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In NC, we have a "short form" that confers all the important bits on the first however many people, and then a "long form" that we confer on the last candidate that the others then get to watch. It's not a perfect system, but it's the only way to raise multiple new brothers and not have to stay at the lodge til 1am or later.
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Paramemetic posted:Every time I've seen a third done more than one person at a time, they do the second half individually for each one, just the obligation and lecture are done as a group. Doing the second half of the third as a group without the proper initiatic experience rather defeats the point in my opinion. I have NO idea how they'd do MM with multiples. My lodge always does one at a time for all ritual sections, but we bring all the guys together for the lecture and charge. I agree with you, and spoke strongly against multiples for ritual sections in my lodge.
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Emron posted:I have NO idea how they'd do MM with multiples. My lodge always does one at a time for all ritual sections, but we bring all the guys together for the lecture and charge. I agree with you, and spoke strongly against multiples for ritual sections in my lodge. I think it depends on how your jurisdiction handles it, also. In Ohio you do the obligation and so on then leave and come back and do the second half. So if there are multiples you just bring them back individually one at a time. There may be an abridged version that kind of rushes the stations, I'm not sure, I've only seen that in Kentucky. Regardless, I'd rather pace multiple people over multiple days than rush through a bunch. From the esoteric/psychological perspective rather than just the "yer joinin' a club!" perspective, the actual motions of the ritual are important and symbolically significant and the actual experience of it first hand is part of the experience. I would further hold, at the risk of unorthodoxy, that it is the experience of the initiation ritual, in conjunction with the obligation and oath, that makes a man a Mason, not the edict of the Lodge (in the technical sense, of course whether a man is a Mason or not is more complicated in the philosophical sense). There are certain psychological and emotional experiences that go along with initiations not just in Masonry but in all mystery traditions (and Masonry is, at its core, a mystery tradition). I suspect it would border on violating my obligation to discuss in much more detail, but as an exercise for the reader you can imagine that the fundamental elements of liminality, transition and transformation are all present. The ritual itself creates a state of liminality, and without the symbolic liminal state and the resolution of it the experience is not the same. If we are bound together as brothers based on having a shared set of experiences, based on having done it the same way since time immemorial, then I would hold that it is that experience that binds us, and not merely the recitation of oaths. For that reason, I think that anything other than the proper conveyance of the ritual with the initiate actively engaged is at best depriving of the "real experience," and at worst should not be considered legitimate. It's also, incidentally, among the reasons why I haven't pursued the Scottish Rite - watching a play does not a ritual make. That said I'm still considering otherwise, but I'm not active enough right now to really think about it so much. I'll also add that I've had the opportunity to see a third degree in the style of UGLE and it is completely different in huge ways from the US, and I find that fascinating and peculiar. Similarly I've seen an Irish first degree which I believe is done in the style of UGLE and it also was very very different. So I don't know that there is some kind of universal unity based on the exact ritual, but I will say that both of those degrees I've had the privilege to attend were comprised of the same ritual elements that make it effectual on the initiate's psyche, whereas the "one day class" "watch a movie" method does not.
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I'm finally at a point where I think I'm ready to take the plunge. I'm thinking of starting to go and visit some neighboring lodges, and I wanted to get some advice from the thread. http://www.vtfreemasons.org/lodges/barre.asp - This is the lodge that would be the most convenient to me. It looks like it has a number of appendant bodies sharing the physical lodge, and I was curious what they were. I know the Blue lodge is Granite #35, and the Scottish Rite is pretty obvious. I know the KT. But the R.A.M. and the R&SM are ones that I'm drawing a blank on. EDIT: Oh, these appear to be the York Rite. Never mind! And it's the secretary I contact to see about coming for a visit, right? Weltlich fucked around with this message at 04:05 on Dec 15, 2016 |
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Weltlich posted:I'm finally at a point where I think I'm ready to take the plunge. I'm thinking of starting to go and visit some neighboring lodges, and I wanted to get some advice from the thread. You figured the rest out - but yes, contact the secretary.
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A lodge I was visiting had multiple candidates for a third. They put them through separately with one being outside whilst the other was inside, once the obligation had been taken. It was a very long night indeed.
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Innerguard posted:A lodge I was visiting had multiple candidates for a third. They put them through separately with one being outside whilst the other was inside, once the obligation had been taken. It was a very long night indeed. When I got raised we did three guys in one Saturday, all separate. Went from 9:00 to 3:00.
