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Bip Roberts posted:What's with the rare ship classes today with the CM, AP, and AG. The CM is a minelayer but how is AG and AP different from AK? (x)AK ships transport cargo, (x)AP ships transport people, AG ships can repair/rearm AND transport cargo.
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Jobbo_Fett posted:(x)AK ships transport cargo, (x)AP ships transport people, AG ships can repair/rearm AND transport cargo. Ok that makes sense because historically AG-31 Argonne was also listed as AS-10 Argonne as a sub tender.
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AP is a personell carrier, AG is a 'general' auxiliary fleet support ship. The lack of an x suggests it's a military ship, and looking it up it was indeed a USS. Efb
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TheDemon posted:One weird thing about subs in witp is the way submarine doctrine isn't really modeled. Obviously you can simulate deployment strategies to a degree but if you want to use the IJN subs as a merchant-sinking force there's nothing stopping you and their long range boats and excellent torpedoes are very effective in this role. Historically 184 allied merchant ships were sunk, but this pace of attacks would easily exceed that and turn the Pacific into another Atlantic in short order. There was actually a realism setting in the original WITP where you could set Japanese submarine doctrine to Historical or not. Historical meant that they wouldn't attack merchants if there were military targets available.
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Not the Oglala! She holds the dubious distinction of being the only ship sunk three times by the attack at Pearl Harbor. 
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2 January 1943 The dubious distinction of first warship casualty of historical 1943 goes to the British minesweeper Alarm, beached following air attack at Bône.
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gradenko_2000 posted:There was actually a realism setting in the original WITP where you could set Japanese submarine doctrine to Historical or not. Historical meant that they wouldn't attack merchants if there were military targets available. It's still there, but it only does anything when the AI is managing submarines, be it for the player or for itself.
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I also suspect that Wolfpacking isn't modelled at all.
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   There are still ships to sink at Akyab.   Planes we can actually shoot down!  While probably not enough to sink her, taking a cruiser out of action right before an invasion is a good thing.   We see the first pointless attack of the year.   I'm ordering my own pointless China attack for tomorrow.  The jump in ship points checks out for the cruiser. It could be real!
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Even if the Adelaide is sunk, how could it possibly have been sunk by a 40cm gun? Is that some kind of wonky code for a Japanese torpedo?
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GenHavoc posted:Even if the Adelaide is sunk, how could it possibly have been sunk by a 40cm gun? Is that some kind of wonky code for a Japanese torpedo? Fog of War
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GenHavoc posted:Even if the Adelaide is sunk, how could it possibly have been sunk by a 40cm gun? Is that some kind of wonky code for a Japanese torpedo? Aussie shore gunners dont gently caress around. Come back with your shield or on it.
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Jan 4, 2017 06:56
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Are all those disabled squads dead when their ship sinks?
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GenHavoc posted:Even if the Adelaide is sunk, how could it possibly have been sunk by a 40cm gun? Is that some kind of wonky code for a Japanese torpedo? Apparently somebody thinks the Yamato's main guns are capable of pinpoint suborbital trajectories.
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GenHavoc posted:Even if the Adelaide is sunk, how could it possibly have been sunk by a 40cm gun? Is that some kind of wonky code for a Japanese torpedo? The torpedo had a 40cm gun on it, obviously. It's guaranteed to sink anything
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Did I forget to mention the new upgrade to Tokyo Bay Fortress? I'm not reporting its location of course, as I don't want Allied spies reaing this thread to know where it is.
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For reference, that's the same 40cm (really 41 cm) gun mounted on Nagato and Mutsu. Would not have thought there would be many coastal batteries with those, all things considered. Three coastal turrets were mounted around the Strait of Tsushima, but Adelaide didn't look like she was anywhere near there.
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3 January 1943 Our second warship casualty of 1943 is Ulpio Traiano, a Capitani Romani-class cruiser (or large destroyer, or flotilla leader, or "ocean scout" depending on who you ask) sunk by British human torpedo Chariot No 22 while fitting out at Palermo.
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Went down without a fight just like *insert Adelaide sports team topical reference*, am I right fellas?
