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Peel posted:the revolution will continue despite canadian social-fascist repression poo poo's about to get lit
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so this was a good post and not probation worthy, but i have 2 points i want to make in response: - Okay sure, the owl of minerva flies at dusk, that's a great way to talk about the Bolsheviks and the choices they made narratively, it's not a good way to retroactively analyze them. They liquidated the kulaks because they felt they had no choice - but why did that happen? How was such a scenario entered into in the first place? (As an aside, I don't think Taylorism is at all the problem here, it's not all that different from the Toyota model if we're being serious about it). To take your 'tree of failure', it's not enough to keep failing and then stumble on the right answer (Or to try the same thing, over and over again, as some people itt seem to want to). You have to contextualize what you've already learned into a theoretical model that guides your next steps. If I give you 10 pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, that all have some kind of nature poo poo on them, you can make a good guess that it's a landscape scene that you're putting together. The dichotomy you're erecting here isn't actually necessary and doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's one thing to build castles in the sky, but to use the fear of 'utopianism' to deny the use of any abstraction is absurd - what is Capital itself, if not a text that attempts to abstractly describe capitalism from the personal experience and information presented to one man in a direct and contingent sense? Is Capital now worthless because the capitalism or Marx's day is so totally different from the capitalism of today? That's essentially where your logic leads. - the 'goal' of a leadership is not the same thing as the 'goal' of a system. The leaders of the soviet system could have honestly and sincerely had a goal of dissolving the soviet state into a stateless, classless society. What does that matter? How many bourgeois have the dream of dissolving capitalism itself into a similar structure? Yet their mode of action in that system, and the dynamic of the system, will not ever reach that goal, and does not care about the personal aspirations of any of its members, regardless of class. They know what they do, yet they do it anyway. rudatron fucked around with this message at 19:56 on Jan 8, 2017 |
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splifyphus posted:an honest to god marxy thread on something awful, in the year of our trump 1. im either tripping nutsack or i've time-travelled back to the days of that old-timey xtian calendar system. Breakfast All Day posted:this is a good post, please return after your time in the concentrumpen camp eta: i miss lf Red Dad Redemption fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jan 8, 2017 |
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splifyphus posted:an honest to god marxy thread on something awful, in the year of our trump 1. im either tripping nutsack or i've time-travelled back to the days of that old-timey xtian calendar system. with a few words changed or exchanged, this is exactly the kind of thing I'd say to someone who isn't in the know on communism. this is a fuckin' brilliant post
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You could just gently caress off the thread instead of probating people for good posts, hth
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mandatory re-education? had no idea you were a tankie
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Fados posted:contigency generates retroactively it's own necessity, what
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nice psl guy from sacramento called and the membership process has started. i'm gonna get my card right before moving to beijing lol
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you know it was a good post bc he got probated for it
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Tinker Tankie Soldier Spy posted:nice I talked to them back in November but do to IRL poo poo I said I couldn't work until January and told them to contact me again and it looks like they forgot about me! 
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Dreddout posted:I talked to them back in November but do to IRL poo poo I said I couldn't work until January and told them to contact me again and it looks like they forgot about me! they're in a big recruitment drive now, wouldn't hurt to reach out again
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Yeah I got a follow up email about it
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My laymans interpretation of the USSR, is that it's the same thing that always happens with revolutions. They're bloody and don't always resemble the movement that started the fire Anyway it was pretty much a fascist state in all but name during Stalins regime
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Larry Parrish posted:My laymans interpretation of the USSR, is that it's the same thing that always happens with revolutions. They're bloody and don't always resemble the movement that started the fire yes Larry Parrish posted:Anyway it was pretty much a fascist state in all but name during Stalins regime no
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stalin was bad you loving idiot
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Actually, he was good.
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NO, he was bad. He ran a terror state.
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im also loving jelious of homework explainer's moderator icon
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lol did somebody give you that fasces or did you pick it out yourself?
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Jan 9, 2017 05:24
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he earned it just like we all did!
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Jan 9, 2017 05:25
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The Kingfish posted:lol did somebody give you that fasces or did you pick it out yourself? im just glad its the AMERICAN fasces im not a fascist, im an authoritarian socialist
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I kinda want to get plat now I know this account will survive.
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Baloogan posted:im an authoritarian socialist  Frick yes!
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baloogan got the fasces so he can't hide in this thread when the revolution comes and he tries to claim he was on our side
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lol the revolution came and installed trump
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The Kingfish posted:
i don't ~like~ socialism; but imo its the only way for human civilization to survive. we gotta get to the stars, and we can't let the new 'nobles' replace everyone with robots and kill us all off.
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why do you not like socialism?
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the upper class will inevitably merge with machines in the singularity and lose all vestages of what little human empathy they were already capable of.
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Baloogan posted:im not a fascist, im an authoritarian socialist Baloogan posted:stalin was bad you loving idiot I mean, as far as authoritarian socialists go, Stalin was the best. Unless you're a Tito or Kim Il Sung fanboy or something.
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baloogan is a bigtime pol pot fan
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stalin / pol pot are terrible, worst fuckers ever. without horrible monsters like that (and many others) the world would be a better place.
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i don't think authoritarian socialism is a good thing, I think its a necessary thing to utilize earth's resources in the best way possible to get us to the stars. After we colonize a few planets in a few star systems then whatever, do whatever. But right now we're super hosed if we don't act like a big organisim. Or, if you would like, everyone acting like the employees of a big corporation called Earth. And we're all equal shareholders.
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Baloogan posted:stalin ... without horrible monsters like that (and many others) the world would be a better place. ah so that's what the fasces is for
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Baloogan posted:But right now we're super hosed if we don't act like a big organisim agreed, full communism now
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stalin did a lot to discredit international socialism imo. the purges were pretttttty loving hard to defend
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i don't give a gently caress about ontological categories of good and evil. you can have your problems with the ussr without saying something objectively false like "it was basically fascism"
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Jan 9, 2017 17:30
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rename thread "shameful trot zone"
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zen death robot posted:Proof that it was corrupt: when Gorbachev finally tried to finish what Kruschev started the place fell apart because no one trusted anyone involved with the state sounds like another country we all know and love
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Prav posted:rename thread "shameful trot zone" Rowdy Reds Reveal Revisionism
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sounds like it's time for a little horseshoe theory
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