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Brethren, what do you think of masonic rings? This year, my friends and family asked me what I wanted for Christmas, and I thought of a nice masonic ring. In the end, I decided on asking them to give to charity instead given the year the world's seen (much as I'd like a ring, it seems to me that in a year like this, we should pay special heed to why we entered without m.s. and the principle of r. and remember that all men are our brothers, not just those of the lodge. Between civil strife, climate change, refugee crises, and the erosion of various liberties and rights our honoured masonic forebears fought hard to see implemented, there's not exactly a shortage of worthy causes unfortunately.), but one may still be in my future and I thought it might make an interesting thing to talk over. Tacky as a rule? No problem? 'Do what thou wilt, but please, for the love of god, just don't wear a chunky gold 'nugget' pinky ring with a giant diamond SnC on it'?
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I have a piece of Tungsten with a MM symbol on it. Nothing fancy, cost 20 bucks, identifies me as a Mason. I wear it when I travel abroad, through security, etc. as well as when I attend suit and tie type functions but not usually anymore (I did when I was new), and sometimes in my hometown which I happily can now recognize as regular, though not all the time. And obviously when I go to Lodge. It has led to brothers identifying me and vice versa a few times and to at least one hilarious conversation with a patient in a psych hospital who was not at all surprised to find I was part of the Illuminati - I think he was less surprised than I was about that revelation. I don't think it's tacky unless it's the kind of like 96 karat blue and gold gigantic obtrusive ring visible from low orbit of the stereotypes. Something like this ring isn't nearly as obnoxious as some, I wouldn't consider it tacky. (price is a bit high, this can be found cheaper elsewhere) In fact all of the ones on that page are okay. There are some out there that are just covered in Masonic symbols that aren't even coherent because almost all tungsten products come from China and they aren't usually brethren. But yeah, you've earned it, you certainly can wear it.
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Loomer posted:Brethren, what do you think of masonic rings? This year, my friends and family asked me what I wanted for Christmas, and I thought of a nice masonic ring. In the end, I decided on asking them to give to charity instead given the year the world's seen (much as I'd like a ring, it seems to me that in a year like this, we should pay special heed to why we entered without m.s. and the principle of r. and remember that all men are our brothers, not just those of the lodge. Between civil strife, climate change, refugee crises, and the erosion of various liberties and rights our honoured masonic forebears fought hard to see implemented, there's not exactly a shortage of worthy causes unfortunately.), but one may still be in my future and I thought it might make an interesting thing to talk over. I wear one. It's actually the only Masonic thing I wear. I rarely wear pins and if I do, they're subtle. This is the ring I wear: Signet Ring in silver with Eye of Providence. It's less flashy and ridiculous compared to most gold and blue monstrosities I see. These are also hand made and the guy that runs the business is a Brother. A lot of the steel/tungsten rings are really subtle and clean but it's important to remember that if you break your finger, you may lose it as a hospital is not always equipped to cut off those industrial metals.
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Dick Nipples posted:A lot of the steel/tungsten rings are really subtle and clean but it's important to remember that if you break your finger, you may lose it as a hospital is not always equipped to cut off those industrial metals. A hospital is always equipped for this kind of thing, it doesn't take specialist equipment. The concern is more the risk of entanglement in machinery. EMTs are also generally unequipped to handle this alone, but rescue apparatus usually can. The important thing to remember when removing tungsten is that you have to crush it, not cut it. You cannot cut it, but applying pressure to it will cause it to shatter. It can be accomplished with a vice grip. This depends on people recognizing that the ring is tungsten but we tend to be pretty good about recognizing that now. In any case with the exception of an entanglement there is rarely a scenario where we have to urgently extricate a finger so quickly that we can't take time to do it right versus amputation, which is never done in the field.
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We're talking about tungsten carbide and not lightbulb metal right? A pair of vise-grips will clear the former right up.
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Paramemetic posted:A hospital is always equipped for this kind of thing, it doesn't take specialist equipment. The concern is more the risk of entanglement in machinery. EMTs are also generally unequipped to handle this alone, but rescue apparatus usually can. The important thing to remember when removing tungsten is that you have to crush it, not cut it. You cannot cut it, but applying pressure to it will cause it to shatter. It can be accomplished with a vice grip. Nice. I had thought of the finger was badly broken that the tooling around breaking the tungsten rings presented more risk. Good to know otherwise. Is this true for steel rings?
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I have my 2nd degree tomorrow night!
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Dirigibleful posted:I have my 2nd degree tomorrow night! Congratulations. The second degree probably has my favorite lessons. A lot to absorb but also a lot to appreciate when you study.
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Dirigibleful posted:I have my 2nd degree tomorrow night! ... are you me? Also doing 2nd degree
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Dick Nipples posted:Congratulations. Thank you, a brother did an excellent presentation of the working tools. The whole ceremony was great!
