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This is my favorite explanation for a card getting banned ever:WotC posted:Simply put, Smuggler's Copter is too efficient and shows up in too many decks, diminishing the format's diversity. We want Planeswalkers, sorcery-speed removal, and a variety of vehicles to be viable options, and believe removing Smuggler's Copter will allow them to flourish again. Or, you could, I don't know, make better cards in all those aspects. Copter is dead. Time to move to the other elephant in the room: 
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YeehawMcKickass posted:I'm a little iffy about them banning roflcopter, but I do agree with Emrakul and Reflector Mage. Emrakul is just so far beyond powerful that there's really no other choice. Reflector Mage was a carry over from reverting to the old rotation schedule. I honestly wouldn't have had the full turn cool down on recasting though. Don't worry we still have a vigilant version that doesn't even need creatures to activate. FYI reflector mage was really oppressive in the saheeli combo deck. You could bounce one or even two things a turn basically forever.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:16
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I just bought Probes  ...  Also, Reflector Mage???
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Jan 9, 2017 20:16
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This kind of move screams that they're flailing about declining standard numbers and are just throwing poo poo at the wall at this point. Why the hell would you ban the copter and reflector mage when poo poo like siege rhino and grey merchant and pack rat dominated standards just as much? because Wizards is legit terrified of their tanking standard numbers Well it sure was nice of them to wipe out aggressive decks, the rival combo deck, and the most disruptive
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Jan 9, 2017 20:17
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Well it wasn't catban but I'm thrilled, party at my house tonight.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:17
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What did reflector mage ever do? I mean it's good in the fringe deck Panharmonicon?
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Jan 9, 2017 20:18
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Fish Of Doom posted:What did reflector mage ever do? I mean it's good in the fringe deck Panharmonicon? It snapped creature centric decks in half. ...Off Collected Company. I don't know it's doing in this standard.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:18
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GonSmithe posted:Huey said on Twitter they found a deck that abused Reflector Mage, so they must have been talking with some pros.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:19
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Modern just got better. That is for loving sure. STandard is far from being unfucked though.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:19
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A big flaming stink posted:This kind of move screams that they're flailing about declining standard numbers and are just throwing poo poo at the wall at this point. Siege Rhino went in one deck (2 if you want distinguish between versions of Abzan). Copter was in everything that didn't play Emrakul.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:20
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GonSmithe posted:Huey said on Twitter they found a deck that abused Reflector Mage, so they must have been talking with some pros. Flickering it with the cat in Twin maybe? Edit: Yeah like everyone else said.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:20
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I mean if WoTC just printed answered instead of threats this would have been avoided. Standard is Creatures: The Gathering now while we continually hear things like "lightning bolt and counterspell are too good" Get good at set design Wizards
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Jan 9, 2017 20:21
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Jan 9, 2017 20:21
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"Our design and development teams are terrible at creating sets that foster a good standard environment despite a wealth of information on how to do so, and so we will instead use frequent and heavy handed ban and restriction decisions to try and make the game playable." I can feel that MTG Finance bubble getting ready to burst.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:21
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These are all great changes and have a good chance at making Standard playable again. Emrakul was obvious, Copter is way too good, and Reflector Mage is too good for tempo decks. I don't play or watch Modern enough to care about those bans, but it seems like forcing Infect to play fair is a good thing.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:22
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Rinkles posted:Siege Rhino went in one deck (2 if you want distinguish between versions of Abzan). Copter was in everything that didn't play Emrakul. Thragtusk, then.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:22
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Count Bleck posted:Copter is dead. Time to move to the other elephant in the room: This reminds me of a top 10 cards in Invasion article that prefaced nearly all of them with "it costs 1 more but". And nearly all of them were bad cards.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:22
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Mage isn't even all that oppressive now.. LOL.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:23
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Also condolences to my LGS buddy who loudly bragged about the Preordain playset he picked up ahead of its imminent unbanning.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:23
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I really enjoy playing games with Looter Scooter and I'm sad that they had to kill it but it legitimately was way too good. I'm baffled by Reflector Mage
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Jan 9, 2017 20:23
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A big flaming stink posted:This kind of move screams that they're flailing about declining standard numbers and are just throwing poo poo at the wall at this point. I 100% agree with this. Remember they also did the Standard Showdown(lol) thing and changed the rotation? There's some serious flailing going on here.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:24
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am i reading a dude saying siege rhino wasnt oppressive also good job wotc on loving up with your six month rotation plan then loving up with your other plans for standard and not knowing what problems to fix or how to fix them
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Jan 9, 2017 20:24
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Copy Cat lives!!!!
