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The Lord of Hats posted:Mind elaborating, or is this just "lolsmogon"? While usage tiers are probably the most sensible way to do it the SM metagame is still really really early and the SM + everything else metagame is absurdly early and it would be worthwhile to hold back on both fronts. Also some of their bans have been really dumb and Ultima66 makes an excellent point WRT their tier-building method. E: Ultima66 posted:Honestly it's probably a good time to change the criterion for usage tiers on Smogon. Like, right now the way tiers are calculated is based on a cutoff of "50% chance to see a Pokemon on a team in games against X random opponents" or whatever. The thing is, suppose there's 10 Pokemon that are all equally good and in 10 random games you have a 80% chance to see a particular one of them. And then they add 4 more to the pool. Repeat 5 times. If every one of those Pokemon were all equally good, all of a sudden the chance to see any particular one of those Pokemon in 10 random games plummets. Basically, the cutoff is unsustainable as more Pokemon at similar power levels are added. Take this with a grain of salt though, I really dislike competitive singles and play almost exclusively on-cartridge because I hate the reliance Smogon and singles in general has on entry hazards.
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I mean if it turns out the missing Mega Stones will be available in the bank update, that will throw a wrench into everything.Ogmius815 posted:Looks like all those cuckolds in the old UU tier just got cucked by the big cuckold cuck monster. Cuckold. I wasn't the one who made this image.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The Bulbapedia page goes really deep, and the Glitch City Laboratories page isn't much better, but what it boils down to is that: Sounds like it would be easier to just restart the whole game then. 
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Dr. Fetus posted:I wasn't the one who made this image. scream into the void at the 4chan created image
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Dr. Fetus posted:I mean if it turns out the missing Mega Stones will be available in the bank update, that will throw a wrench into everything. you're still the one who shared it you dumb poo poo
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What's a good build for Decidueye? I like how he can kind of be a mixed attacker, but I'm looking at Spirit Shackle + U-Turn as a pretty sweet combo which would make me want to maximize speed + HP.
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AlternateNu posted:What's a good build for Decidueye? The best builds I've seen are mostly Defog support or Spirit Shackle/Toxic/Roost stall, and that gets messed up by basically every other stall mon.
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The best build is Spirit Shackle/Roost/Swords Dance/Baton Pass and it make people very angry at you.
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Ultima66 posted:The best build is Spirit Shackle/Roost/Swords Dance/Baton Pass and it make people very angry at you. this
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you know who's underused? scizor. maybe they should just have a metagame where tapus are banned forever.
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I have no idea how any of the official tournaments decide this stuff, but it seems like it would be trivially easy to just declare a blanket 'No Legendarys/UBs' policy. You can't really fix the issue of everyone gravitating towards the strongest stuff, because that's always going to be the case when you hold competitions in a game as fundamentally unbalanced as Pokemon. However, if you limit it to stuff that's actually breedable then you don't force people to refight the Tapus a million times to get the right Nature/IVs.
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not all legendaries are good who's crying out for articuno's ban
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I really like the defend your title gimmick, it's a great change of pace from the last games I played where it was 'what, you're Champion, yeah, go catch Mewtwo or fight Red or something'. Thinking about going to pick up a used copy of SoulSilver, just to have some nostalgia, but a bit concerned old school Pokemon won't live up to Sun or Moon, it's so good. GenericOverusedName posted:Only recently started playing Sun but I have to say that I have a new best friend forever. His name is Golisopod and he is strong and smart and great Guzma account spotted.
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Golisopod is a beautiful bug samurai friend
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A patch for Sun and Moon came out, and there's no bank update yet. It's just bug fixes. It fixes the glitches with Z-Parting Shot and Z-Memento. Also fixes an edge case where Rocky Helmet causes wins when it shouldn't. But it finally fixes the bug where a Pokemon wouldn't learn Confusion upon evolving, so Kadabra no longer has to wait 5 more levels to be able to attack.Rangpur posted:I have no idea how any of the official tournaments decide this stuff, but it seems like it would be trivially easy to just declare a blanket 'No Legendarys/UBs' policy. You can't really fix the issue of everyone gravitating towards the strongest stuff, because that's always going to be the case when you hold competitions in a game as fundamentally unbalanced as Pokemon. However, if you limit it to stuff that's actually breedable then you don't force people to refight the Tapus a million times to get the right Nature/IVs. The rules are decided at the beginning of the season and that's it. There usually aren't too many rule changes with the format itself, though once bank comes up, certain egg moves and Kanto forms will be legal. (Expect to see lots of Kanto Dugtrio.)
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Manatee Cannon posted:not all legendaries are good who's crying out to use articuno ban all legendaries, if not, at least the genies.
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I guess the lovely legendaries will have to be collateral damage. Conicidentally, 'Collateral Damage' is what I named the Lickylicky I taught Explosion back in Gen IV. Still looking for dogs to trade (basically just Lillpup and Snubble until the bank opens at this point though) for my Jolly Growlithes w. Morning Sun/Close Combat. Give a holler in the thread or PMs if you want one.
