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D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice

AP posted:

Moma lies a lot, like about his reddit account, I just hope he's not been lying about still having $8k in ships, because lol, it's 2017 and there's no game and no sign of one either.

I mean I didn't take him seriously when he said he'd 40 hours or 60 hours in Star Marine, whatever it was. He's posting angry because he knows it's poo poo and he'd rather get laughed at here than play the dumb thing, can't say I blame him.

What does your heart tell you?

And yeah, they're all progressively angry while trying to keep up appearances. They're pissed that CIG/RSI have been unable to prove my theory ("Star Citizen as pitched can never be built") wrong; even as they scamper off with $140 million in gamer money. It's a tough pill to swallow; and since July 2015, I've given them a whole bottle of pills.

TheAgent posted:

hello

all of these are god knows how credible
  • chris roberts is transitioning away from any game or art design to focus more on company matters
  • someone close to chris (sean tracy??) will be handling all end stage design and art approvals
  • expect 3.0 features in 2018 at the minimum
  • sqlude is still scheduled for this year
  • sqlude is working off a different engine branch than 2.6/3.0 (???)
  • mocapped assets are undergoing redesigns (again)
  • some mocapped characters have changed due to rewrites, causing dialogue to be re-recorded
  • crawling/wall/fast attacking vanduul were too "problematic," will now stand and fire normally
  • AI still broken (shooting through walls, instakilling the player, animations not firing correctly, spazzing out into the great beyond on death anim)
  • netcode still broken
  • updated design docs are forthcoming and will detail some "minor" changes to scope
  • larger ships with full player crews will be hamstrung fighting against AI ships until problems are fixed
  • larger battles are still not possible (2018/2019 minimum) and SC will focus more on smaller player driven skirmishes
  • end year sales "barely put our nostrils above water"

These are all immaterial because what's in the works completely eclipses all of the above (whether true or not).

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Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Truga posted:

Warframe counts as an MMO.

I mean the developer themselves call it a free to play 3rd person cooperative shooter, but if some retards in some forums call it an MMO it has to be one right?

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer

D_Smart posted:

What does your heart tell you?

I don't think Moma works for CIG, I just think he's a dumb Citizen and there's no shortage of those. So he might have $8k in ships.

AP fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jan 5, 2017

AP
Jul 12, 2004

One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them
Grimey Drawer
Back to the time machine for a funny thread from 2013.

SC might come much later then 2015?



AP fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Jan 5, 2017

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Cao Ni Ma posted:

I mean the developer themselves call it a free to play 3rd person cooperative shooter, but if some retards in some forums call it an MMO it has to be one right?

it got on several "best mmo 2016" lists :shrug:

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Warframe isn't an MMO.

If Warframe is an MMO, Diablo 2 is an MMO. Diablo 2 isn't an MMO. Warframe isn't an MMO.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Truga posted:

it got on several "best mmo 2016" lists :shrug:

It only proves that whoever wrote those articles are loving retarded

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Cao Ni Ma posted:

It only proves that whoever wrote those articles are loving retarded

I, too, think calling games that have 4 player instances and *maybe* a glorified 3D lobby MMOs, but it's been a thing for several years and there's nothing you or I can do about it now. It's dumb, but it is what it is.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Truga posted:

I, too, think calling games that have 4 player instances and *maybe* a glorified 3D lobby MMOs, but it's been a thing for several years and there's nothing you or I can do about it now. It's dumb, but it is what it is.

Well, there is something you can do about it... you just don't call it an MMO. If people started calling Forks "Spoons", mass consensus doesn't make it right.

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice
moved to concern

https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/361830/cig-freaking-nailed-it-awesome-cr-and-cig

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
What's this about Norway in Dereks avatar?

CrazyLoon
Aug 10, 2015

"..."

Lodin posted:

What's this about Norway in Dereks avatar?

Basically, he doxxed (or didn't, whatevs) a long-time scammer from Norway who tried to ply 'her' trade of virtual porn calendars here after doing it for years in the SC community, and lost his mod powers over it.

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016


About time they had some straight shooters there, full cred to the guy for saying it like it is. :)

But yeah, thread burried out of sight, out of mind. gently caress those 'yes men' CIG mods.

bird with big dick
Oct 21, 2015

Crazy_BlackParrot posted:

The more I think about this, the more bullshit it sounds.
No loving way they have still 300 people.

