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New dev diary with the next age and its bonuses. Plus a mysterious new HRE-like thing in the bottom right  e: lol I didn't even notice, it says "china" in black text. wonder what it could be?also:  Japan's getting nearly nearly twice as many provinces. China and Manchuria also getting a few more from what we've seen. Koramei fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Despite my hundreds and hundreds of hours in this game, I still dont understand how I can get stackwiped defending a mountain province with army with a 35% morale bonus and 10% Discipline bonus and a 2/3/3/1 general when I am fighting 30k with 20k. I can understand losing, but getting stackwiped is absurd. Yes my maintenance was at full. They are French without their Elan bonus, and I am Castillian with my morale and discipline bonuses.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:07
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Despite my hundreds and hundreds of hours in this game, I still dont understand how I can get stackwiped defending a mountain province with army with a 35% morale bonus and 10% Discipline bonus and a 2/3/3/1 general when I am fighting 30k with 20k. I can understand losing, but getting stackwiped is absurd. Yes my maintenance was at full. They are French without their Elan bonus, and I am Castillian with my morale and discipline bonuses. You don't mention tech level, ideas, or the enemy general. Also, were you sieging at the time?
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Jan 10, 2017 19:16
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Gort posted:You don't mention tech level, ideas, or the enemy general. Also, were you sieging at the time?
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Jan 10, 2017 19:19
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You know, I wouldn't mind a window in which you select a country and get a side-by-side comparison of one of your soldiers to one of theirs.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:20
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Baron Corbyn posted:You could get colonialism, global trade, manufactories and the enlightenment to spawn in China if you meet the criteria. The renaissance and the printing press (I believe) are guaranteed to spawn in Europe. Global trade is easy as heck to get for yourself because it always spawns within the richest trade node in the world. The rest are pretty random though.
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Jan 10, 2017 19:20
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I've got persia as a vassal, made out of one province from QQ. Now, persian separatists are loving up timurids and also occasionally flipping provinces to my vassal's control, which gives them ridiculous liberty desire. If I get 60 spy score, support those rebels, declare on tims with 'enforce rebel demands' cb, and win...what will happen? Will I get what I want - giant persia without giant liberty desire? These situations where the game mechanics aren't clear are the only thing I dislike about iron man 
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Jan 10, 2017 19:28
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Koramei posted:New dev diary with the next age and its bonuses. Plus a mysterious new HRE-like thing in the bottom right AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Jan 10, 2017 19:53
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Oh no
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Jan 10, 2017 19:58
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awesmoe posted:I've got persia as a vassal, made out of one province from QQ. Now, persian separatists are loving up timurids and also occasionally flipping provinces to my vassal's control, which gives them ridiculous liberty desire. Generic advice for when I don't know the answer and it's unlikely anyone else will either: make a copy of the save, try it and find out, roll back if something crazy happens.
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Jan 10, 2017 20:24
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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awesmoe posted:I've got persia as a vassal, made out of one province from QQ. Now, persian separatists are loving up timurids and also occasionally flipping provinces to my vassal's control, which gives them ridiculous liberty desire. PittTheElder posted:Generic advice for when I don't know the answer and it's unlikely anyone else will either: make a copy of the save, try it and find out, roll back if something crazy happens. I agree with that, but my gut instinct is that you're going to have giant persia with liberty desire in the hundreds.
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Jan 10, 2017 20:27
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For fucks sake, Aragon gets pulled out of my war with England and Portugal when the Iberian Wedding fires?
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Jan 10, 2017 20:40
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Liberty desire from provinces flipping is insanely high right now. They either need to lower the amount each province gives or put a cap on it. On the other hand, liberty desire reduction from developing your subject is supposedly also way too high right now, though I haven't tested it myself. So maybe it kinda evens out.
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Jan 10, 2017 20:44
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:For fucks sake, Aragon gets pulled out of my war with England and Portugal when the Iberian Wedding fires? Yep, they become the lesser member in the union so they can no longer be at war without Castille. It would make more sense for Castille to get pulled in also instead of forcing peace on Aragon, but that's not how it's programmed when a country becomes the lesser of a union due to an event. If you are fighting Aragon when it fires the war gets white peaced out as well, especially annoying when you are Naples and trying to break free.
