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Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Fleta Mcgurn posted:

Polygon rear end is a good combination of words. Thank you. The pointy butts of Final Fantasy also thank you.

You're welcome.

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Xelkelvos
Dec 19, 2012

P-Mack posted:

Yeah, I know that and think it's cool, but the person in the article is looking at 日 and seeing 🌞 the same way I see "sun" and think 🌞, because that's what we were taught.

Nowadays Chinese really isn't pictorial outside of like, 龜.

Like I sort of get what she was saying but I think its not quite as different or unique as she thinks it is. You get into like Latin roots and stuff in English where words are assembled from the meaning of smaller components.

I dunno, not really a linguistics guy.

Yeah, that parallel in the article is a bit retarded to anyone who understands the principles of linguistics. Also, Chinese is basically the only modern language that uses any sort of pictographical or logographical writing system. Every other living language is either Syllabic like Japanese Kana or segmented which have phonetic characters so trying to make any sort of writing parallels between Chinese and any other language is like trying to compare apples to crankshafts.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"
How do you say "I'm gay" in mandarin?

Gargamel Gibson
Apr 24, 2014
Homosexuality does not exist in China. Nor does happiness if you meant it that way.

randomcommoner
Sep 6, 2006
it's a-me
我不是同性戀,所以我不能評論

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Gargamel Gibson posted:

Homosexuality does not exist in China. Nor does happiness if you meant it that way.

Nor does homosexuality exist in Japan it is a western import please ignore these medieval woodcuts of effeminate samurai fuckboys

cnut
May 3, 2016

Fojar38 posted:

please ignore these medieval woodcuts of effeminate samurai fuckboys

Yeah, right, I'm only human!

Pockyless
Jun 6, 2004
With flaming Canadians and such :(

pentyne posted:

Bit of a simplification but holy gently caress who would leave their native country after 30 years for a foreign land without even having a basic grasp of the new language they were about to be immersed in?

Quite a few people in this thread

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Fojar38 posted:

Nor does homosexuality exist in Japan it is a western import please ignore these medieval woodcuts of effeminate samurai fuckboys

No gays, AIDS or SARS in Korea either. Kimchi is the cure-all for everything.

oohhboy
Jun 8, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Blistex posted:

What's crazy is that the British would march up to a town/village/city/battlefield and everyone would be dead, and they would be totally confused as to what happened. The actual fighting between the British and the Chinese was more or less a sideshow to the infighting going on in China. Warlords would see that the imperial army was in disarray during this time and would swoop in and wreck their own people's poo poo to make some short-term gains. Also the numerous representatives of the emperor pretending they had the power to mediate and the British getting pissed that nothing was happening, and moving on to the next garrison to destroy. It was basically the Chinese lining up to get curb-stomped over and over, and the guy next in line would tell the person behind him that they were winning.

Also, like you said, the "Nemesis" was a quantum leap in ship design. Since it had a paddle-wheel drive it could steam up rivers and had two pivot-mounted 32-pounder and four 6-pounder guns, and a rocket launcher. She was almost literally invulnerable to the Chinese ships and land batteries since she had guns that far out-ranged her opponents, and a hull that could repel any fire from ships fast enough to close the range.

quote:

“Repeatedly during the war, Qing armies of thousands would be routed by a few hundred, or even a few dozen well-disciplined British troops with functioning artillery and battle-plans.19

During the Opium War, Qing politicians of the pro- and anti-war faction could agree on only one thing: that their army was hopeless. Travelling east from Canton to Zhejiang in 1841, Lin Zexu bluntly analysed the reasons for the army’s lack of interest in fighting the British. ‘The most coveted positions in the Guangdong garrisons were in the naval fleet, where one per cent of salaries was drawn from the grain and silver stipend, and the rest from opium-smugglers’ bribes. Once we banned opium, ninety-nine per cent of the navy’s income went up in smoke. How could we expect them to resist the English rebels?’20 ‘Our soldiers cheat everyone’, echoed Qiying, the emperor’s chief negotiator at the close of the war. ‘They refuse to pay full prices, gather in brothels and gambling dens, corrupt the sons of good families and handle stolen goods.’21

Beyond these technical military difficulties, though, lay a more severe flaw in the Qing war effort: a lack of interest in admitting that any kind of serious incident – let alone a war – with the British was happening at all.”

