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Pyrolocutus posted:I'm sure there are multiple people approaching that in Wyrd's The Other Side kickstarter, particularly if they backed Tyrant (4 armies) and have gotten multiple addons. (Not that I would know anything about that Yeah, but that's a Thread Approved game, not one on the black list. 
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Nuns with Guns posted:The base game was like $250 or $300 and the most extreme titties and dickbeasts (with special exclusive game cards!) were locked behind premium bonuses. So the game was already set to cater only to the most indulgent of tit/poop-eating lovers What locked premium bonuses? Pretty much everything was available as an à la carte addon 
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Doodmons posted:Who the gently caress spends $1000 on unpainted plastic barbies? Anybody starting a GW army 
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HazCat posted:What locked premium bonuses? Pretty much everything was available as an à la carte addon "locked" as in you had to buy the addons, yeah. that's what I get for walking and typing on my phone at the same time. Sorry for the confusion! Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 05:15 on Jan 10, 2017 |
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Agrias120 posted:Yeah, but that's a Thread Approved game, not one on the black list. It's true it's a game with a non-stereotyped African faction and also body horror that doesn't involve tits and dicks everywhere. It's also diceless and has pretty solid good game design that isn't rooted in the 80s. That said, more and more it seems like skirmish games and smaller stuff are the only things my friends are interested in so I've slowly drifted from getting a Commander pledge to maybe just add ons and now I'm thinking I may just wind up waiting for retail to grab a few things that look like fun to paint.
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Cinnamon Bear posted:That said, more and more it seems like skirmish games and smaller stuff are the only things my friends are interested in so I've slowly drifted from getting a Commander pledge to maybe just add ons and now I'm thinking I may just wind up waiting for retail to grab a few things that look like fun to paint. This, sadly, is why I haven't pledged at all.
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I'm glad to see the Kingdom Death backers are popping out of the woodworks to say they consider naked titty minis to be identical to space marines or magic steam-powered robots.
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Okay now that people are showing up to say "Me, I paid $1000 for unpainted pieces of plastic" allow me to repeat my question at higher volume with greater incredulity: "Who the gently caress spends $1000 on unpainted plastic barbies?" Like, if you're doing it for the love of painting grey plastic that's the kind of price point where you might as well buy a 3D printer so you can fabricate and paint literally whatever you like. If you're doing it because you want to play a game then maybe find a game that doesn't lost literally a thousand dollars what the hell are you doing
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Doodmons posted:Okay now that people are showing up to say "Me, I paid $1000 for unpainted pieces of plastic" allow me to repeat my question at higher volume with greater incredulity: "Who the gently caress spends $1000 on unpainted plastic barbies?" I've spent more than that on unpainted plastic barbies, but they're from and for 20 different games. It's not in any way different from people spending hundreds of dollars, if not more, on RPG books and supplements.
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Yeah. It's a bit the pot calling the kettle black here. We have an expensive hobby, whether we get minis or not. Let's not shame people for the degree of their spending.
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Well if Kingdom Death turns out to be as Gross as people make it out to be lol I'll sell it for like 200% markup because nerds will pay for it
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Phi230 posted:Well if Kingdom Death turns out to be as Gross as people make it out to be lol I'll sell it for like 200% markup because nerds will pay for it If you don't buy the pinup minis then you'll laugh the first time you hit the lion's dick off and die a lot based on uncontrollable/unmodifiable chance, but if you manage to get to the end then congrats you still die But at least you can entertain yourself with the weird porny art in the rulebook! 
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There's a big difference between slowly accumulating a thousand dollars worth of models/books/whatever over a period of many months or years and dropping 1 large on a single game in one go. Like, my Steam account is worth a couple of thousand dollars at this point but notably it's taken me 13 years of hardcore gaming to do that. I'll stop banging on about this in a minute but I keep trying to get into the mindset of someone who's cool with spending a thousand dollars in one sitting on a pile of grey plastic and then freaking out a bit at the sheer insanity of it all.
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Some people have more disposable income than others. It's not a hard concept.
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Doodmons posted:There's a big difference between slowly accumulating a thousand dollars worth of models/books/whatever over a period of many months or years and dropping 1 large on a single game in one go. Like, my Steam account is worth a couple of thousand dollars at this point but notably it's taken me 13 years of hardcore gaming to do that. If you really want to blow your mind, now think about a person who spends a thousand dollars in one sitting on a pile of grey plastic, and then turns around and immediately shells out another two thousand dollars to get someone else to professionally paint it all 
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senrath posted:Some people have more disposable income to spend on weird titty games than others. It's not a hard concept.