IF they still have 100 full time jobs i'd be surprised.
Heck, even Lando has a second job, and Ben is living of kickstarters to send over " boxes"

I know it's hard to believe so many people working have produced so little, but if there'd been a mass exodus over the last year we'd know about it.

Also I think lying about the number of employees you've got by a factor of 3 or 4 in order to make the company seem more financially stable (in order to continue to pull in money) would probably push them straight into criminal fraud territory and they're dumb but I don't think they're that dumb.

TheDamien
Aug 4, 2006
Finally glad to be away from this shitshow. Just had my final email from CIG re: my refund. Just waiting on them pulling the trigger via paypal now...

D_Smart
May 11, 2010

by FactsAreUseless
College Slice
Alexa on Echo Dot:

Me: "Alexa. Is Star Citizen a scam?".

Alexa on Echo Dot: "According to Derek Smart an American videogame developer, Star Citizen as pitched cannot be made. It's a scam. You'll see. Two weeks."

Lodin
Jul 31, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

CrazyLoon posted:

Basically, he doxxed (or didn't, whatevs) a long-time scammer from Norway who tried to ply 'her' trade of virtual porn calendars here after doing it for years in the SC community, and lost his mod powers over it.
Oh good. I feared Sandi had brung her stench here for a ski-vacation or something.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Its insane that a team of nearly 400 people have accomplished so very little to show for. I dont think its a case that there aren't 400 people working on the game right now, but rather that they have a bunch of people that are incapable of meeting Chris demands. This isn't a slight against the people working at CIG though, you could have the best engineers in there and they'd still struggle to push out Chris's turd.

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away
Has DS user name always been formatted like that? I never really noticed otherwise.

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Its insane that a team of nearly 400 people have accomplished so very little to show for. I dont think its a case that there aren't 400 people working on the game right now, but rather that they have a bunch of people that are incapable of meeting Chris demands. This isn't a slight against the people working at CIG though, you could have the best engineers in there and they'd still struggle to push out Chris's turd.

I thought it was considered that if they paid some company to make something for the game they counted all that companies employees in their total. No?

Sabreseven
Feb 27, 2016

TheDamien posted:

Finally glad to be away from this shitshow. Just had my final email from CIG re: my refund. Just waiting on them pulling the trigger via paypal now...

It's a ticking timebomb with a dodgy fuse being rattled around and hit with hammers, when it blows up it's going to create a nasty shockwave in the gaming industry.

I hope you get every penny back :)

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

Xaerael posted:

Well, there is something you can do about it... you just don't call it an MMO. If people started calling Forks "Spoons", mass consensus doesn't make it right.

That's not how it works, over time spoons would just become the what we called forks. There are hundreds of examples of this.

ripptide
Jul 28, 2016

TheDamien posted:

Finally glad to be away from this shitshow. Just had my final email from CIG re: my refund. Just waiting on them pulling the trigger via paypal now...

Congrats!

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Its insane that a team of nearly 400 people have accomplished so very little to show for. I dont think its a case that there aren't 400 people working on the game right now, but rather that they have a bunch of people that are incapable of meeting Chris demands. This isn't a slight against the people working at CIG though, you could have the best engineers in there and they'd still struggle to push out Chris's turd.

The 300+ people doesn't include contractors. CIG has had hundreds of people working on the project for years. The last behind the scenes is a perfect example of how CR fucks it all up and makes people focus on superfluous bullshit like a sand worm when they have tons of other assets to work on.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

The 300+ people doesn't include contractors. CIG has had hundreds of people working on the project for years. The last behind the scenes is a perfect example of how CR fucks it all up and makes people focus on superfluous bullshit like a sand worm when they have tons of other assets to work on.

Yeah, I'd think a little over 300 people are part of CIG proper. The rest are web design jockeys at turbulent and the guys literally making the enemies fleet for their single player game thats supposed to come out this year and that we've not actually seen hide or hair from. The guys that had to be contracted to do their work after saying that they didn't need any more contractors because they were doing everything in house now. The guys that had to be brought in because your staff is too busy redesigning every ship for the third time.

Sandweed
Sep 7, 2006

All your friends are me.