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Jan 10, 2017 20:58
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Bold Robot posted:Liberty desire from provinces flipping is insanely high right now. They either need to lower the amount each province gives or put a cap on it. A bunch of provinces full of rebels that just kicked out their lovely overlords realized they have a lovely overlord and they are more powerful than that overlord as well. Sounds more fair than most of history.
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Jan 10, 2017 21:08
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Speaking of Naples, I have been thinking about trying for Not just pizza and Italian ambition, what's a good strategy for naples in this version? I feel like their ideas are quite lovely.
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Jan 10, 2017 21:15
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aeglus posted:A bunch of provinces full of rebels that just kicked out their lovely overlords realized they have a lovely overlord and they are more powerful than that overlord as well. Sounds more fair than most of history. The bolded part is the problem. Liberty desire already accounts for relative strength. Provinces flipping adds a huge amount of liberty desire regardless of relative strength. I'm not saying it should go away entirely, but it's pretty silly when, for example, you're playing Ottomans and a few Timurid provinces flip to Persia - which is still significantly weaker than you - and suddenly they've got sky-high liberty desire.
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Jan 10, 2017 21:31
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deathbagel posted:Yep, they become the lesser member in the union so they can no longer be at war without Castille. It would make more sense for Castille to get pulled in also instead of forcing peace on Aragon, but that's not how it's programmed when a country becomes the lesser of a union due to an event.
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Jan 10, 2017 21:42
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TorakFade posted:Speaking of Naples, I have been thinking about trying for Not just pizza and Italian ambition, what's a good strategy for naples in this version?
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Jan 10, 2017 21:51
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:The problem here is that I am Castille. I was allied to Aragon. I pulled them into my war against Portugal and England. England somehow has 10 heavies, 30 transports, and 50k men in 1460 so I kinda need the help if I want to win the war. I see. Well now that is definitely quite a problem. I always make sure I have at least 10 heavies before slugging it out with England, though it's very hard to do with Castille considering the shoestring budget they start with. That sounds even more irritating than the Naples situation for sure. TorakFade posted:Speaking of Naples, I have been thinking about trying for Not just pizza and Italian ambition, what's a good strategy for naples in this version? I think the tried and true "get France to become your friend and break you loose" tactic will still work. After that I'd probably go after Serbia for the Kosovo gold mine, then maybe head into Africa to expand your income and manpower, striking at the Pope if he ever gives you an opening. Then wait for North Italy to drop from the HRE and have a field day. I thought about doing Naples during the run I just started, but ended up just doing Aragon instead.  I still am not sure what I'm going to do as my long term goal. Right now I'm trying to build up enough to break the Ottomenace. I'm 90% of the way through with integrating Tlemecen which is going to give me lots of fun destabilization while I'm trying to convert all their Sunni provinces. deathbagel fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Jan 10, 2017 22:40
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:For fucks sake, Aragon gets pulled out of my war with England and Portugal when the Iberian Wedding fires? Yup. PU mechanics in this game are absolutely bizarre.
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Jan 10, 2017 22:44
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is there a reason the teutonic order is consistently refusing my break alliance demand when they have +3 reason and a big YES
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Jan 11, 2017 01:12
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oddium posted:is there a reason the teutonic order is consistently refusing my break alliance demand when they have +3 reason and a big YES I heard somewhere that the trust modifier is applied before they actually make the decision, but that isn't reflected in the UI. So you actually need to have like +6 reasons or something.
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Jan 11, 2017 01:16
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Yeah, the UI is broken. A margin >5 seems to do it.
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Jan 11, 2017 01:20
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cool thanks
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Jan 11, 2017 01:30
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Ah so that's why the AI keeps refusing to break alliances when it says it will. That's good to know, thanks.
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Jan 11, 2017 01:40
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Stealing maps. How does it work? All of the regions say I can't steal that map because I don't have a unit in that region. Do I have to move a boat next to the uncovered region for that to turn yes? It seems kinda stupid. I'm stealing maps. They are pieces of paper. Why do I need military or navy presence?
