOU CAN'T COMPARE WITH MY POWERS

boner confessor posted:

physically it makes more sense to have kids young so that you're more able to deal with the demands that parenting places on your body - no sleep, lots of physical activity in toddlerhood, etc. when i get home my 2 year old demands to "fly" and be picked up and slung around. plus by the time your oldest kids are grown and potentially leaving the house you're just in your early forties

of course the way our socioeconomy is structured you miss out on a ton of career growth and personal enrichment opportunities, which is why having kids young is a bad idea unless your life's ambition is to be a parent, or you have abnormally strong financial support from your spouse or family
Ehhh, physically it makes more sense to do pretty much anything young, to the extent that there is a purpose in life beyond having children the same argument generally applies. I'm sure there are some counterexamples but I just see life as having many things worth doing besides child-rearing and they're pretty much all better the younger you are. Figuring out which ones are most important to do when you're youngest is part of the human condition and I kinda doubt "have children" ought to be on there even if there are advantages. It's impossible to take capitalism out of the equation to test anything but like, I bet even without it, children with older parents who have more life experience would have better outcomes.

54 40 or fuck
Jan 4, 2012

No Yanda's allowed

Cough Drop The Beat posted:

Well, yeah. That goes without saying. We have the most embarrassing joke of a social safety net in America, along with zero respect for maternity/paternity leave or new parents period at any level of our society. It's really sad, but unfortunately there's little to no recourse besides moving to another nation. :911:

I think I posted it last month but a guy on childfree was whining because his work mate got three weeks parental leave and so that meant he should be allowed to take an extra three weeks of vacation. Because nothing says vacation like taking care of a newborn!
It's so loving depressing to me on the baby bumps subreddit and seeing women talk about their six week, IF THAT, maternity leave. When parents go on leave it creates fluidity and is actually good for people who are trying to get their foot in the career world.

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

54 40 or gently caress posted:

I also think you can get denied insurance if you aren't wearing your seatbelt, can't you? You can be fined for sure but I think your insurance can wipe their hands and not help you out.

Sure, but the only way they know is you get into an accident not wearing one and at that point you probably have bigger problems like loss of motor control.

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

I just see life as having many things worth doing besides child-rearing and they're pretty much all better the younger you are.

And the great irony of life is that you can't afford to do most of those things until you're older.

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

WampaLord posted:

Sure, but the only way they know is you get into an accident not wearing one and at that point you probably have bigger problems like loss of motor control.

No loss of motor control is how the accident happens in the first place, duh.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I think that American society in general is very anti-kid, even in the ways it thinks it's pro-kid. Oh no, there are predators out there, better make sure my child lives in a closet and can't go outside.

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Eldred
Feb 19, 2004
Weight gain is impossible.

Pick posted:

wow what a craaazy rear end man-hating thing to say lol

*talks about issues affecting men with an outsider's perspective as someone who dates them*

gently caress u pick, why u hate men

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