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theflyingexecutive posted:platform is for primaries, the general is a popularity contest Campaigns still need at least some kind of thesis statement for the general.
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Jan 7, 2017 10:09
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It's 3am again. Hillary Clinton is a shitfuck Hitler Satan and I hope she eats dog rear end. Sorry guys, my heart's just not in it tonight. I'll take my 6 hour for low energy. 
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Jan 7, 2017 10:09
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Yossarian-22 posted:No way 90%, UHC would probably mostly be funded via bigger sales taxes, and I guess GMI's cool Sales tax is the most regressive of all taxes and don't pretend any corporations need an excuse to "flee the country"
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Jan 7, 2017 10:10
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Neeksy posted:Campaigns still need at least some kind of thesis statement for the general. that's internal messaging, so advocates can speak to specific people about specific issues. Hillary won three debates talking about the platform while her opponent hosed a chair and she lost the general. I'm not saying a campaign shouldn't be grounded in real policy ideas and proposals, but let's not pretend people go into voting booths thinking about marginal tax rates and the finer points of budgeting
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Jan 7, 2017 10:15
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theflyingexecutive posted:that's internal messaging, so advocates can speak to specific people about specific issues. Hillary won three debates talking about the platform while her opponent hosed a chair and she lost the general. I'm not saying a campaign shouldn't be grounded in real policy ideas and proposals, but let's not pretend people go into voting booths thinking about marginal tax rates and the finer points of budgeting By thesis statement I mean at least a general idea or philosophy, not detailed policy.
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Jan 7, 2017 10:25
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Neeksy posted:By thesis statement I mean at least a general idea or philosophy, not detailed policy. right, a party platform is not a thesis statement. The dem platform for 2016 was 39 pages long and included very specific policy proposals
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Jan 7, 2017 10:38
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Shinjobi posted:It's 3am again. Hillary Clinton is a shitfuck Hitler Satan and I hope she eats dog rear end. i would think that a statement of fact would be sodium-free, but then again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSoOe5w_WcU
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Jan 7, 2017 10:49
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It's income inequality and stagnating wages, those were the issues she needed to run on, but couldn't, because she's worth over a hundred million dollars and those issues didn't get better under the president shes married to, or the one she tried to wrap herself in like an American flag.
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Jan 7, 2017 10:51
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Ace of Baes posted:It's income inequality and stagnating wages, those were the issues she needed to run on, but couldn't, because she's worth over a hundred million dollars and those issues didn't get better under the president shes married to, or the one she tried to wrap herself in like an American flag. she needed to both run on those and also sum it up in 4 words or voters would immediately lose interest and go back to blaming minorities
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Jan 7, 2017 10:52
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Yinlock posted:she needed to both run on those and also sum it up in 4 words or voters would immediately lose interest and go back to blaming minorities No she just needed to be authentic and trust worthy.
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Jan 7, 2017 10:53
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Bernie Sanders would have won because he was authentic, felt comfortable in his own skin, and addressed income inequality, stagnating wages, bad trade deals, an insanely low minimum wage, and a failing healthcare system. Clinton wasn't authentic, didn't adress income inequality (because she's worth millions), called the TPP the gold standard, waivered on the fight for 15, and said single payer will never happen.
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Jan 7, 2017 10:57
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Ace of Baes posted:No she just needed to be authentic and trust worthy. more accurately she needed to be CONSIDERED authentic and trust worthy, which was impossible because of her doorknob-like charisma and the 20 year smear campaign
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Jan 7, 2017 10:58
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Ace of Baes posted:Bernie Sanders would have won because he was authentic, felt comfortable in his own skin, and addressed income inequality, stagnating wages, bad trade deals, an insanely low minimum wage, and a failing healthcare system. none of these things matter more than a snappy catchphrase and a red hat
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Jan 7, 2017 10:59
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Yinlock posted:more accurately she needed to be CONSIDERED authentic and trust worthy, which was impossible because of her doorknob-like charisma and the 20 year smear campaign I think her robotic speech patterns, and the fact that everything she says sounds focus group tested pre written platitudes meant to be as inoffensive as possible and her unwillingness to take actual stances was much worse. See Clinton on: Fight for 15, BLM, DAPL etc.
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Jan 7, 2017 11:01
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not arguing that hillary doesn't suck but the whole "bernie would have won because rural voters who fell for the world's most obvious lies are extremely concerned about economic policy" thing is lol
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Jan 7, 2017 11:01
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Yinlock posted:none of these things matter more than a snappy catchphrase and a red hat If you believe that OK, but I disagree.
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Jan 7, 2017 11:02
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Yinlock posted:not arguing that hillary doesn't suck but the whole "bernie would have won because rural voters who fell for the world's most obvious lies are extremely concerned about economic policy" thing is lol I think rural voters would have been more likely to swing towards him because they live in decaying communities, they've seen their quality of life go down over time, Bernie blamed crony capitalism and corporate greed, Trump blamed the government and immigrants, Clinton told them America was already great and look at how good the "economy" is.