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I just got sent This in a secret santa. It's very old and I'm scared to touch it much. It has a date stamp of 1868.
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Loomer posted:Then you're probably fine. This is posting from the past but there's a guy living locally to me (Australia) who drivings his big gently caress-off SUV decked out with a Freemason bumper-sticker and Masonic square and compass. He's also an extremely poo poo/agressive driver so that's pretty lmao
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Recoome posted:This is posting from the past but there's a guy living locally to me (Australia) who drivings his big gently caress-off SUV decked out with a Freemason bumper-sticker and Masonic square and compass. He's also an extremely poo poo/agressive driver so that's pretty lmao id rather have that than the typical mason driver: 70+ year old in a caddy driving 45 on the interstate
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I guess normally you wouldn't know if they were a mason? I mean it's the first wagon I've seem pimped out with the S&C
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Old Dirty Cumburgs posted:Is that a thing? I haven't had any particularly memorable experiences involving mason drivers. 
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Any brothers on Long Island? I'm getting my 2nd on the 25th.
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Cimber posted:Any brothers on Long Island? I'm getting my 2nd on the 25th. Bit far for me, unfortunately, but congratulations, brother! Similarly, if anyone is around the Eastern Shore of Maryland/Delmarva area, I'm being installed as Senior Steward on the 21st. Open installation, so open offer.
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Delivered my catechism tonight for 2nd degree examination in front of the NC Grand Master who was there as a surprise visit. The WM said it was apparently "beautiful" and one of the best he's ever heard and the GM personally complimented both me and my coach on the performance so that was pretty dope. Now I have a Grand Lodge of NC pen???
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Oil of Paris posted:Delivered my catechism tonight for 2nd degree examination in front of the NC Grand Master who was there as a surprise visit. The WM said it was apparently "beautiful" and one of the best he's ever heard and the GM personally complimented both me and my coach on the performance so that was pretty dope. Now I have a Grand Lodge of NC pen??? Where is your lodge, brother? MWB Cobb is a fantastic guy, and a great speaker.
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Oil of Paris posted:Eagle #19 Hillsborough Oh, very cool, that's only about 30 minutes from me. Let me know when your raising is, I'd love to come watch 
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Finally got back into the lodge tonight... wow, it's been almost 8 months! This was the same night, a year ago, that I first visited the lodge, so I'm glad I got to get back for that.
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Oil of Paris posted:Delivered my catechism tonight for 2nd degree examination in front of the NC Grand Master who was there as a surprise visit. The WM said it was apparently "beautiful" and one of the best he's ever heard and the GM personally complimented both me and my coach on the performance so that was pretty dope. Now I have a Grand Lodge of NC pen??? Is the catechism the questions at the beginning? UGLE here so dunno how different the ritual is.
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COOL CORN posted:Oh, very cool, that's only about 30 minutes from me. Let me know when your raising is, I'd love to come watch You're not in Knightdale are you? I ran into a goon years ago (like, 2006?) who had a mason license plate out there. Anyways I'm being raised on the 17th down at #277 Green Level. Petey Pablo seems especially appropriate this month!
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Dirigibleful posted:Is the catechism the questions at the beginning? UGLE here so dunno how different the ritual is. It's just a recitation of the ritual in a call and response format Sheep posted:You're not in Knightdale are you? I ran into a goon years ago (like, 2006?) who had a mason license plate out there. NC is thick with goons. Grats on your raising Oil of Paris fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Sheep posted:You're not in Knightdale are you? I ran into a goon years ago (like, 2006?) who had a mason license plate out there. Nope, I'm in Greensboro. I may swing over to Cary for your raising too! Short notice but we'll see.
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Oil of Paris posted:Delivered my catechism tonight for 2nd degree examination in front of the NC Grand Master who was there as a surprise visit. The WM said it was apparently "beautiful" and one of the best he's ever heard and the GM personally complimented both me and my coach on the performance so that was pretty dope. Now I have a Grand Lodge of NC pen??? You did a remarkable job ! I was lucky enough to be there for it. I'm DDGM of the 19th District, Eagle is one of my favorite lodges. I'm looking forward to seeing your 3rd. The letter G has a third allusion, Goon. Cholmondeley fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Jan 15, 2017 |
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Figures SA would just be a front for the illuminati.
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Cholmondeley posted:You did a remarkable job ! I was lucky enough to be there for it. I'm DDGM of the 19th District, Eagle is one of my favorite lodges. I'm looking forward to seeing your 3rd. NC is THICK with goons. But seriously thanks so much!
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