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Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
There are enough goons that we had to create 3 different free companies (guilds/clans/etc) on a single server. Why are there more than 1, you ask? Not because of drama or anything like that - it's because we hit the player cap twice. The player cap of 512 per fc


In a game where a single character can max level every single class and change freely without needing alts

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Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

RareAcumen posted:

My opinion's probably skewed by the Fiesta that happens here every year, but I think people are pretty happy with 5 since the Job System in there is actually a ton of fun and challenging and stuff.

It's certainly found its niche internationally, but it's still niche, it's just skewed by all the stuff coming out from Japan that's paying tribute to it. Similarly you'd be forgiven for thinking FFVI wasn't a big deal overall, since all it really provided to the series in terms of constantly-recurring features was gag-boss Ultros, Magitech Armor, and a few summons.

Feonir
Mar 30, 2011

Ask me about aquatic cocaine transportation and by-standard management.

Sentient Data posted:

There are enough goons that we had to create 3 different free companies (guilds/clans/etc) on a single server. Why are there more than 1, you ask? Not because of drama or anything like that - it's because we hit the player cap twice. The player cap of 512 per fc


In a game where a single character can max level every single class and change freely without needing alts

There was a contest a while back where the FC's were invited to make a video for XIV, winners would get some cool swag, sure, fine, whatever.

A Roleplay guild made some super high effort video extolling the virtues of their FC, DGKK (The second goon guild) all dressed up in cultists robes, broke into the RPer free company house and recorded a dark sacrifice of a Lalafel and I think they came in second place? Will dig up the video from a friend if I can find it.

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Cleretic posted:

The closest thing to a Final Fantasy that Square loves but people outside of it don't is probably FFV. It's actually one of the more popular ones in Japan (it and FFVI basically swap places in those two markets, in Japan VI is about the level of cult classic FFV is internationally), but it's also where a lot of the major figures in modern Final Fantasy design got their start, so it's got a lot of goodwill internally.

I'll always think of V fondly for introducing the Job System. FFT wouldn't have been half as good without it.

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007

Sentient Data posted:

There are enough goons that we had to create 3 different free companies (guilds/clans/etc) on a single server. Why are there more than 1, you ask? Not because of drama or anything like that - it's because we hit the player cap twice. The player cap of 512 per fc


In a game where a single character can max level every single class and change freely without needing alts

I didn't play FFXIV for very long (just don't have that kind of time to dedicate to one game) but the goons playing it were nice and chill, as well.

If you like FF and MMO's it's kind of a no-brainer.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth

Kit Walker posted:

I'll always think of V fondly for introducing the Job System. FFT wouldn't have been half as good without it.

V didn't introduce the job system, though, III did.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

Who What Now posted:

V didn't introduce the job system, though, III did.

V added the interesting bits that Tactics expanded on, III's was just "do you want to punch mans or burn mans". Hell, that's even a bit dangerous, it's more like "is this dungeon designed to force you to punch mans, or to burn mans".

Inco
Apr 3, 2009

I have been working out! My modem is broken and my phone eats half the posts I try to make, including all the posts I've tried to make here. I'll try this one more time.
I never got past the mini dungeon in III because all the monsters would one-shot any of my team and I couldn't do enough damage to keep it from happening.

Final Fantasy III can go gently caress itself.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Feonir posted:

There was a contest a while back where the FC's were invited to make a video for XIV, winners would get some cool swag, sure, fine, whatever.

A Roleplay guild made some super high effort video extolling the virtues of their FC, DGKK (The second goon guild) all dressed up in cultists robes, broke into the RPer free company house and recorded a dark sacrifice of a Lalafel and I think they came in second place? Will dig up the video from a friend if I can find it.
Please, for the love of god. Goon invasions are the best thing on these forums

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

RareAcumen posted:

Yeah, I think 2 and 3 are the ones people don't seem to like. I'm the guy who isn't that down with ten but I can't say I had a bad time with two even though I couldn't really tell what I was doing throughout it.