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Tired Moritz posted:who's crying out to use articuno The genies aren't actually the scariest thing and can just get murdered by a lot of poo poo especially since gen 6.
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Dr. Fetus posted:A patch for Sun and Moon came out, and there's no bank update yet. It's just bug fixes. It fixes the glitches with Z-Parting Shot and Z-Memento. Also fixes an edge case where Rocky Helmet causes wins when it shouldn't. But it finally fixes the bug where a Pokemon wouldn't learn Confusion upon evolving, so Kadabra no longer has to wait 5 more levels to be able to attack. Added to this, the Shell Smash Kommo-O in the Battle Tree was edited to not have said move anymore. Also a Hawlucha was replaced by Mega Pidgeot. Why? ... I guess someone on Game Freak's staff prefers not-penguin over a wrestling hawk.
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I managed to beat battle tree singles and get really far in super singles. The team was Tapu Koko Celesteela Mimikyu But the first 2 covered almost everything, they cover each other's weaknesses really well. THE AWESOME GHOST fucked around with this message at 05:06 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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I think if they unbanned double team, things would balance themselves out,
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Marowak's time has come. All hail the new guard
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giovani looks kinda like a vampire in that 4th panel with guzma
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Rangpur posted:I have no idea how any of the official tournaments decide this stuff, but it seems like it would be trivially easy to just declare a blanket 'No Legendarys/UBs' policy. "Let's ban a third of the new characters from our new video game from our video game competition" does not make a whole lot of marketing sense.
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they're not characters, they're trophies.
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Manatee Cannon posted:not all legendaries are good Game Freak aren't ever going to impose a battle format that allows (say) Articuno but not Zapdos, or that allows the legendary birds but not the musketeers*, because to acknowledge that pokemon that are thematically equals are actually different in usability is not in line with the way they want to present battling. * aside from region-based formats. What I'm saying is they might make that rule for other reasons, but they won't make a distinction like that based on strength/usability.
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Hey thread, if you still care about legends on XY/ORAS, I've got two Genesect codes I'm doing gently caress and all with. PM me or ask in thread, first come first served. ETA: US. ETA2: Both gone! Nethilia fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:I managed to beat battle tree singles and get really far in super singles. The team was Just to expand on this since a lot of people were having Battle Tree trouble and the first 2 are guaranteed catches and you don't need to mess with breeding or BP items. For EV Training I used Poke Pelago, just dump the guys there for a couple of days, not time consuming at all unless you want it now. Tapu Koko @ Electrium Z Nature: +Spd - Sp Atk Max Atk/Speed EVs -Wild Charge -Brave Bird -Taunt -U-Turn Always lead with him. Z-Wild Charge is running off his higher Attack stat, personally I only used physical because I got one with -Sp Atk. I think his special set is PROBABLY better otherwise, this guy frequently kills himself with recoil. Z-Wild Charge is really useful because it's both very strong and made sure he wouldn't kill himself with recoil  Taunt is't that useful against the AI honestly you just wanna kill them quick Celesteela @ Leftovers (You can get them from wild Munchlax 100% rate don't buy one) + Special Defense - Speed Max HP/ Sp. Def EVs -Leech Seed -Protect -Heavy Slam -Fire Blast Tapu Koko is weak to earth and poison. Celesteela is immune to earth and poison. Koko is fast enough that with U-Turn you can usually hit an enemy and switch to Celesteela. Personally I went for Sp. Def but I'm sure you can go either way. Heavy Slam does good damage even with no attack boost, 99% of the time you can leech seed and protect an enemy to death but it's pretty boring. Helps a LOT on those guys that were usually run enders for me though. Many of my battle tree wins were because of the way these 2 pokemon played off one another to deal with very different threats Mimikyu @ Fairium Z poo poo nature + Evs, was using him in the story Play Rough Shadow Claw Leech Life Swords Dance Really useful when I had to use him. The one free hit before you take damage meant you either Swords Dance for free, or finish up something like a Dragon Danced pokemon that was about to otherwise wipe your team. Z-Play Rough was useful both for when you couldn't rely on that 90% accuracy or if you had to kill something right now with that one free hit you get. Safety wise I stuck to the first 2 most of the time Right now I'm at a 20 win streak in Super Singles with this team. EV Training is easy, you literally just leave the game in sleep mode, and I only did it for the first 2. I'm using the Z stones you get for free and leftovers I got off a wild munchlax.
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Nethilia posted:Hey thread, if you still care about legends on XY/ORAS, I've got two Genesect codes I'm doing gently caress and all with. PM me or ask in thread, first come first served. You should probably specify your region, as codes are region locked. I'd be interested but I'm assuming they're not Japanese.
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ITS YA BOY GOLISOPOD
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Everybody knows that bug type is the best type yo
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Tired Moritz posted:is klefki still good Not as good with the prankster nerf.
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So a patch came out, but I can't figure out how to make my 3ds actually get it. What do I do to make this happen?
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Exit your game, and then you'll be prompted to update when you start it up again.
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tyblazitar posted:You should probably specify your region, as codes are region locked. I'd be interested but I'm assuming they're not Japanese. US.
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I dunno why that didn't work last night but it works now so hooray?
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