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Curt Schilling is a complete turd but if you start tieing dumb political statements to HoF entrance than it quickly gets out of control. I hate Curt with a passion but I think he should probably get in his very last year of elgibility cause he was a very good baseball pitcher which is what the HoF is about. Granted he may not get in because he advocated murdering the journalists more than anything, but either way there is almost zero argument against his hurling abilities.
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it is simultaneously true that curt schilling was a fantastic baseball player who should absolutely be in the hall of fame and that it is really funny to imagine how mad getting shunned is making him for being too mad, red, and nude online.
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Jan 5, 2017 03:11
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IMO you have to weigh Schilling's excellence against Kingdoms of Amalur's repetitive sidequests and uninspired setting.
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Jan 5, 2017 03:14
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LeftistMuslimObama posted:I have never liked this argument. Our culture is different than when they went in. Why can't the criteria be different? We don't have to keep doing the same stuff just because that's what we've always done. So you're saying for HOF eligibility you have to be an all-time great player AND be popular? Forgetting Cobb for a moment (who was a racist and probable murderer), Ted Williams always had a contentious relationship with the press. There was mutual dislike his entire career. I don't think he liked the fans much, either. But he's still in. Schilling said something stupid that he absolutely should not have said, and he's an rear end in a top hat with repugnant ideas and pretty much a shithead of a person. But he did not cheat on the field (that we know of), did not gamble on the game, and a case could be made to put him in looking at his numbers. I'm on the fence with his career stats, but I wouldn't hate it if they put him in, either. I'm just saying I think it's unfair to keep him out simply because he pissed off the wrong people. That's why Ron Santo was left out all those years. Ronny never said anyone should be lynched, but still.... BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 03:37
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The Pussy Boss posted:Actually, I figured it out. Tom Glavine just sucked and couldn't throw strikes, but Javy Lopez was the greatest pitch framer of all time. But nobody knew about pitch framing back then or Lopez would be in the Hall instead of Glavine. Chalk up another win for advanced stats. Oddly, Maddux tended to use anyone else but Lopez as his personal catcher.
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Jan 5, 2017 03:41
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I think comparing someone who uses straight up hate speech to people who were disliked because they were gruff is really disingenuous and to claim its a slippery slope is pretty ridiculous.
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Jan 5, 2017 03:44
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BBWAA can also put Schilling in the Santo Protocol
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Jan 5, 2017 03:46
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Yeah wanting to make an MMO is really the biggest strike against Schilling.
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Jan 5, 2017 03:51
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Your Taint posted:So you're saying for HOF eligibility you have to be an all-time great player AND be popular?  Stan
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:I think comparing someone who uses straight up hate speech to people who were disliked because they were gruff is really disingenuous and to claim its a slippery slope is pretty ridiculous. Yeah I was waiting to hear what Ted Williams did that was on par with Schilling's Schillingness and if that's all there is... Your Taint posted:Schilling said something stupid that he absolutely should not have said, and he's an rear end in a top hat with repugnant ideas and pretty much a shithead of a person. But he did not cheat on the field (that we know of), did not gamble on the game, and a case could be made to put him in looking at his numbers. I'm on the fence with his career stats, but I wouldn't hate it if they put him in, either. It's also worth noting that you're comparing a guy who you yourself claim is borderline maybe being hurt in the vote to a top 2 hitter (at the time, arguably now) to ever play the game. It's not exactly apples to apples. Barry Bonds was a jerk to the press too and would have no trouble sailing in if steroids didn't exist. If all Schillings comments do is make people look harder for reasons to not put him in...well those reasons are there to find. Grittybeard fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 04:07
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R.D. Mangles posted:it is simultaneously true that curt schilling was a fantastic baseball player who should absolutely be in the hall of fame and that it is really funny to imagine how mad getting shunned is making him for being too mad, red, and nude online. this is how i feel
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Jan 5, 2017 04:09
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More Maddux. My favorite ever pitcher and it's not particularly close. Also love that now he just sort of hangs around Vegas and half-assedly at best advises the UNLV team.
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R.D. Mangles posted:it is simultaneously true that curt schilling was a fantastic baseball player who should absolutely be in the hall of fame and that it is really funny to imagine how mad getting shunned is making him for being too mad, red, and nude online. The best poster in sas is once again correct
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Jan 5, 2017 04:41
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bawfuls posted:true Guy is a fuckin idiot, no doubt about it. The situation is also very funny.