I like 2 for the same reason I like 8. I don't really give a poo poo about the characters or story, but the gameplay does something interesting and new and I enjoy it for what it tries to do. But like 8 the system wasn't necessarily explained properly and a lot of people tried to play it like a more standard JRPG and wound up getting burned.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

Inco posted:

I never got past the mini dungeon in III because all the monsters would one-shot any of my team and I couldn't do enough damage to keep it from happening.

Final Fantasy III can go gently caress itself.

I only played the DS version and this was my exact experience. One of the worst games I've ever played

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Cleretic posted:

It's certainly found its niche internationally, but it's still niche, it's just skewed by all the stuff coming out from Japan that's paying tribute to it. Similarly you'd be forgiven for thinking FFVI wasn't a big deal overall, since all it really provided to the series in terms of constantly-recurring features was gag-boss Ultros, Magitech Armor, and a few summons.

Oh, I thought we were just talking about enjoyment. Yeah, I have no idea as far as features that stuck around goes.

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant
I definitely did play and beat FF3DS. I just... don't remember anything meaningful about it. Like, I don't remember how I beat the mini dungeon you guys are talking about, because I didn't remember that there was a mini dungeon.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
Wow, Noctis is such a little bitch about food sidequests. "Get me some beans for my restaurant, please!" ":negative:beeeeeeeeeeeeeans..."

Dude, he has other customers. They're not for you. :cheeky:

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


Nuebot posted:

I like 2 for the same reason I like 8. I don't really give a poo poo about the characters or story, but the gameplay does something interesting and new and I enjoy it for what it tries to do. But like 8 the system wasn't necessarily explained properly and a lot of people tried to play it like a more standard JRPG and wound up getting burned.

I would have liked 8 a thousand times more if the junction system didn't care how many of the linked spell you had. 1 firaga or 100 firaga should have had the same effect. As it was you had to have every character draw 100 of every spell and never cast anything ever.

AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

...

GARVASE DAY!

BioEnchanted posted:

Wow, Noctis is such a little bitch about food sidequests. "Get me some beans for my restaurant, please!" ":negative:beeeeeeeeeeeeeans..."

Dude, he has other customers. They're not for you. :cheeky:

http://i.imgur.com/pFXHB6J.gifv
http://i.imgur.com/22dZ8Zk.gifv

Feonir
Mar 30, 2011

Ask me about aquatic cocaine transportation and by-standard management.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

Please, for the love of god. Goon invasions are the best thing on these forums

Found it.

Complete with salty comment from the owners of the FC housing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ule-uNxUTTg

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

rydiafan posted:

I would have liked 8 a thousand times more if the junction system didn't care how many of the linked spell you had. 1 firaga or 100 firaga should have had the same effect. As it was you had to have every character draw 100 of every spell and never cast anything ever.

Not everything, just the good stuff. Even then you don't need to draw, just turn cards into it.

rydiafan
Mar 17, 2009


Point stands. It mandated grinding and punished using spells.

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

rydiafan posted:

Point stands. It mandated grinding and punished using spells.

Well, like I said. The main problem with the whole thing was that it didn't properly explain how to make the best of it and so people got really mad when they thought they had to grind out 100x fire, fira and firaga spells and never realized there were relatively easy ways of getting 100x flare or whatever. Magic was kind of useless because there were better sources of damage and the game really focused on limit breaks. Of course a whole lot of people didn't want to play a ton of triple triad forever either.

NoEyedSquareGuy
Mar 16, 2009

Just because Liquor's dead, doesn't mean you can just roll this bitch all over town with "The Freedoms."
Metal Gear Solid V. I throw a tranquilized child soldier into the back of a jeep and fulton it back to base.
Miller: "You're going to extract him?"

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

Feonir posted:

Found it.

Complete with salty comment from the owners of the FC housing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ule-uNxUTTg

Still the best.

The PBC video was pretty good too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9BP7Alh9TI

HairyManling
Jul 20, 2011

No flipping.
Fun Shoe

Inco posted:

Final Fantasy III can go gently caress itself.
This is the only text that should be on the "Before I Play" wiki entry for this game.