“At pains to show themselves to be civilized, the British tried hard to inform their adversaries of their demands before they pulverized them in battle. Through July, the fleet made several unsuccessful attempts to deliver Lord Palmerston’s letter to the Chinese emperor at various points along the eastern coast. The first took place on 2 July, two days before the fleet reduced Zhoushan’s defences to rubble, when one of the fleet’s translators (a clerk in the pay of Jardine-Matheson), Robert Thom, was ordered to make for the island of Xiamen and find someone in authority to receive the document. Greeted successively by threatening noises, furious howls of ‘No!’, an arrow that he dodged by hurling himself to the deck, bullets and cannonfire, he eventually gave up on the idea.22 (As usual, English and Chinese accounts of the encounter diverged. Jocelyn reported that the Chinese were given, in return for their welcome, a ‘severe chastisement’ (two and a half hours of broadsides); the local governor-general Deng Tingzhen claimed that, under his leadership, a large British warship was sunk.23 As the war developed, the practice of fictionalizing battle reports – begun with Lin Zexu’s version of the skirmish of November 1839 – would introduce serious cracks into the Qing chain of command. By 1841, the emperor had lost, with a good deal of justification, all trust in provincial dispatches, requesting independent verifications from a veteran official that he, in turn, threatened to check ‘in other places’.24)”

Excerpt From: Julia Lovell. “The Opium War.” iBooks.

The Wiki doesn't count it but the British lost 448 men to disease out of 5,329 in one place to malaria(Flu like symptoms and vomiting) and dysentery(making GBS threads to death).

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

oohhboy posted:

The Wiki doesn't count it but the British lost 448 men to disease out of 5,329 in one place to malaria(Flu like symptoms and vomiting) and dysentery(making GBS threads to death).

Sounds like they were eating Chinese food.

McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

The gutter oil flu.

ded
Oct 27, 2005

Kooler than Jesus

Blistex posted:

Sounds like they were eating Chinese food.

western man cannot digest chinese food properly as they are different

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

Blistex posted:

No gays, AIDS or SARS in Korea either. Kimchi is the cure-all for everything.

Eh, Korea acknowledges the gays exist. It's just still considered about as icky as it was in the US/Europe 15-20 years ago.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Warbadger posted:

Eh, Korea acknowledges the gays exist. It's just still considered about as icky as it was in the US/Europe 15-20 years ago.

This was a line that I was fed back in 2006 when I first went to Korea. I figured they were wrong about they gay aspect when a Korean guy in his 40's grabbed my dilz in the sauna when I was having a nap.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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Maybe they believe that they haven't had gay people historically because they operated on Greco-Roman rules of buttfucking (only gay if you're catching and even then it doesnt make you gay it makes you a woman)

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

It's not gay, it's Korean culture, please respect it.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax

pentyne posted:

holy gently caress who would leave their native country after 30 years for a foreign land without even having a basic grasp of the new language they were about to be immersed in?
I'm getting triggered over here

staberind
Feb 20, 2008

but i dont wanna be a spaceship
Fun Shoe
to be fair, its adventurous, I did the same thing at about 20, but actually learned Japanese.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Glenn Quebec posted:

Don't loving no why me guys I want a real answer

For the no tea while sick thing I'm sure it's about qi and magical energy and other horseshit. For normally... ? ? ?

quote:

I’d go in just after the Old Swan opened and read and write. “A cup of hot water without a tea bag please,” I would say. The woman behind the counter began to take this as a sort of weird insult, knowing that I would be sitting in the corner for hours.