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Jan 5, 2017 04:53
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I wonder if Schilling would prefer getting into the HOF or getting to spend the rest of his life being a martyr and claiming that the conservative cross he died upon was why the heathen liberal press didn't let him in. i'm leaning option 2
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Jan 5, 2017 05:34
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Poque posted:I wonder if Schilling would prefer getting into the HOF or getting to spend the rest of his life being a martyr and claiming that the conservative cross he died upon was why the heathen liberal press didn't let him in. This is the strongest case for Curt Schilling being inducted in the HoF I've seen so far.
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Jan 5, 2017 06:08
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Your Taint posted:So you're saying for HOF eligibility you have to be an all-time great player AND be popular? People can advocate for a higher moral standard in today's voting, and it's certainly reasonable that many would say Schilling fails to rise to that standard while no other players on the current ballot have the same problem.
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Jan 5, 2017 09:20
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Your Taint posted:Forgetting Cobb for a moment (who was a racist and probable murderer), Ted Williams always had a contentious relationship with the press. There was mutual dislike his entire career. I don't think he liked the fans much, either. But he's still in. Ted Williams has a significantly better HOF case than Schilling despite losing a huge chunk of his career to military service and not saying that the very people whose job it would be to vote him in should by lynched
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Jan 5, 2017 10:06
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Your Taint posted:
Peer reviewed research says that Al Stump made up most of the stuff about about Cobb. If you want to cite a virulent racist that is in the hall of fame, I suggest Cap Anson, who played a major role in erecting baseball's color barrier.
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Jan 5, 2017 10:54
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bawfuls posted:There is a difference between "not popular" and "a despicable, combative person who constantly espouses repulsive views and throws a tantrum whenever he's called on it" Wait didn't barry bonds beat the poo poo out of his pregnant wife and stuff I mean yeah Schilling has lovely abhorrent views but let's keep this in perspective
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Jan 5, 2017 13:56
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Cubs and Rangers are the favorites to land Tyson Ross. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/rangers-rumors-tyson-ross-aggressive.html I hope we land him because I like Monty better out of the pen. Will Ross be ready to go by Opening Day?
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Jan 5, 2017 14:40
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Jung Ho Kang was cut from the South Korean WBC team after his third DUI last month. I am beginning to suspect that he may not be that great of a guy.
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Jan 5, 2017 16:00
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Your Taint posted:Cubs and Rangers are the favorites to land Tyson Ross. I like Ross but Montgomery's stuff is perfect for a starting position given how sick his change and curve are. Ross still needs to get healthy but it could be an instance of paying him now so he's around in 2018 after Lackey's gone (and Arrieta probably).
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Jan 5, 2017 16:15
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I like the idea of having Hendricks, Lester, Ross, and Montgomery locked up for 2018. Whether Ross or Montgomery ended up in the pen for 2017, it'd also be a big boost for the middle relief situation (though there's an argument for Montgomery to the pen this year just to have another lefty...but then, do you really want to change the rotation in the middle of the year if Montgomery's doing well?).
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Jan 5, 2017 16:37
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Your Taint posted:Cubs and Rangers are the favorites to land Tyson Ross. Discussions of Monty versus Ross as pitchers had me so confused, given the roster last year. Stop getting pitchers with names/nicknames that are like last year's catchers!
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Poque posted:I like Ross but Montgomery's stuff is perfect for a starting position given how sick his change and curve are. Ross still needs to get healthy but it could be an instance of paying him now so he's around in 2018 after Lackey's gone (and Arrieta probably). If the postseason taught us anything it's that how important a strong bullpen is. The addition of Davis did well to offset the loss of Chapman. Monty would be a good long guy out of the pen if you needed multiple innings. Plus he can be called in as needed in crucial situations. Strop and Rondon fell off at the end of last year (granted injuries played a factor) and it seems that Maddon lost all faith in both of them after they got healthy. But a pen of Rondon, Strop (if they're both healthy), Monty, Edwards, and Davis is pretty drat good. BigBallChunkyTime fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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John Smoltz said, several years in a row in spring training, Maddux would try to rear-end his rental car so he had to cover damages. He's a weird guy. There's another story via Jason Parks from his old Rangers sources that Maddux used to tell the young Texas pitchers that throwing a curve is like jerking off: just do what feels good. Intruder posted:Ted Williams has a significantly better HOF case than Schilling despite losing a huge chunk of his career to military service and not saying that the very people whose job it would be to vote him in should by lynched Well, Schilling wasn't a once in a multi-generational baseball player, either. tadashi fucked around with this message at 17:37 on Jan 5, 2017 |
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Jan 5, 2017 17:34
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Just imagine Curt Schilling's HoF speech for a moment. Imagine the fiery hot takes that would come out of what's left of that man's mouth.