Inzombiac
Mar 19, 2007

PARTY ALL NIGHT

EAT BRAINS ALL DAY


NoEyedSquareGuy posted:

Metal Gear Solid V. I throw a tranquilized child soldier into the back of a jeep and fulton it back to base.
Miller: "You're going to extract him?"

Yes, Miller, I am.
What don't you get about how I operate?

I am fultoning everything.

Exit Strategy
Dec 10, 2010

by sebmojo

Inzombiac posted:

Yes, Miller, I am.
What don't you get about how I operate?

I am fultoning everything.

My PMC's logo:

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Inzombiac posted:

Yes, Miller, I am.
What don't you get about how I operate?

I am fultoning everything.

I loved that one timed tank mission where you could just park your horse in front of tanks, and just fulton all of them. Then the extreme version introduces red tanks you have to kill.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"
The point of the armor-killing missions isn't to destroy the tanks and missile-platforms, it's to leave the patrol wondering where the gently caress their ride just went.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009

Neddy Seagoon posted:

The point of the armor-killing missions isn't to destroy the tanks and missile-platforms, it's to leave the patrol wondering where the gently caress their ride just went.

Z1: CP this is Zoya 1, my vehicle went missing. Has there been a report of thefts?

CP: Zoya 1 this is CP. No reports of theft in the area, someone must of needed it. Continue on foot

Z1: Really? Dammit! Are you kidding me?!

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Leal posted:

Z1: CP this is Zoya 1, my vehicle went missing. Has there been a report of thefts?

CP: Zoya 1 this is CP. No reports of theft in the area, someone must of needed it. Continue on foot

Z1: Really? Dammit! Are you kidding me?!

The dialogue is great. Especially when you're messing with people in a box and everyone starts thinking the poor guy who's seeing a moving box is just losing his poo poo.

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

CP, this is Zulu 3. A carboard box is moving! How should I proceed?

This is CP. Knock it off. Over.

But...the box...!

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Who What Now posted:

V didn't introduce the job system, though, III did.

lol, you're right, and I completely forgot about it because of how barebones the system there is. By the time you get to the last boss all your units are either Ninjas or Sages because those are the top physical and magic classes respectively. The boss also only has one attack, Flarewave, and it'll keep pumping it out turn after turn. The first time I fought the boss I lost because having my mages casting the strongest healing spell every turn wasn't enough to overcome the damage. I had to level everyone up 5 or so times and even then I was still unable to keep up with the boss's damage output but it let me last long enough for the Ninjas to take it out. There was nothing interesting about that job system.

On the other hand, I could stick a legendary weapon in each hand of my attackers in FFV and have them attack four times with each weapon in one turn. I can doublecast Bahamut and the Blue Mage class was great for offering a variety of unusual moves to experiment with.

Glagha
Oct 13, 2008

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAaaAAAaaAAaAA
AAAAAAAaAAAAAaaAAA
AAAA
AaAAaaA
AAaaAAAAaaaAAAAAAA
AaaAaaAAAaaaaaAA


Like that game is far from perfect but my favorite thing about it is just the fact they made me actually kind of like these characters. I enjoy that all the characters have hobbies, like that the main character is into fishing. That and he's also a picky eater. It's endearing.

(I'm with him though, lettuce does not belong on burgers)

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP



Everyone in 10 years will think noctis is goth cloud, not some picky eating doofus who goddamn loves him some fishing.


(Is lightning the only ff protag without a goofball side, willing to bet yes)

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
Something else in the Odin Sphere remake - the second character you play as, Cornelius, is a little bunny-knight with a huge fuckoff broadsword. In the original game the best (and pretty much only) way to play him was to pop an infinite-stamina potion and use his forward-jumping attack, which turns him into a Sonic-esque buzz saw that could carve up entire rooms in seconds. He was probably the second-most broken character because of that one move, but the rest of his moveset was fairly sluggish.

