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The lead up to titan is better than everything Sylph related and also better than the lead up to garuda.
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ImpAtom posted:The leadup would have been okay if it was like 1/3rd as long and actually funny instead of "GO HERE. K, GO HERE." I almost ragequit the game at this point. Which would have been a drat shame, because titan is so good.
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Jan 11, 2017 06:12
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Failboattootoot posted:The lead up to titan is better than everything Sylph related and also better than the lead up to garuda. The leadup to Garuda legit made me stop playing for a week
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Jan 11, 2017 06:12
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So I am coming back to the game and bringing 2 friends. One semi-experienced, one completely new. We decided to all roll new characters together. Unfortunately as I am a cheap rear end I won't be able to do this on the goon server as that's where my main is. So I was considering Balmung or Gilgamesh. Well these are more of a hot mess to get into than Excalibur. Then I considered Leviathan which is similar to Excalibur in population. Also hot garbage to get into. I guess this is par for the course on populated servers. I'll keep trying. Meanwhile! I decided to start as Lancer as it has cross class abilities used by a ton of classes. I had my eye on Ninja and Dragoon but they both look super complicated and I'm bad at video games. Thoughts on these two? Alternative choices are Bard or maaaaaaaaybe Monk. Just not sure. Ninja and Dragoon look the flashiest and most fun. I hear Monk is easier than all of the above. Just looking for some opinions. My background if it helps: SCH/SMN/BLM at 50, DRK at 52, no end game experience..just hard mode normal stuff like avatars/etc. Haven't played since HW release~
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Jan 11, 2017 06:16
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Vil posted:It's tongue-in-cheek. High level DRGs' GCD rotation basically involves 10 moves: Wow, I didn't look at any DRG guides and I still managed to get it right somehow! ImpAtom posted:I want to find whoever designed the entire leadup to Titan in the main story quest and I want to punch them repeatedly in the balls. I came into the game knowing it would be less than good until Heavensward and I still wanted to stowaway on a boat to Japan just so I could find the dev responsible for that shitshow and do what you said. The Serial Haircutter of Lominsa bit helped me not do that, fortunately.
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Jan 11, 2017 06:25
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I am coincidentally also just getting through the Titan lead-up and yeah lol
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Jan 11, 2017 07:05
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The titan and garuda fetch quest fiesta is literally the worst part of the game. Some people complain about 2.1 and it's pretty bad about making you run around to, but there's at least some vague plot reasons for it and it's not just a blatant timesink.
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Jan 11, 2017 07:20
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Titan and Garuda quests both had plot reasons though.
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Jan 11, 2017 07:39
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real hosed up that 1.0 didn't have roegals this is why Tanaka had to go
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Jan 11, 2017 07:48
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Zaekkor posted:So I am coming back to the game and bringing 2 friends. One semi-experienced, one completely new. We decided to all roll new characters together. Unfortunately as I am a cheap rear end I won't be able to do this on the goon server as that's where my main is. So I was considering Balmung or Gilgamesh. Well these are more of a hot mess to get into than Excalibur. Then I considered Leviathan which is similar to Excalibur in population. Also hot garbage to get into. I guess this is par for the course on populated servers. I'll keep trying. I wouldn't say Dragoon is necessarily harder than Monk, though at 50+ it is more obnoxious to keep Blood of the Dragon up than it is to keep Greased Lightning up. DRG basically has two combos that you use between a buffing attack and a DoT, with lots of one-off attacks and self buffs that you weave in between attacks as they are available. Monk has slightly fewer buffs and off-GCD attacks, and their combos tend to be a lot more fluid depending on the situation and are more dependent on positioning. Monks also attack a good bit faster than dragoons, so the pacing you prefer can factor into it. Ninjas really have one main combo with a couple different closers, and are more reliant on their DoTs to do a big chunk of their damage. Ninjas also attack at roughly Monk speed after level 45, and have slightly less personal damage potential made up for by bringing a lot of party utility. They also get the mudra game for casting their spells, which people tend to either love or hate. Also the suffering of the boss that insists on spinning at the very moment they are trying to use Trick Attack. All three are cool in their own ways really and worth checking out. The core monk playstyle settles in pretty early on with bells and whistles added on as you go, whereas the full dragoon rotation gets adjusted repeatedly all the way up into the 50s and ninja doesn't *really* get the ninja feel down until 45 when you can Huton to boost your attack speed.