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Jan 5, 2017 18:11
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Curt Schilling has a HOF playing career but I think he'll get in by some sort of shadow committee because the writers aren't going to vote him
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Your Taint posted:Will Ross be ready to go by Opening Day? Probably not, from what I've read. And even if he was TOS isn't something you want to rush back into a full season from, so I'd wager Ross and Montgomery would end up splitting time in the 5th starter role either way. Nail Rat posted:I like the idea of having Hendricks, Lester, Ross, and Montgomery locked up for 2018. Except Ross only wants a one year rebuilding deal and there are enough teams interested in him (read: all of them) that even if both the Cubs and the Ranger were only offering multi-years, another team would probably swoop in and give him a one year deal.
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Jan 5, 2017 18:27
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I didn't know any of these things about Maddux and it seems like he owns?
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Twin Cinema posted:Jung Ho Kang was cut from the South Korean WBC team after his third DUI last month. Chris Coughlan may have been onto something?
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Jan 5, 2017 18:46
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Sydin posted:Probably not, from what I've read. And even if he was TOS isn't something you want to rush back into a full season from, so I'd wager Ross and Montgomery would end up splitting time in the 5th starter role either way. Sounds like Ross would be better suited to come out of the pen then, but he probably wouldn't accept that role if he's only looking for a one-year deal.
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Greg Maddux has one of my favourite quotations, which I added to my facebook back when those things were prominently displayed. "I daydream just like everybody else. I just do it with my body facing the field, so everybody thinks I'm paying attention."
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Jan 5, 2017 18:55
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Chris Berman will no longer host the Homerun Derby!! http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/18413458/chris-berman-leaving-espn-nfl-host-role-remains-network-new-deal
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Soul Glo posted:I didn't know any of these things about Maddux and it seems like he owns? Yes, that is correct
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Your Taint posted:Sounds like Ross would be better suited to come out of the pen then, but he probably wouldn't accept that role if he's only looking for a one-year deal. I haven't seen a 100% clear picture of the situation yet, and a caveat to my pessimism is that Harvey underwent treatment for TOS in 2016 as well and he claims he'll be ready for opening day plus I haven't read anything suggesting he wouldn't be able to start on the regular, so who loving knows. In terms of contracts it sounds like both Texas and the Cubs are looking to give Ross a two year contract laden with incentives + a team option for 2018, but Ross would prefer a one year deal to prove he's healthy and effective before hitting FA at the age of 30. To be honest even if it was only on a one year deal I'd love it for the Cubs to pick up Ross. SP depth is never a bad thing, and having Montgomery mostly in the pen while picking up the occasional start would own. I think it's clear the Cubs eventually want Montgomery to be a starter given his stuff + being locked up through 2021, so a year of easing him into the role while still being able to leverage him in the pen is the best case scenario.
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spanky69 posted:Chris Berman will no longer host the Homerun Derby!! There is a god!
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Popete posted:Curt Schilling is a complete turd but if you start tieing dumb political statements to HoF entrance than it quickly gets out of control. I hate Curt with a passion but I think he should probably get in his very last year of elgibility cause he was a very good baseball pitcher which is what the HoF is about. It is a failure of society that the bigoted poo poo Schilling says can be written off as "dumb political statements". Considering sports are entirely an entertainment industry I am totally fine with ditching precedent and arbitrarily deciding an openly bigoted piece of garbage is unworthy to be in its Hall of Fame.
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spanky69 posted:Chris Berman will no longer host the Homerun Derby!! We celebrate now but when they use Joe Buck next year instead we'll all pine for "Back, back, back, GONE!"
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