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RenegadeStyle1 posted:Why were there so many Nazi sympathizers in the US? It seems strange to me after the US had just fought in World War 1. Was it due to the large German population here? I read that was a big reason the US waiting so long to get into WW1 but didn't know if it played a part in WW2. Plenty of anti-semites in the US. Plus the nazis loved killing anyone who didn't fit in, such as homosexuals. They had a lot to bond over!
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Scientific racism - eugenics. Mutual fascination with getting trains to run on time.
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Alhazred posted:Another was caught because he had german sausages in his suitcase. Getting caught was his wurst case scenario
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Isolationism was a big thing in America at the time. Plus, everybody knew that Germany's real target was Russia so it's not really America's business and England losing a few colonies to the Japanese also isn't really America's business. As long as the Monroe Doctrine held, let the Europeans fight their endless wars because that is all they seem capable of.
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Samovar posted:No, no. You mean Schindler's. Fingers and toes systems are interesting because they went out of vogue with shoes but it shows up in linguistic oddities like 20 and multiples of it having similar etymology as if to say "1 man - 2 man" for 20 and 40. Or french counting giving up after 70 and using 4 20s and 4 20s and 10 instead of the expected latin transliterations. And in english, being defined as a score. 12 and 60 were recognized in ancient times and survive as useful counts to modern times because 12 can be easily gradated by 2, 3, and 4, and 60 by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. RenegadeStyle1 posted:Why were there so many Nazi sympathizers in the US? It seems strange to me after the US had just fought in World War 1. Was it due to the large German population here? I read that was a big reason the US waiting so long to get into WW1 but didn't know if it played a part in WW2. zedprime has a new favorite as of 18:34 on Jan 9, 2017 |
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Remember when the Germans imposed brutal terms on the Russians when they surrendered in WW1 and then were sad that the allies did it to them when they lost. 
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steinrokkan posted:Scientific racism - eugenics. Mutual fascination with getting trains to run on time. Wait. A fascination with trains? Oh god. Is....is fascism just autism?
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Slime posted:Wait. A fascination with trains? Oh god. Is....is fascism just autism? Separating people into categories, simplification of art, insisting everyone dress similarly, and a fanatical devotion to certain ideals and lashing out against things that don't fit a certain worldview? Checks out.
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Cingulate posted:Anybody know any good Manhattan Project stories? When I read The Making of the Atomic Bomb what raised my eyebrows the most was the construction of the world's first artificial reactor, Chicago Pile One. I guess our modern perception of nuclear reactors is that they are highly secure, shielded and protected facilities that must be carefully monitored and maintained lest we all die in a nuclear fireball, so learning the first one was literally a pile of graphite blocks, some with uranium in them, that were stacked by hand underneath the bleachers at Stagg Field at the University of Chicago seemed a little negligent to me. Those early guys were really cavalier about radiation.
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zoux posted:When I read The Making of the Atomic Bomb what raised my eyebrows the most was the construction of the world's first artificial reactor, Chicago Pile One. I guess our modern perception of nuclear reactors is that they are highly secure, shielded and protected facilities that must be carefully monitored and maintained lest we all die in a nuclear fireball, so learning the first one was literally a pile of graphite blocks, some with uranium in them, that were stacked by hand underneath the bleachers at Stagg Field at the University of Chicago seemed a little negligent to me. Yeah safety during the early nuclear program was lacking to say the least. There's also the famous story of how people were worried a lightning storm would set off the Trinity Gadget the night before detonation, so someone had to spend the night in the metal tower with the bomb to make sure. Or how for a while every core was hand assembled, often with screwdrivers to make sure poo poo didn't go critical, which had expectedly tragic results
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zoux posted:When I read The Making of the Atomic Bomb what raised my eyebrows the most was the construction of the world's first artificial reactor, Chicago Pile One. I guess our modern perception of nuclear reactors is that they are highly secure, shielded and protected facilities that must be carefully monitored and maintained lest we all die in a nuclear fireball, so learning the first one was literally a pile of graphite blocks, some with uranium in them, that were stacked by hand underneath the bleachers at Stagg Field at the University of Chicago seemed a little negligent to me. My takeaway from the manhattan project was mostly the science man (who was totally wrong) speculating that a nuclear bomb could ignite atmospheric nitrogen. It's really horrific to imagine some military guys just chomping cigars and saying go ahead and light this bitch. Shut up nerd.