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Jan 11, 2017 08:08
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So the 3.5 trailer is out. Looks pretty cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kA9aAdIDG0 Does anyone know the song that plays in the very beginning and the very end? Or is that new?
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Jan 11, 2017 10:15
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Thundarr posted:I wouldn't say Dragoon is necessarily harder than Monk, though at 50+ it is more obnoxious to keep Blood of the Dragon up than it is to keep Greased Lightning up. DRG basically has two combos that you use between a buffing attack and a DoT, with lots of one-off attacks and self buffs that you weave in between attacks as they are available. Monk has slightly fewer buffs and off-GCD attacks, and their combos tend to be a lot more fluid depending on the situation and are more dependent on positioning. Monks also attack a good bit faster than dragoons, so the pacing you prefer can factor into it. There is nothing more heartbreaking than missing Trick Attack because the boss spun around for the third time.
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Jan 11, 2017 12:09
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Fister Roboto posted:Titan and Garuda quests both had plot reasons though. Extremely dumb plot reasons. To the point that Y'shtola calls out the blatant waste of time with an impending primal and they just go, 'well don't like it? I've got nothing better to do'.
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Jan 11, 2017 12:27
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Intoluene posted:There is nothing more heartbreaking than missing Trick Attack because the boss spun around for the third time. Nidhogg always ends up pissing me off because he's got a lot of slight turns in the very last phase when he's all red and glowy. His back is only at the right spot very few times for like 3 seconds each. Plus any time a tank moves out of an AoE and then doesn't move back EXACTLY to where they were standing. It's agony. Zaekkor posted:Meanwhile! I decided to start as Lancer as it has cross class abilities used by a ton of classes. I had my eye on Ninja and Dragoon but they both look super complicated and I'm bad at video games. From my experience leveling SMN to 50 in the past week, it's got more buttons than Ninja. What crunches Ninja is your latency. Bad latency means your mudras will be hard and that'll screw everything up. If you've got a good connection though, NIN is fun to me because it is very flashy and it's more about maintenance than being able to mash all the buttons. You're just making sure Huton/Dancing Edge/Shadow Fang/Mutilate are up at all times. There's more obviously, but not much more if you only want to hit a certain difficulty level. I can't speak to Dragoon since I didn't finish leveling it (LNC is boring as gently caress and so is DRG at 34) and I won't get around to MNK for a while despite finding it pretty neat.
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Jan 11, 2017 12:58
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I leveled Dragoon on a whim and actually quite like it, it's become my main class. A lot of what I enjoy happens to be mechanics related to managing BotD though, DRG 50 must've been boring as heck.
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Jan 11, 2017 13:22
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Trying to do this Enmity of my Enemy FATE for my relic quest is the most annoying thing. If that prick would just stand still I could keep him alive but he just runs head long into swarms of Treants and Ochus. It is also the second part of a fate chain that never seems to spawn.
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Jan 11, 2017 13:44
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Actually, the leadup to Titan is good, lol if you missed the point.
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Jan 11, 2017 13:50
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Eight-Six posted:Actually, the leadup to Titan is good, lol if you missed the point. Trying to lampshade Bad Design by utilizing said Bad Design is still, shockingly, Bad Design.
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Jan 11, 2017 13:51
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Emalde posted:Trying to lampshade Bad Design by utilizing said Bad Design is still, shockingly, Bad Design. Found another one who missed it. If the core argument is that MMOs are inherently Bad Design for a variety of reasons I would probably agree. If that isn't the argument then all that's left is the writing. Writing-wise though it's not even close to the shitshow that is the leadup to Garuda, where it's various follies, fuckups, and bad guesses with your instruments and locations that have you keep moving from place to place. The leadup to Titan is retelling the story of how poo poo went down the last time non-echo people had to fight him and just how much of a pyrrhic victory that was- which you get from the various survivors. And in the end it was at least giving you a farewell banquet because you might not come back alive even though you've got various plot armors in place.