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Yeah, I'd think a little over 300 people are part of CIG proper. The rest are web design jockeys at turbulent and the guys literally making the enemies fleet for their single player game thats supposed to come out this year and that we've not actually seen hide or hair from. The guys that had to be contracted to do their work after saying that they didn't need any more contractors because they were doing everything in house now. The guys that had to be brought in because your staff is too busy redesigning every ship for the third time.

Designing and selling ships is the core of the CIG business model after all, making the game is secondary.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Sandweed posted:

That's not how it works, over time spoons would just become the what we called forks. There are hundreds of examples of this.

God created forks and spoons to be different from the start. I don't know why you think that spoons are spontaneously becoming forks, but we keep them apart in silverware drawers for a reason, you filthy liberal.

Beer4TheBeerGod
Aug 23, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Yeah, I'd think a little over 300 people are part of CIG proper. The rest are web design jockeys at turbulent and the guys literally making the enemies fleet for their single player game thats supposed to come out this year and that we've not actually seen hide or hair from. The guys that had to be contracted to do their work after saying that they didn't need any more contractors because they were doing everything in house now. The guys that had to be brought in because your staff is too busy redesigning every ship for the third time.

They had over 300 a year ago, and are still apparently growing. Behavioral and Turbulent have been contracted with them for years, a lot of their concept artists are contractors, and who knows what else. It's a massive operation.

Mu77ley
Oct 14, 2016

Hav posted:

God created forks and spoons to be different from the start. I don't know why you think that spoons are spontaneously becoming forks, but we keep them apart in silverware drawers for a reason, you filthy liberal.

Morningwoodpecker
Jan 17, 2016

I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE TO BE THIS STUPID

BUT HERE YOU ARE

Hav posted:

God created forks and spoons to be different from the start. I don't know why you think that spoons are spontaneously becoming forks, but we keep them apart in silverware drawers for a reason, you filthy liberal.

Sporks.

EDIT : arse

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

AP posted:

ACTUAL RESULT
Ship threw pilot out of cabin and into a 'debug' area where other player models were held

EXPECTED RESULT
Ship continues to load torpedoes while pilot walks around

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbdf1wkQeYg

Oh man, so now we know what they do with the player model when the player becomes a ship.
And why sometimes they have a ragdoll in their cockpit because it didn't get sent to the right grid.

MOMA, get a refund.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Star Citizen is definitely my GOTY 2016 in every category simply because of this thread. Its the greatest game I'll never play.

Star Citizen is one hell of an emotional rollercoaster and I don't think any of that is going to change in 2017.

This game might be my game of the decade if they keep going the way they are going (They will and its only going to get worse).

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Abomination. Neither fish nor fowl. It should be killed for it's own good and the purity of our forks.

Xaerael
Aug 25, 2010

Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.


We call those "baby cutlery" here.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

MarcusSA posted:

Star Citizen is definitely my GOTY 2016 in every category simply because of this thread. Its the greatest game I'll never play.

Same, but in the meta category.

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

Richie Stardust posted:

You don't fish. You're a liar. I don't remember exactly what you said back in the golden thread, but I do remember it clearly sounded like bullshit. I do believe that you eat ketchup sandwiches, but I don't believe you fish.

Pic related. What did you catch over the holiday?








I was posting in a thread regarding new fish finders for my kayak.

Over the holiday? Didn't fish much - mostly shore, no big catches. Last Fall, however? This beast:


ManofManyAliases fucked around with this message at 16:59 on Jan 5, 2017

ManofManyAliases
Mar 21, 2016
ToastOfManySmarts


Can't post for 3 hours!

D_Smart posted:


These are all immaterial because what's in the works completely eclipses all of the above (whether true or not).

Please share. The suspense is killing us (it's not).

peter gabriel
Nov 8, 2011

Hello Commandos
Why would you go out and kill a shark on purpose :(

JugbandDude
Jul 19, 2016

Remember when you were young, you shone like the sun

Shine on you crazy diamond!
Welcome back, SmugMoMA. I was afraid AngryMoMA had taken over.

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Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

They had over 300 a year ago, and are still apparently growing. Behavioral and Turbulent have been contracted with them for years, a lot of their concept artists are contractors, and who knows what else. It's a massive operation.

But, you know, Behaviour can actually put out a game. An actually kind of fun game. A game I bought on sale having only heard Behaviour from this thread. So, good job CIG for selling OTHER developers' games!

EDIT: CIG pet in action.

Samizdata fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Jan 5, 2017

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