Captain Yossarian posted:

How do you say "I'm gay" in mandarin?

我是同志

Wo shi tongzhi is the only way I know. Tongzhi also means comrade but is now slang for gay, and the CCP is insisting on party members calling each other comrade again so Chinese people are very amused.

Jeoh posted:

It's not gay, it's Korean culture, please respect it.

I was also told there are no gay people in Korea.

My first month in Korea I didn't know anything and thought they were really open and accepting of gays because there were openly, flaming gay dudes everywhere. Later I learned it's manly in Korea to sit on your friend's lap and do his makeup while he grabs your thigh nothing gay about it, just bro stuff.

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
"Do Asian people get nonsensical English words tattooed on their bodies the way that non-Asian people get random Chinese characters tattooed on their bodies?"

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


I realise it probably says Personal Best but I read it as Seasonal Best at first

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
That woman has since published multiple books, directed movies, and become a naturalized citizen of the UK. She overcame her indoctrination and endured the hardships of living in a completely different place from her own and succeeded. Good for her!

I found the whole "we" and "I" thing interesting. It's not really a language thing as much as an ideology thing, since the words in Chinese mean the same thing in English. It's just that she a very inward looking view of things to the point where the word "we" implicitly included "the Chinese people" in her head.

Also studying a language by opening a dictionary and starting from "A" is a very Chinese way of studying.

Murray Mantoinette
Jun 11, 2005

THE  POSTS  MUST  FLOW
Clapping Larry

simplefish posted:

I realise it probably says Personal Best but I read it as Seasonal Best at first

mikerock
Oct 29, 2005

Plastic surgery with Chinese characteristics coming to a Lower Mainland basement near you!

quote:

Patients of suspected fake Delta, B.C., plastic surgeon warned to get tested for HIV, hepatitis
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...titis-1.3908147

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


There is very little more horrifying or upsetting to me than the prospect of getting HIV or any sort of disease transmitted to me from back alley surgery.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


It's a common enough thing for people to become barbers and then move on to unlicensed and no qualification dentistry afterward that there's a specific name for it, black dentists.

mikerock
Oct 29, 2005

basic hitler posted:

There is very little more horrifying or upsetting to me than the prospect of getting HIV or any sort of disease transmitted to me from back alley surgery.

It's easy enough to avoid basement plastic surgeons by not ever going to one.

Grand Fromage posted:

It's a common enough thing for people to become barbers and then move on to unlicensed and no qualification dentistry afterward that there's a specific name for it, black dentists.

That sounds like some sort of Dickensian horror where the dentist takes a tot of rum and then pulls your tooth.

Yorkshire Pudding
Nov 24, 2006



How the gently caress do you make the jump from barber to fake dentist? Why not just go straight into fake dentist? What possible skills could running a clipper over someone's scalp give you that would benefit you yanking out people's rotted molars?

ocrumsprug
Sep 23, 2010

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

How the gently caress do you make the jump from barber to fake dentist? Why not just go straight into fake dentist? What possible skills could running a clipper over someone's scalp give you that would benefit you yanking out people's rotted molars?

A chair that leans back.

Krinkle
Feb 9, 2003

Ah do believe Ah've got the vapors...
Ah mean the farts


Well the overhead is having a chair that can raise or lower when you step on a pedal. I would assume.

Riot Bimbo
Dec 28, 2006


Yorkshire Pudding posted:

How the gently caress do you make the jump from barber to fake dentist? Why not just go straight into fake dentist? What possible skills could running a clipper over someone's scalp give you that would benefit you yanking out people's rotted molars?

have you seen the cost of a legit boob job? im not made of money, but I need a sweet pair of DDs under my hairy man chest

crazy cloud
Nov 7, 2012

by Cyrano4747
Lipstick Apathy

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

How the gently caress do you make the jump from barber to fake dentist? Why not just go straight into fake dentist? What possible skills could running a clipper over someone's scalp give you that would benefit you yanking out people's rotted molars?