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syscall girl posted:My takeaway from the manhattan project was mostly the science man (who was totally wrong) speculating that a nuclear bomb could ignite atmospheric nitrogen. That's a way overstated but very common anecdote. What actually happened was some of the Los Alamos Eggheads were like "hey can this possibly ignite the whole atmosphere" and they went to a Senior Egghead (Teller I think) who did some math that proved it wasn't the case.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:Nivea and Hugo Boss. Any other nazi products I can put on my avoid-list? Any Trump brands
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zoux posted:That's a way overstated but very common anecdote. What actually happened was some of the Los Alamos Eggheads were like "hey can this possibly ignite the whole atmosphere" and they went to a Senior Egghead (Teller I think) who did some math that proved it wasn't the case. Yeah that seems about right. But being a kid in the wake of the cold war doing a book report on it, it sent chills up my spine.
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zoux posted:That's a way overstated but very common anecdote. What actually happened was some of the Los Alamos Eggheads were like "hey can this possibly ignite the whole atmosphere" and they went to a Senior Egghead (Teller I think) who did some math that proved it wasn't the case. It took me a bit to look it up, but here's the relevant passages from The Making of the Atomic Bomb pg 418-19 quote:Theoretically, 12 kilograms of liquid heavy hydrogen –26 pounds– ignited by one atomic bomb would explode with a force equivalent to 1 million tons of TNT. So far as Oppenheimer and his group knew at the beginning of the summer, an equivalent fission explosion would require some 500 atomic bombs. The Hydrogen Bomb was Teller's baby, and he was desperate all through the Manhattan project to get resources devoted to working on it, to the point of developing a vendetta against Oppenheimer for scaling back to focus on finalizing the fission bomb. I really would not be surprised if it turned out he purposefully played up the 'destroy the earth' angle as a way to get people to pay more attention to his idea.
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zoux posted:When I read The Making of the Atomic Bomb what raised my eyebrows the most was the construction of the world's first artificial reactor, Chicago Pile One. I guess our modern perception of nuclear reactors is that they are highly secure, shielded and protected facilities that must be carefully monitored and maintained lest we all die in a nuclear fireball, so learning the first one was literally a pile of graphite blocks, some with uranium in them, that were stacked by hand underneath the bleachers at Stagg Field at the University of Chicago seemed a little negligent to me. There's the old folk etymology for the word "scram" as it pertains to shutting down a nuclear reactor, as standing for something like Safety Control Rod Axe Man. There's supposed to have been a set of control rods, dangling over the reactor pile, held in place by a single rope. In the case of a runaway fission event, there was a guy stationed with an axe ready to chop the rope, drop the rods and stifle the reaction. Whether the Chicago Pile was actually built like that or not, I don't know, but it's a cute enough story. Also I always like the technical euphemisms hiding the horrible monsters of nuclear research. "Critical excursion", "physics package".
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Phy posted:There's the old folk etymology for the word "scram" as it pertains to shutting down a nuclear reactor, as standing for something like Safety Control Rod Axe Man. There's supposed to have been a set of control rods, dangling over the reactor pile, held in place by a single rope. In the case of a runaway fission event, there was a guy stationed with an axe ready to chop the rope, drop the rods and stifle the reaction. Whether the Chicago Pile was actually built like that or not, I don't know, but it's a cute enough story. CP‐1 definitely did have that feature—the axeman was Norman Hilberry. But that’s not really whence “SCRAM” derives. It’s a backronym.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:Dr Oetker was a nazi and volunteered for SS. steinrokkan posted:Checks out.  Germany, 1944: "Bring me the next prisoner"
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Hogge Wild posted:
Oetker pizzas are amazing, and I don't care if it's thanks to Nazi technology. The unfortunate pizzaburger is the only secret weapon that deserves scorn, probably because the camps closed before they could perfect it.
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zoux posted:When I read The Making of the Atomic Bomb what raised my eyebrows the most was the construction of the world's first artificial reactor, Chicago Pile One. I guess our modern perception of nuclear reactors is that they are highly secure, shielded and protected facilities that must be carefully monitored and maintained lest we all die in a nuclear fireball, so learning the first one was literally a pile of graphite blocks, some with uranium in them, that were stacked by hand underneath the bleachers at Stagg Field at the University of Chicago seemed a little negligent to me. At the time people also weren't quite sure just how dangerous radiation was yet. Nuclear anything was this weird thing nobody really knew anything about and people were blundering around and figuring it out. Yeah they had an idea that radiation probably wasn't healthy and criticality accidents could happen but nobody was quite sure how bad it was. Then a few bombs went off, radiation poisoning happened, and...yeah. Related historical fact that is actually kind of not fun. And by that I mean a lot of not fun. Marie Curie probably died of radiation poisoning. She did a ton of work on radioactive elements and early radiation work in general and is pretty much one of the reasons the Manhattan Project was even able to happen in the first place. She carried around radium in her pockets when she was screwing around with it and had a few chunks of glowing stuff on her desk because she liked how it looked. Actual fun information about her! Even though she married a French guy and moved to France she stayed Polish as gently caress her entire life. She even named polonium after Poland. She was also not only the first woman to win the Nobel prize she was the first person to win two of them and the only woman to ever do that. Her husband Pierre was also a pretty good scientist in his own right. They were both pretty much quiet nerds that just wanted to science a lot. They shared a lab and did a very good job of staying out of each others' way but also helping each other and not trying to one up the other. If memory serves Pierre was more famous at the time and did some research that would eventually lead to electronics. Marie, however, has gone down in history in a bigger way because, you know, atomic everything.