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Jan 7, 2017 11:04
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Yinlock posted:more accurately she needed to be CONSIDERED authentic and trust worthy, which was impossible because of her doorknob-like charisma and the 20 year smear campaign
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Jan 7, 2017 12:13
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Concerned Citizen posted:i've never lost. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI6d65zPox4
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Jan 7, 2017 12:18
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Anyone else read Bernie's book yet? Im like half way through it p. good, Bernie narrates the audiobook along with Mark Ruffalo.
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Jan 7, 2017 12:23
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Ace of Baes posted:Anyone else read Bernie's book yet? Im like half way through it p. good, Bernie narrates the audiobook along with Mark Ruffalo. is there a bonus track of his folk singing afaf
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Jan 7, 2017 12:25
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Yinlock posted:not arguing that hillary doesn't suck but the whole "bernie would have won because rural voters who fell for the world's most obvious lies are extremely concerned about economic policy" thing is lol yea its not really absolutes, people have a hard time with this because they keep categorizing and trying to box people into one certain affiliation, when theres multiple things going on. it just comes off as all rurals are racists, when theres only actually a handful of real shitheads, and a handful that are actually worried about job security. Truth is always in the middle. H*ck even both sometimes for some people. There's just too many people out there with inconsistent thoughts, different upbringing, and perspectives. It's easy to make a scapegoat and try to find the faults, which is why pendants are the worst.
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Jan 7, 2017 12:29
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Lastgirl posted:is there a bonus track of his folk singing afaf idk im half way through it
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Jan 7, 2017 12:40
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~ ofc there is no racism in cities ~
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Jan 7, 2017 12:41
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Baloogan posted:~ ofc there is no racism in cities ~ Vancouver is a lovely place.
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Jan 7, 2017 12:44
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Lastgirl posted:yea its not really absolutes, people have a hard time with this because they keep categorizing and trying to box people into one certain affiliation, when theres multiple things going on. Racism isn't a clear easily definable thing either, there are plenty of people, especially in rural areas, who are racist in the sense that they think BLM is a bunch of violent thugs and that cops are upstanding citizens, but have no issues with black people that fall into their personal idea of what a "good one" is, or that hispanics are good people but undocumented immigrants are a plague on society. I think most important factor is, most of these people, in my experience, don't care as much about issues like this as they do the economy, so when they have 2 candidates, theyre willing to overlook racism or racist rhetoric because it's much lower on the priority list compared to jobs or w.e. Or if they lean towards racism, it reinforces their likelihood to view trump as better on the economy.
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Jan 7, 2017 12:50
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silver ruthlessly owned the rest of the stats heads and gave trump credible chances back in june lol
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Jan 7, 2017 12:59
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he went against the grain for the whole general election by taking trump & polling uncertainty seriously and deserves the credit of his relative victory imo
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Jan 7, 2017 13:01
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Peel posted:he went against the grain for the whole general election by taking trump & polling uncertainty seriously and deserves the credit of his relative victory imo And President Clinton will be sure to reward him justly
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Jan 7, 2017 13:04
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and castles made of sand fall into the sea bernie would have won
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Jan 7, 2017 13:15
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Yinlock posted:none of these things matter more than a snappy catchphrase and a red hat First time I've seen red hats blamed for Clinton's loss, so delicious and salty lol
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Jan 7, 2017 14:14
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frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:First time I've seen red hats blamed for Clinton's loss, so delicious and salty lol Right? I've had barbecue pork less delicious.
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Jan 7, 2017 14:24
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https://mobile.twitter.com/loganscasey/status/817519219017388032 gently caress this gay earth 
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Jan 7, 2017 14:28
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Ace of Baes posted:Racism isn't a clear easily definable thing either, there are plenty of people, especially in rural areas, who are racist in the sense that they think BLM is a bunch of violent thugs and that cops are upstanding citizens, but have no issues with black people that fall into their personal idea of what a "good one" is, or that hispanics are good people but undocumented immigrants are a plague on society. I think most important factor is, most of these people, in my experience, don't care as much about issues like this as they do the economy, so when they have 2 candidates, theyre willing to overlook racism or racist rhetoric because it's much lower on the priority list compared to jobs or w.e. Or if they lean towards racism, it reinforces their likelihood to view trump as better on the economy. For some of them, they are in such situational despair that the situation is that of survival. Consequences and considerations for societal externalities don't enter their thought process when they are one more paycheckless month from financial ruin. People who are panicked often make terrible and seemingly selfish decisions. Trump was able to take advantage of it by merely addressing these feelings, even though common sense would look at his entire history and that of the GOP and know it's a disingenuous gesture at best.
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Jan 7, 2017 14:28
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Race Realists posted:gently caress this gay earth
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Baloogan posted:~ ofc there is no racism in cities ~
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