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and these alleged russian hackers probably used tor to cover their tracks I don't see the problem also the report released doesn't seem to be "evidence", more like "hey sysadmins, add these IDS rules to your system to detect when potential state actor poo poo goes down in your network"
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anthonypants posted:i guess you guys haven't heard yet but the media in the us has been screaming for months about how russia cyberattacked us and how bad and dangerous russia is russia is an authoritarian kleptocracy that interferes in other nations' politics constantly, which is bad and dangerous, yes. this is well-documented it's bad when the US does it too, yes, but that doesn't make russia's activity any less a problem
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ymgve posted:and these alleged russian hackers probably used tor to cover their tracks the intercept has been spinning the russian hacking as a non-event because... i'm not sure why, really. greenwald was a ron paul supporter though so he's kind of a loving idiot, maybe that's it
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ymgve posted:and these alleged russian hackers probably used tor to cover their tracks This is exactly it. Media is reading way too much into it. Although the quality of the ioc's is questionable
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raminasi posted:i'm trying to download a software library from a company website that I know was good a few years ago, but now my browser is throwing a fit about it being a known malware site they've been bought out is my guess, and they have little idea what their site is doing. it could go either way (malware or false positive) anthonypants posted:i guess you guys haven't heard yet but the media in the us has been screaming for months about how russia cyberattacked us and how bad and dangerous russia is you guys are weirdly chill with a foreign power and former enemy compromising a major political party and interfering in a national election
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Heresiarch posted:the intercept has been spinning the russian hacking as a non-event because... podesta's dumb rear end clicking a phishing link with the knowledge of IT staff and then letting it go for hours while it dumps email isn't exactly a nefarious government attack and until someone provides real evidence that this was state sponsored and not just some script kiddies selling an email dump that they got their hands on I don't really give a poo poo that russia decided to act in their own interests with information they got because that's what governments do
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:podesta's dumb rear end clicking a phishing link with the knowledge of IT staff and then letting it go for hours while it dumps email isn't exactly a nefarious government attack and until someone provides real evidence that this was state sponsored and not just some script kiddies selling an email dump that they got their hands on I don't really give a poo poo that russia decided to act in their own interests with information they got because that's what governments do russia is bad but the speed at which people are ready to believe the cia or the clinton campaign shifting all the blame to russia is more bad, imho
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:podesta's dumb rear end clicking a phishing link with the knowledge of IT staff and then letting it go for hours while it dumps email isn't exactly a nefarious government attack and until someone provides real evidence that this was state sponsored and not just some script kiddies selling an email dump that they got their hands on I don't really give a poo poo that russia decided to act in their own interests with information they got because that's what governments do hackbunny posted:you guys are weirdly chill with a foreign power and former enemy compromising a major political party and interfering in a national election
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anthonypants posted:it's this it is possible to believe that the clinton campaign made major mistakes and at the same time believe that russia was deliberately interfering with the election. these are not exclusive positions and frankly, the CIA are one of the two world experts in loving with foreign elections (the other is whatever the russians are calling theirs right now) and i am strongly inclined to believe them, especially since they are acting against their own political interests by picking a fight with the president-elect
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:the US has it coming and until they show a little introspection and humility for all the incidents of tampering with democracy they are guilty of: gently caress em the prison rape argument, right
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Heresiarch posted:it is possible to believe that the clinton campaign made major mistakes and at the same time believe that russia was deliberately interfering with the election. these are not exclusive positions
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read this dudes latest tweets https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings basically, whoever did the podesta hack also targeted 1800 other accounts https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816627274367823872 this is a huge operation that could have been done by three actors: 1. state actor 2. for-profit criminal enterprise 3. very dedicated activists trying to uncover poo poo that the documents ended up at wikileaks and didn't just disappear into the void excludes option 2. that only the podesta mails ended up at wikileaks somewhat excludes option 3, because any actual activists would have released tons more poo poo and look what we're left with
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:podesta's dumb rear end clicking a phishing link with the knowledge of IT staff and then letting it go for hours while it dumps email isn't exactly a nefarious government attack and until someone provides real evidence that this was state sponsored and not just some script kiddies selling an email dump that they got their hands on I don't really give a poo poo that russia decided to act in their own interests with information they got because that's what governments do If you think national intelligences organizations don't use phishing as an initial access vector you don't know nearly as much about cyber stuff as you think you do. Or, more pithily and from someone more famous, https://twitter.com/thegrugq/status/563964286783877121?lang=en
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ymgve posted:this is a huge operation that could have been done by three actors:
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anthonypants posted:if russia, or any other country in the world, claimed to the media that the american government was cyberattacking them because of us-based tor exit nodes, would you believe them Hmm good point if you blow one piece of evidence completely out of proportion and then claim it's meaningless, it looks to utter morons like the argument is settled. Thanks for this lesson in how to argue in bad faith.