Krinkle posted:

Well the overhead is having a chair that can raise or lower when you step on a pedal. I would assume.

loving lol

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


I think this is the Sinica episode where they talked about it. https://www.podcat.com/podcasts/YwNpqh-popup-chinese/episodes/6JSwyd-sinica-styling-it-in-china

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

Yorkshire Pudding posted:

How the gently caress do you make the jump from barber to fake dentist? Why not just go straight into fake dentist? What possible skills could running a clipper over someone's scalp give you that would benefit you yanking out people's rotted molars?

It's the medieval way. Barbers used to do dentistry

Haier
Aug 10, 2007

by Lowtax
Re: 5000 years of lies

What is y'all's guess on the percentage of modern English high school and university (100-200 level) world/Asian history texts contain anything about 5000 years of Chinese history/culture?

I kinda want to download some textbooks and find out if any say that.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Outside China? There are certainly going to be some. "World history" textbooks for those survey courses are a poo poo job to make and often poorly researched, so people with a deadline and no idea might just throw it in. There's not going to be any legitimate academic material making the 5000 year claim though. The CCP made that up and it's based on using a chronology that includes mythical figures like the Yellow Emperor.

Actual information:

- Putting a specific date on the beginning of a culture is really hard and not necessarily useful. It's not like you have a people who are X culture one day and Y the next.
- History in the academic sense means writing, and the oldest known, proven, and dated Chinese writing is about 3,600 years old. Therefore, Chinese history begins 3,600 years ago unless earlier writing is uncovered. Now, that writing that has been found is clearly a fully developed writing system so it's not like they made it up the day before they carved those turtle shells, it's certainly somewhat older than 3,600 years. But you have to find some, otherwise it's speculative and useless.
- Dating back to the beginning of human habitation is possible in theory but completely useless, a culture living in the Yellow River valley 20,000 years ago is not Chinese. Also that means the US has ~30,000 years of history please respect our ancient culture.
- Being focused on dates and who is first/older is entirely missing the point of learning about history.

Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 08:35 on Jan 11, 2017

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Grand Fromage posted:

Your thought is correct. It is everywhere and taught in school and stuff. Anecdotally I have never met a Chinese or Korean person who didn't believe wholeheartedly in TCM. It also exists in other Asian countries but I don't have enough experience in any others to say.

This reminds me of a culture shock moment I had watching Running Man a few years ago. For those who don't know, it's a Korean variety show which takes places in a different location each week.

This one week, it took place in a brand new multi-storey Korean medical centre/out patient hospital. It was all state of the art stuff - modern x-rays, ultrasounds and even cat scan and PET machines. All the way up to surgical theatres and several independent medical groups renting space there. As good as anything you'd expect to see anywhere in the world.

The centre hadn't officially opened yet, so one of the members of the cast decided to be the very first person to get their health checked there. So he walked into one of the diagnosis room, met with a doctor and had the lines on his palm read :ughh:

raton
Jul 28, 2003

by FactsAreUseless
An anesthesiologist is seen as a Real Doctor's bitchboy in Korea, therefore no one wants to be one, therefore they are chronically short of them and the ones they do have often make double what the surgeon makes. Because you want to be a Strong Man Doctor, not someone who assists.

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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


There was a great doc where I lived in Korea, he went to med school in the US and spoke perfectly native fluent English so he was popular among the expats. He'd tell us about the differences and how he had to give Korean patients a bunch of placebos. For example, if you go to the doctor in Korea there's a 90% chance you're going to get a shot in the rear end. The shot is just some vitamins and saline there's no actual medicine in it, but Koreans expect a shot so they have to give one.

If you ask any Korean child to draw a doctor they draw someone jamming a giant hypodermic needle into someone's rear end.

Other fun thing is to ask a Korean child to do an impression of their dad. Cue room of ten year olds doing their best stumble around drunk and vomiting impression.

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