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Jan 11, 2017 02:34
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Node posted:Stealing maps. How does it work? All of the regions say I can't steal that map because I don't have a unit in that region. Do I have to move a boat next to the uncovered region for that to turn yes? Yeah, needs to be adjacent to the area you're stealing from. It's really annoying as asian nations without exploration. I wish you could just steal and share without the unit requirement. It costs prestige and there are so many sea areas and on and on...I dunno.
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Jan 11, 2017 02:36
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playing as the papal state, wondering about this: imagine another one in front who also got the curia controller bonus. kingdom of god was declared. non-curia pope was a sinner. questions are: do all kingdom of god popes get the curia controller ae bonus can sinners not be curia controller does the curia controller bonus just still exist and shift to who would get it had kingdom of god not been declared when a new pope popes
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oddium posted:playing as the papal state, wondering about this: I think this is how it works, I kept noticing the controller bonus appear and disappear as well. In the end I save modded to restore Curia function so I could at least see what was happening. IMO that decision should make you permanent controller, given what it represents and that the current bonus is quite lame. Should also be the only thing that can make you empire rank so you can get cultural union.
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Jan 11, 2017 03:39
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awesmoe posted:I've got persia as a vassal, made out of one province from QQ. Now, persian separatists are loving up timurids and also occasionally flipping provinces to my vassal's control, which gives them ridiculous liberty desire. PittTheElder posted:Generic advice for when I don't know the answer and it's unlikely anyone else will either: make a copy of the save, try it and find out, roll back if something crazy happens. Results are in! Supporting the persian rebels in both cases with the spy action before declaring. Declaring with reconquest CB - worked just like normal reconquest, but allied with rebel deathstacks. 25% ae, 75% cost for all provinces that I took back. Standard stuff. Warscore varied depending on which provinces I claimed, as usual. Note that I could claim provinces that the rebels were holding. Declaring with support rebels CB - war as above, allied with rebels. Flat 50 warscore and 0 ae to turn ALL rebel-held persian provinces over to my vassal. I didn't get any abnormal liberty desire increase for this (persia got a lot stronger so it jumped, but that's expected) The key note with this one, though - all land taken by me, my vassals, and my allies, even when turned over to persia, wasn't included in the winnings. And you can't hand control of an occupied province to the rebels. So you need to beat the poo poo out of the enemy far away from the land you're trying to claim, and wait for the rebels to capture everything you want on their own.
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Quorum posted:I think this is how it works, I kept noticing the controller bonus appear and disappear as well. In the end I save modded to restore Curia function so I could at least see what was happening. IMO that decision should make you permanent controller, given what it represents and that the current bonus is quite lame. Should also be the only thing that can make you empire rank so you can get cultural union. Should also change your name to The Kingdom of God imo, I like my stupid name changes.
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Jan 11, 2017 07:13
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Is the go-to strat for a Castille start still "Release Galicia, feed Portugal to it"? There are a bunch of achievements tied to Castille/Spain that I am going to go after. Release Galicia, use it to cut Portugal in half (leave them a few rich provinces at least) and then vassalize them. Now you have two vassals whom at least one of which will colonize (slower than normal, ~1/3 speed from my experience) and have your colonies shipping boatloads of cash your way asap. Meanwhile gently caress up France every chance you get and once you're the biggest strongest boy in Europe just start force vassalizing the smallest HRE electors until you have 4 of them (you'll probably need to have integrated Aragon and Galicia at least to get the slots)
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420 Gank Mid posted:Release Galicia, use it to cut Portugal in half (leave them a few rich provinces at least) and then vassalize them. Now you have two vassals whom at least one of which will colonize (slower than normal, ~1/3 speed from my experience) and have your colonies shipping boatloads of cash your way asap. Meanwhile gently caress up France every chance you get and once you're the biggest strongest boy in Europe just start force vassalizing the smallest HRE electors until you have 4 of them (you'll probably need to have integrated Aragon and Galicia at least to get the slots) You could try subsidizing your colonizing vassals for a while if they're colonizing slowly. I don't know how effective it will be on vassals specifically, but it's extremely good for making sure the colonial nations themselves will cover a lot of ground. Just throwing them 10 or even 5 ducats a month for a couple decades will be a drop in the bucket to you, but a gigantic help to them (thus eventually to you, through tariffs).