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algebra testes posted:Went down without a fight just like *insert Adelaide sports team topical reference*, am I right fellas? *Canned laughter as-seen-on Big Bang Theory*
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OpenlyEvilJello posted:British human torpedo Whattt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariot_manned_torpedo Ohhhh. As in "not a torpedo at all." Goddamit, for a second there I had a totally crazy mental image. Mind you this is still pretty badass.
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Leperflesh posted:Whattt? It's absolutely insane that this worked so well for Italy that the British wanted to copy the idea. Italy gets poo poo on a lot in WWII but their combat divers were crazy amazing.
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I remember as a kid I read this book all about the Italian frogmen in WWII that was totally awesome. I have no recollection of what it might have been called, though. If that sounds familiar to anyone let me know. Those dudes had big brass ones.
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Didn't they sink an entire BB once.
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Night10194 posted:Didn't they sink an entire BB once. Two! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Alexandria_(1941) Didn't sink them, but put them out of action for the better part of a year.
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Fixing dat link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Alexandria_(1941)
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The Japanese, on the other hand, had actual manned torpedoes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiten
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  The RAF finally turn up to ruin my fun.  Yeah, it looks like they are stepping up their game here.  We do manage to bring one down however.  Hmm, I need to sort that leader issue.  This is looking a lot better in squad kills/losses.  Apparently we took a lot more air-to-air losses than reported!  I only have a very old archive kill for you I'm afraid.
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Epicurius posted:The Japanese, on the other hand, had actual manned torpedoes: Yeah, but you know; the japanese... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokosuka_MXY7_Ohka
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That first illustration looks familiar.... Oh yeah it's this guy.
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  The Subs are back on track.  As New Caledonia is my invasion target, I'm all for the interdiction of supplies.  The Liberators return.  The RAF are seeing a major spike in activity.  Hankow continues to go in our favour.  The advance continues.  The subs are doing really well – there were three other “torpedo missed” reports as well! Nothing confirmed today though.
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So, how many points does Gray need to win at the different times again? Or he needs to survive out 1946? Thanks.
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RA Rx posted:So, how many points does Gray need to win at the different times again? Or he needs to survive out 1946? If it's 1943, you need 4 times the VPs of your opponent to trigger a victory If it's 1944, you need 3 times the VPs of your opponent to trigger a victory If it's 1945, you need 2 times the VPs of your opponent to trigger a victory As of the Jan 5 1943 turn, Grey has 1.715x the VPs of his opponent.
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Neophyte posted:SEA PATROL Holy loving poo poo dudes...
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  The invasion ships have left port, so its time to start softening up the target area – of course, the AI sends out a tiny sweep from the 60 or so planes I order to do so.  The Kates continue their reign of terror.  This is frustrating.  The bombers of course come in unescorted.  Sigh.  Moving the fighters leaves the airbases undefended.  This is more what I had planned.  Kates always know how to make me feel better.  We do some good damage to the RAF.  I wish these guys would break and run.  We hit Hankow again.  That was a bloody day in the air, but I have to get working on the enemy airfields – I'll let the sweeping planes work for a few days before sending in the bombers again.
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   Dammit.  Someone gave the Americans working torpedoes!  The sweeps continue (poorly.)  The enemy bombers are not being driven off, so this is costing us on the ground as well.  At least I can count on my subs.  We lose some planes going after a light cruiser and a cargo ship.  We can't even catch a break here.  They even go after our shipping.  We just can't stomp the Tromp!  You order one attack fleet to leave port, and everything kicks off!  So many ship losses, and the main forces have not even entered the “Danger Zone” yet!
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Grey Hunter posted:We just can't stomp the Tromp! If the great Imperial Navy can't do it, then who can? 
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Saint Celestine posted:Is the IJ air force supposed to be this bad? Yes. Just be glad the navy isn't more realistic as well.
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My personal gut feel is that the game is probably a little too charitable towards four-engined bomber survivaibility/durability, but not by much - Japanese fighters really did not have the firepower to take down B-17s and B-24s reliably.
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