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senrath posted:Some people have more disposable income than others. It's not a hard concept. 
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CottonWolf posted:Yeah. It's a bit the pot calling the kettle black here. We have an expensive hobby, whether we get minis or not. Let's not shame people for the degree of their spending. What??? If you play board games every week, you will need to buy a new game every few months maybe. So if you pay an average of $40 (sometimes the new game will be like a $15 card game, other times an $80 premium thing, but $40 seems a reasonable average), then you are spending about $160/year. That's equivalent to seeing a movie once a month or buying a few video games a year (or a whack of little indie games). I pay that much to play ball hockey or frisbee once a week for 4 months. Dance lessons are similar or more expensive than ball hockey. How is board gaming in any way an expensive hobby? And that $160 assumes that only a couple of you bring new games. If everyone chipped in, you could easily play weekly with new games when things start to get stale for under $100/year each On top of that, it's easy to get people to buy you board games for Christmas and Birthdays. I've been growing my collection at a reasonable pace and have paid like $80 for my own games in the last year or so. RPGs are even cheaper, but I'm sticking to just board games here. Now if you were just talking about minis, I'd agree - minis is an expensive hobby - but you specified minis or not.
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Fair. It's definitely worse with minis. But I was thinking more over long periods of time. Basically, senrath posted:Some people have more disposable income than others. It's not a hard concept. I wouldn't want KD, but if people can throw around $1000 on KD and it's no big deal to them, good for them. If I had that much disposable income, I would not feel in any way guilty on throwing it down on something I was vaguely interested in.
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But wouldn't you get more for your buck if you got a good minis game and a computer setup that can play all the HD porn you want? If you're on KS for Kingdom Death you probably already have the latter.
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senrath posted:Some people have more despicable income than others. It's not a hard concept.
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Doodmons posted:Okay now that people are showing up to say "Me, I paid $1000 for unpainted pieces of plastic" allow me to repeat my question at higher volume with greater incredulity: "Who the gently caress spends $1000 on unpainted plastic barbies?"
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So long as we're talking about extravagant goon spending, whatever happened to the Tutankhamun Table? That seemed like the end all be all of goons with too much money.
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Jimbozig posted:What???
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Jimbozig posted:What??? New board games come out every week pretty much, and the people who are into board games tend to buy a lot of loving board games. It's not about whether or not you need any of this poo poo, it's a luxury item, people go out of their way to spend money on it. And people shell out tons of cash on multiple RPGS all at the same time, including poo poo they never actually get the chance to play.
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Why do you guys keep equating buying one game for a thousand dollars to buying 12-20 games that together cost a grand?
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After discussions of Reaper Bones purchases, and the popularity of titty minis in general, I figured most of those high rollers were planning to part stuff out and sell it at a profit.
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Why do you guys keep equating buying one game for a thousand dollars to buying 12-20 games that together cost a grand?
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Terrible Opinions posted:For 40k you need to spend more than 1000 to have a single competitive army at list price. Burn GW to the ground. In other news I got a download link to the Bulldogs! book Spacenoir, but it's not working right now 
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Terrible Opinions posted:For 40k you need to spend more than 1000 to have a single competitive army at list price. If people kept it at minis I wouldn't care, but people are specifically talking about board games here.
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Yeah gently caress if I know why you'd compare it to normal board games but miniatures games for obsessives is its core market. Passion project board games with good but static minis like say Cthulhu Wars or the big Deluxe Ogre set are much much cheaper, but then this isn't a passion project so much as an attempt to become very rich off nerds.
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Man that rulebook makes me hard as gently caress
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Doodmons posted:Okay now that people are showing up to say "Me, I paid $1000 for unpainted pieces of plastic" allow me to repeat my question at higher volume with greater incredulity: "Who the gently caress spends $1000 on unpainted plastic barbies?" Dude, a grand really isn't a huge amount of money to put into a hobby. Hell, the computer you're posting from likely cost more than that, and I'd bet 90% of goons' Steam accounts are worth more.
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Paying $1000 to get fetish miniatures a couple years down the line is certainly beyond "I'm going to buy a new computer". Or "the last 13 years of video game purchases combined". But there's a Kingdom Death thread that was set up because this always happens when it comes up here.