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skasion posted:You could try subsidizing your colonizing vassals for a while if they're colonizing slowly. I don't know how effective it will be on vassals specifically, but it's extremely good for making sure the colonial nations themselves will cover a lot of ground. Just throwing them 10 or even 5 ducats a month for a couple decades will be a drop in the bucket to you, but a gigantic help to them (thus eventually to you, through tariffs). They don't even need that much. I usually give them 2 or 3 a month. The AI is eager to throw its money into colonists and will use any money you give them for that above almost everything else, so you really just need to pay the maintenance for their colonist.
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420 Gank Mid posted:Release Galicia, use it to cut Portugal in half (leave them a few rich provinces at least) and then vassalize them. Now you have two vassals whom at least one of which will colonize (slower than normal, ~1/3 speed from my experience) and have your colonies shipping boatloads of cash your way asap. Meanwhile gently caress up France every chance you get and once you're the biggest strongest boy in Europe just start force vassalizing the smallest HRE electors until you have 4 of them (you'll probably need to have integrated Aragon and Galicia at least to get the slots) After a few tries I got lucky that the Iberian Wedding fired after the war with Portugal and England (and I annulled the alliance between the two) and after I annexed Navarre, instead of in the middle of either. France is, of course, allied to the Ottomans. I am trying to figure out how to steal Provence from The Pope so I can get access to Northern Italy and Germany so I can start vassalizing electors. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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The colonies will turn the right color when you eventually annex Portugal iirc
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skasion posted:The colonies will turn the right color when you eventually annex Portugal iirc  when did this change?!? I may have to keep them around...
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deathbagel posted:I think the tried and true "get France to become your friend and break you loose" tactic will still work. After that I'd probably go after Serbia for the Kosovo gold mine, then maybe head into Africa to expand your income and manpower, striking at the Pope if he ever gives you an opening. Then wait for North Italy to drop from the HRE and have a field day. I thought about doing Naples during the run I just started, but ended up just doing Aragon instead. I might have hosed up in one of the best start ever. Aragon declared immediately on Navarra and castile beat them up badly, making them immediately release me. I am allied and royal married to france, castile and savoy and rivaled Aragon hoping to reclaim my cores but then the iberian wedding fires and I am stuck with castile as an ally and no reasonable way to get my cores back. Every possible expansion into Italy is currently blocked by all Italian minors and the Pope allying Austria and me not gaining favors with france fast enough (30 years for 10 favors), and North Africa looks like they are way stronger than me. In the balkans Ottomans have gotten Serbia and Albania is venetian. What should I be doing? Breaking my alliance and marriage with Castile in a while to try and get back my cores in Sicily with France's help (they are now rivals of Castile since the wedding, started out being neutral to them that's why I allied both)? Or wait until Austria get in a war and attack the Pope to get a foothold towards northern italy? I'm never good at the waiting game, I always play big nations that can pretty much attack whenever they want. I am only 10 years in, maybe I should just restart and gain independence and cores by letting castile and France destroy Aragon while supporting my independence? Also what is a good first idea for naples? Thinking diplo, I usually go influence for the -core creation cost but never use vassals that much, and exploration seems a waste right now at diptech 4. MAybe trade since I'm poor? But I only control a tiny amount of trade power in genoa... TorakFade fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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TorakFade posted:I might have hosed up in one of the best start ever. Aragon declared immediately on Navarra and castile beat them up badly, making them immediately release me. I am allied and royal married to france, castile and savoy and rivaled Aragon hoping to reclaim my cores but then the iberian wedding fires and I am stuck with castile as an ally and no reasonable way to get my cores back. At that point it sounds like you have 2 options. Either break ties with Castile and let France and Savoy crush them or play opportunistic and wait for one of your neighbors to do something stupid. If the Pope still has Avignon you might be able to convince France to join the war with them by promising them territory. You also might think about jumping on Venice or the Mamluks (no CB war is painful, but if you can get a foothold in Egypt in Alexandria/Rosetta it can definitely be worth the pain) as soon as the Ottomans decide to crush them (if they haven't already.)
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