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anthonypants posted:if russia, or any other country in the world, claimed to the media that the american government was cyberattacking them because of us-based tor exit nodes, would you believe them that document does not say "these IPs are in russia and that's the reason we think the attack was organized by russian intelligence" because that's not what the document is for. it cites no evidence at all, actually what that document is for is explicitly stated here: https://www.us-cert.gov/ncas/current-activity/2016/12/29/GRIZZLY-STEPPE-Russian-Malicious-Cyber-Activity quote:DHS recommends that network administrators review the Security Publication for more information and implement the recommendations provided. the intelligence agencies involved have not shared their detailed evidence for why they believe the attacks were organized by russian intelligence, and i believe they are unlikely to do so because then the perpetrators would alter their fingerprints, so to speak. arguing that this document is not evidence of russian involvement is disingenous because it is not intended as evidence [edit] and the JAR document itself says: quote:This
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:the US has it coming and until they show a little introspection and humility for all the incidents of tampering with democracy they are guilty of: gently caress em cool, in the meantime all sorts of minorities get really hurt because russia installed orange putin as our president.
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:cool, in the meantime all sorts of minorities get really hurt because russia installed orange putin as our president. even if you believe in the prison rape argument (that criminals deserve what they get, even outside of the scope of the legal system), the people who will be punished by the president-elect are very distinctly not the people who are responsible for decades of CIA interference in foreign elections
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:the US has it coming and until they show a little introspection and humility for all the incidents of tampering with democracy they are guilty of: gently caress em  when they were told about it, actively blocked its disclosure, or outright applauded it. "the US" as some vague monolithic boogeyman isn't showing humility because the people suffering most from this aren't the ones who are tampering in foreign democracies
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OSI bean dip posted:HERE IS A FORUM FOR YOU D&D WANNABES THAT WELCOMES CHAT ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ITS UTTER FAILURE
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gross. there's capital letters there.
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CommunistPancake posted:gross. there's capital letters there. odd theyre normally anti capital punishment
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PCjr sidecar posted:odd theyre normally anti capital punishment how did you not just end the sentence at capital good job ruining your own joke
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:how did you not just end the sentence at capital good job ruining your own joke god drat it
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ymgve posted:read this dudes latest tweets a summary, for those of you too lazy to go look: https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816623812078956544 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816624297972273152 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816624404918652928 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816624876119277568 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816625617068236802 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/816626310122500096 I'd link to the SecureWorks report this all came from, but secureworks.com is serving up zero length pages.
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pseudorandom name posted:a summary, for those of you too lazy to go look: Thanks!
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Heresiarch posted:the intercept has been spinning the russian hacking as a non-event because... Let me temporarily put on my politics hat. I think the issue that people have with the "Russian" hacking is the scope, the DNC likes to say they "hacked our election" which is patently false. The current Whitehouse has been blaming many/most well-known information breaches from Clinton emails, Julian Assflange, or the dyndns DDoS attack on "Russia." Someone tweets "well a lot of these attacks are from ToR exit nodes" which implies their origin is unknown, which means there is a dishonest representation of everything "bad" that happens on the internet portrayed as Russian, which is transparently US propaganda. That said I understand that high level analysis of the DNC "hack" points to Russia, but there is the intentional framing of that attack to be broader then it was. ok sorry for politics in the security thread.
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Let me temporarily put on my politics hat. Bhodi posted:presumably there's a boatload of circumstantial evidence that points to russia specifically, like how they found traces of fancy bear both in the DNC hack and also in a ukranian smartphone mortar aiming app OSI bean dip posted:HERE IS A FORUM FOR YOU D&D WANNABES THAT WELCOMES CHAT ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ITS UTTER FAILURE OSI bean dip posted:HERE IS A FORUM FOR YOU D&D WANNABES THAT WELCOMES CHAT ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ITS UTTER FAILURE OSI bean dip posted:HERE IS A FORUM FOR YOU D&D WANNABES THAT WELCOMES CHAT ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ITS UTTER FAILURE OSI bean dip posted:HERE IS A FORUM FOR YOU D&D WANNABES THAT WELCOMES CHAT ABOUT AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY AND ITS UTTER FAILURE
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:cool, in the meantime all sorts of minorities get really hurt because russia installed orange putin as our president. This didn't happen.
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pseudorandom name posted:a summary, for those of you too lazy to go look this is... beautiful
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pseudorandom name posted:a summary, for those of you too lazy to go look:  hahahagagahaha
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hackbunny posted:you guys are weirdly chill with a foreign power and former enemy compromising a major political party and interfering in a national election well weed is full on legal in a bunch more of the country now
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Munkeymon posted:well weed is full on legal in a bunch more of the country now Still illegal federally
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spankmeister posted:Still illegal federally the schedule is a bit not right
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