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Jan 9, 2017 20:24
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We're 4/4 on artifact-themed sets and standard bans now btw.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:25
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I'm telling you guys that with revolt reflector mage is (or would have been I guess) oppressive. e: I can see them being unsure of the power level of vehicles just like equipment where we got jitte and skullclamp early on. I just wish they were better at their jobs I guess.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:25
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I'm telling you guys that with revolt reflector mage is (or would have been I guess) oppressive. Reflector Mage can't target your own things?
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Jan 9, 2017 20:26
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Also, all the more reason to not bother buying back into standard. Heavy handed bannings that will now happen twice as often do not make me want to put money into a good deck.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:26
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:We're 4/4 on artifact-themed sets and standard bans now btw. :coolbert: E: Coolbert is gone? Guess coolfish will work. 
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Jan 9, 2017 20:26
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BJPaskoff posted:These are all great changes and have a good chance at making Standard playable again. Emrakul was obvious, Copter is way too good, and Reflector Mage is too good for tempo decks. I don't play or watch Modern enough to care about those bans, but it seems like forcing Infect to play fair is a good thing. I have Cat Lady sleeved up and ready to go. Can't wait for my cats to come in. Now what to replace reflector mage with.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:27
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Sickening posted:Modern just got better. That is for loving sure. 
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Jan 9, 2017 20:27
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suicidesteve posted:They also forgot to ban Probe in older formats. Quoting for truth. How long are you going to wait to buy? I'm gonna give it 72 hours.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:27
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A big flaming stink posted:Thragtusk, then. I didn't play at that time, but I'm guessing they decided to ban the borderline stuff because they were already passing the Rubicon (Emmy absolutely needed to go).
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Jan 9, 2017 20:27
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:Also, all the more reason to not bother buying back into standard. Heavy handed bannings that will now happen twice as often do not make me want to put money into a good deck. standard: not fun, but also not cheap wotc: we've tried a lot to figure out why people aren't willing to spend more money to play with cards they dont like, but we've settled on buying guns and threatening players with death
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Jan 9, 2017 20:27
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I guess they think that without Emrakul in the format than WU Flash would be too good. They are probably right.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:28
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DEATH POOL TIME!!
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Jan 9, 2017 20:28
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Look I can understand banning mage to preemptively weaken the Copy Cat deck, but Copter was one of the few things that could threaten the opponent's Saheeli if they curved Inspector into two drop into just running the Saheeli out turn three. I don't understand leaving actual Twin combo in standard.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:28
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rabidsquid posted:am i reading a dude saying siege rhino wasnt oppressive Yeah I think so. Too good, but not oppressive.
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Jan 9, 2017 20:29
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you really don't understand why they don't want to ban out the combo that sells more mythics
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Jan 9, 2017 20:29
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Smashing Link posted:Quoting for truth. How long are you going to wait to buy? I'm gonna give it 72 hours. A while. It's probably going to take a few days for them to come down and I want mine in Russian which are going to take even longer because the people on ebay and TCGPlayer are idiots.
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rabidsquid posted:you really don't understand why they don't want to ban out the combo that sells more mythics To be fair they banned a pretty popular mythic just now.
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