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Consumer grade 3D printers are not as close good as injection moulded plastic. Plus if you're buying a competitively priced product (Perry historicals for example) you'll never recoup the fixed overheads - and that is at a lower level of quality. The only time when 3D printing might be cost effective is if you're making knockoffs of a premium pricepoint product and even then there will be a quality loss . If you are unconcerned about copyright the Chinese will generally sell you something with a small quality loss for cheaper
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Or in the case of many GW resin products, a product of superior quality for a lot cheaper.
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A single pair of tickets to a playoff NFL football game is north of a thousand bucks. It's not about the actual amount of money. It's about the relative expense, compared to similar (or better) options. How much gameplay/enjoyment/quality of components/etc. are you getting for a thousand dollar drop on Kingdom Death, compared to other good board games with good minis you could buy instead? I've probably put a couple thousand dollars into my combined purchases of board games and miniatures since 2010. I have a hell of a lot to show for it in terms of raw materials, but I likely would have had more net enjoyment hours out of a $2000 spend on, say, used paperback books. So what? This was spending money, I can afford it, I'm not robbing my retirement fund or something, and I can still buy all the used paperback books I'd want. I've got upwards of a lifetime of miniatures to paint (or just enjoy owning), and if I wanted to I could sell it all for probably around 50 cents on the dollar. That's a better deal than most people are getting from their cable TV package, or season tickets to a major sports team, or the extra money they paid to get a brand new car instead of a used one that gives exactly the same utility. But that's irrelevant. The spend amount only matters in comparison to the opportunity cost: what did I have to give up, in order to get this? I actually think Kingdom Death is gross, and I can't imagine what it would be like to have anyone I know, including family members, know I bought it. Ugh. And I hate that that's the kind of product that pulls in record amounts of kickstarter pledges, because that's not going to encourage game makers to kickstart better games instead. But as long as the people buying this thing aren't literally starving their families to do it? gently caress it, the absolute cost doesn't matter much. It's just sad that they're spending that much when a much smaller amount of money could get them several much better games. Maybe they're getting those other better games too? In that case, their expenditure amount doesn't matter at all. So like, spending a couple grand on season tickets? Whatever. But spending it on season tickets for the Cleveland Browns? Oh, man, why. Why would you do that. You poor bastard. But wait, you also bought a season pass to the Cavaliers? Well, whatever, I guess you just liked having your options open and you can afford it. Meh. Leperflesh fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:Consumer grade 3D printers are not as close good as injection moulded plastic. Huh, genuinely didn't know that, all you ever hear about 3D printers is how amazing the end results are. That's entirely fair, in that case. So I'm not a big miniatures gamer but I was just having a conversation with one of my friends today who's just got into Dropfleet Commander. £120 got him more plastic spaceships than he could ever use in one sitting, he gets to paint them and by all accounts the sculpt quality is exceptional and on top of all that apparently the game itself is one of the best he's ever played and one he can see himself playing for years. £120 is quite a lot of money but that sounds like he's getting a really good deal out of it. Is £1000 worth spending on that same deal? Maybe. Like, if you know you're definitely going to be playing this for years and not going to get bored of it then it's probably worth it. Otherwise hell no. I don't have opinions on whether Kingdom Death is a pile of poo poo or not - I'm not a miniatures gamer - but spending that much money on something sight unseen on a Kickstarter? gently caress me. Leperflesh posted:A single pair of tickets to a playoff NFL football game is north of a thousand bucks. It's not about the actual amount of money. Maybe I'm just a loving miser but that seems flat-out bugnuts insane. I get salty when I buy video games if I'm going to get less than £1 an hour's worth of entertainment out of them.
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Someone did the maths, and the $1666 pledge works out to around 960 hours of gameplay assuming you win every game you start. So realistically, assuming the people dropping the money enjoy the game enough to play it in its entirety, they're paying $1.70/hour of gameplay? Unless I'm misremembering and it was 960 lantern years, in which case they're paying more like $.57/hour of gameplay. Again, assuming the player wins every game and never has to restart a game. Edit: just double checked, and the estimate is 970 hours, assuming you take 2 years per lantern year. This also ignores that expansions can be added to campaigns in multiple combinations, and assumes players only see each expansion once. There's also all the modelling time, for people who count that as a plus instead of a chore. On the other hand, one of the new expansions lets you skip forward to mid/late campaign, and I'm not sure how these numbers took that into account. HazCat fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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