The remake gives him a huge new arsenal like the other characters, but the best part is that all his techniques revolve around how gigantic his weapon is compared to the rest of his body. He fights with giant swings and corkscrew attacks whose momentum carries his tiny bunny body right off the ground and into enemy mobs. Not to mention a new charge attack that basically has him pull a Thundercats and make his sword triple in size for a 360-degree spin into a downward smash. And now he can spin his sword like a tiny helicopter blade to slow his descent from jumps, it's adorable.

It's really impressive that Vanillaware updated this game not just in an incredibly thorough way, but also in a way that emphasized the uniqueness of each playable character.

a kitten
Aug 5, 2006

This isn't helping my growing urge to finally move into this console generation and buy a ps4.

J.A.B.C.
Jul 2, 2007

There's no need to rush to be an adult.


a kitten posted:

This isn't helping my growing urge to finally move into this console generation and buy a ps4.

One of us. One of us.

Save up and get one used. The PSPlus subscription gives you two free games a month (Day of the Tentacle Remaster is on this months) and there's a lot of sales and stuff going on.

I've only played the demo, but OS was an incredible game on Playstation 2, and the remake demo was really, really fun. Plus, there's an NPC dedicated to food porn, it's wonderful.

Like this:


you may die posted:

I'd like to see someone beat her non-lethally on extreme any other way.

Son, I'd like to tell you about the Gospel of our one true non-lethal savior:

The Rocket Punch.

J.A.B.C. has a new favorite as of 19:47 on Jan 7, 2017

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

vanillaware always has amazing food. Muramasa made me hungry every time i played it

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Rigged Death Trap posted:

(Is lightning the only ff protag without a goofball side, willing to bet yes)

Lightning is indeed deliberately an overserious woman with no sense of humor or concept of having fun, so you're right on that one. Yusnaan is the best part of Lightning Returns, because most of the sidequests are her being hosed around by, and playing the straight man for, a bunch of goofball carnival workers.

As for everyone else, going backwards...
-Whether XII's has a goofball side depends on which character you consider the protagonist. Vaan does, Ashe doesn't, Balthier is too busy being amazing in other ways.
-Tidus is mostly goofball side until pretty late in the game.
-Zidane we do not need to build a case for.
-Squall is mostly an awkward, aloof teenager. He's serious, but that doesn't make him cool.
-Real Cloud, at least until the remake gets to him, is a tool and an idiot who's trying too hard to be cool and absolutely failing.
-I'd say VI depends on the protagonist, but Terra and Celes are both pretty serious and kinda depressing, and the extent of Locke's 'goofball side' is being seasick once, which seemed to be that era of FF's way to make their leading man 'relatable'. VI's party had goofballs, but they were all supporting cast.
-Bartz is an idiot vagrant who inexplicably gets to hang around hot women all day. FFV is not a serious game, and he's still by far the 'goofball side' of the party.
-Cecil has no sense of humor. Neither does Kain. ...Or Rosa, or really Rydia. IV's whole party is pretty boringly straight-faced, actually.
-NES III has no player characters. The IIImake's are all literal children on an adventure though, as is Onion Knight in Dissidia, so they're fine.
-I don't think FFII had even developed the concept of 'jokes' yet, let alone 'comedic character moments'.
-And FFI's got no player characters in any form.

So remarkably, while Lightning is indeed the odd one out there in the later-day Final Fantasy games, the protagonist having a comedic side like that is actually a more recent thing. The story-heavy SNES era games that everyone lauds, in particular, are actually even more serious than Lightning.

jaclynhyde
May 28, 2013

Lipstick Apathy

Cleretic posted:

-Cecil has no sense of humor. Neither does Kain. ...Or Rosa, or really Rydia. IV's whole party is pretty boringly straight-faced, actually.



Cecil Harvey, discovering dwarf porn.

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El Diablo Bob O
Sep 3, 2011

Hay nada mas,
Oh si' my way!

Exit Strategy posted:

My PMC's logo:



Oh yeah, buddy.

One of my favorite parts of this game was the emblem maker.






Actually, I guess I just really love making emblems!

(BF1)


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