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mediocre dad okay posted:Fuckin' Garbo. I love how he managed to convince the Nazis that the main attack was coming through Calais even after Normandy happened. Plus that whole Iron Cross + MBE thing. A goddamn national treasure, that man Pujol was awesome: hired by the Nazis to spy on England and promptly moves to Portugal and just submits intel based on what he reads in magazine and shipping and train timetables. I spent a little time in Lisbon and liked to imagine him kicking back on his balcony overlooking a plaza, sipping on port and flipping through a magazine: "top secret: Laurence Olivier opening in Hamlet in West End on Saturday; send more spy money please."
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AriadneThread posted:Marie Curie's daughter Irène Joliot-Curie also deserves mention for playing a major role in both puzzling out the components of atoms and the possibility of nuclear fission, although it took others to realize the implications of her experimental results. Sounds like alchemy, shall we burn her?
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Marie Curie's notebooks are still so radioactive they can't be viewed up close
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Marie Curie's notebooks are still so radioactive they can't be viewed up close Demon Core http://www.newyorker.com/tech/elements/demon-core-the-strange-death-of-louis-slotin
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:Marie Curie's notebooks are still so radioactive they can't be viewed up close Scholars can handle them, they just have to sign a liability waver and wear protective clothing. The clothing prevents you from carrying hot particles around with you when you leave, but doesn’t do anything to protect you from exposure while in the documents’ presence.
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:Pujol was awesome: hired by the Nazis to spy on England and promptly moves to Portugal and just submits intel based on what he reads in magazine and shipping and train timetables. I love how his whole reason for becoming a double-agent is "The British rejected my application? gently caress it, I'll do it myself." Also the time he had one of his fictional agents die and the British government published an obituary to sell it...and then he went and convinced the Germans to pay a pension to his widow.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:Nivea and Hugo Boss. Any other nazi products I can put on my avoid-list? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_involved_in_the_Holocaust
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Carbon dioxide posted:Schindler was the guy who hid jews from the nazis, if I remember the film correctly. Sorry, was a bad joke on the fact that there's a company called Schindler's Lifts.
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4 RING SHRIMP posted:Nivea and Hugo Boss. Any other nazi products I can put on my avoid-list? 
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The etymology of "gift" in German is very interesting. Originally, Gift meant... gift, the same thing it means in English. And English maintains the original German meaning of the word. However, now Gift (in German) means "poison", because it was used as a euphemism so often.
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Secret Santa '44 was schrecklich as hell.
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Pick posted:The etymology of "gift" in German is very interesting. Originally, Gift meant... gift, the same thing it means in English. And English maintains the original German meaning of the word. However, now Gift (in German) means "poison", because it was used as a euphemism so often. Could also be related to how you use "dose", which in Greek means "a giving". Like a certain amount of something you give of a potion, medicine or, poison. Falukorv has a new favorite as of 20:34 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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That was manufactured by IG Farben, known today as BASF, Bayer and Agfa.
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Take the plunge! Okay! posted:That was manufactured by IG Farben, known today as BASF, Bayer and Agfa. The poison with the pull tab for your convenience.
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Pick posted:The etymology of "gift" in German is very interesting. Originally, Gift meant... gift, the same thing it means in English. And English maintains the original German meaning of the word. However, now Gift (in German) means "poison", because it was used as a euphemism so often. In Dutch, gift means, well gift. There's another Dutch word for gifts, the word 'gift' itself is mostly used in the sense of a charity donation. The Dutch word for poison, toxin and venom is 'gif' without the t. The etymology is the same: a gif is something that's given to someone. Speaking of which, recently I read somewhere that English is actually the only language that has different words for poison, toxin and venom, or at the very least for poisonous and venomous animals. That's why foreigners like myself always get it wrong.
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Carbon dioxide posted:The Dutch word for poison, toxin and venom is 'gif' without the t. The etymology is the same: a gif is something that's given to someone. But how do you pronounce “gif”?
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Platystemon posted:But how do you pronounce “gif”? the 'g' is pronounced like clearing some bad phlegm from your throat.
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