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Jan 11, 2017 14:21
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Titan was a little annoying but I still found Garuda worse. It was one of those times where I just want a big button to press that goes "I'M THE WARRIOR OF LIGHT GODS-DAMNIT" that instantly let's me skip having to prove that I am infact the bloody savior of Eorzea and that if you clowns don't stop wasting my time I'm going to stab you. It feels like there is more than one moment in the game where I think "If I just stab this person right now it would solve so many problems." But you can't because you are a hero, and cold blooded murder isn't heroic.
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Jan 11, 2017 14:35
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Titan leadup did at least give you a hint of some of the mechanics of that fight. Even the Tidus guy. I don't remember the Garuda leadup doing that, but it's been a while.
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Jan 11, 2017 14:40
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ApplesandOranges posted:Extremely dumb plot reasons. To the point that Y'shtola calls out the blatant waste of time with an impending primal and they just go, 'well don't like it? I've got nothing better to do'. Yeah, this is what bugged me the most about the pre-Titan questline. It's like the game writers know that you're doing fetch quests for no discernable reason and they're throwing it in your face. People saying that the leadup to Garuda is worse make me very nervous. 
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Jan 11, 2017 14:52
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You're always doing fetch quests for discernible reason.
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Jan 11, 2017 14:53
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Eight-Six posted:Found another one who missed it. People are generally upset with being blue balled from a huge, iconic fight by a bunch of boring MMO fetch quests, not the fact that the story says "Gee Fighting Primals Is Hard", yes E: Also they probably could have gotten the point across with a lot less boring filler by having Brayflox be the big test instead of some wacky cheese thing Ryanbomber fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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Jan 11, 2017 14:55
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Ryanbomber posted:People are generally upset with being blue balled from a huge, iconic fight by a bunch of boring MMO fetch quests, not the fact that the story says "Gee Fighting Primals Is Hard", yes That's not what anyone is saying though so hey.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:00
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Game would be pretty poo poo if it was just going from one huge iconic fight to the next with no plot to connect it all imo. I just finished replaying 2.0-2.55 MSQ on an alt, and honestly I understand people's complaints about it even less now. The 2.x MSQ has exactly two bad quests, the guildhest one and the qarn one.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:01
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Mymla posted:Game would be pretty poo poo if it was just going from one huge iconic fight to the next with no plot to connect it all imo. It works for Monster Hunter  They could also make quests more interesting instead of choosing between "kill easy open world mobs", "touch thing", or "talk to person"
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Jan 11, 2017 15:06
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Ryanbomber posted:They could also make quests more interesting instead of choosing between "kill easy open world mobs", "touch thing", or "talk to person" You have described the three ways to design a quest in an MMO. If you hate MMO gameplay so much, why play MMOs?
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Jan 11, 2017 15:07
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Mymla posted:You have described the three ways to design a quest in an MMO. If you hate MMO gameplay so much, why play MMOs? There's a lot of poo poo to do in this game other than questing. Trials, raids, crafting, dungeons, occasionally weird mini games like gold saucer or PotD... (Also I'd argue that modern WoW has done a much better job of making quests less dull by having you do Things in the process, the days of mindlessly grinding bear asses have been dead for ages)
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Jan 11, 2017 15:20
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ImpAtom posted:I want to find whoever designed the entire leadup to Titan in the main story quest and I want to punch them repeatedly in the balls. Oh my sweet summer child. Wait for the run up to Garuda.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:22
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At least you can click through or skip most conversations/cut scenes, and can teleport hither and yon. I can't imagine how painful bouncing all over the damned world would be if AAR utilized a WoW-style "flight" transport mechanic.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:29
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To be fair, the alternative to "kill easy open world mobs" is "kill mechanics-related mobs" which is something they do from time to time for MSQ fights, though typically you have enough NPC backup to not outright fail them even after spending a minute running around not knowing what the gently caress. Theoretically you'll design mobs or something like they were boss fights and have those as the quest objectives. XIV already somewhat reuses mechanics from fight to fight so they could sprinkle them out throughout a patch- so the MSQ fights introduce mechanics x, y, and z through single fights- and then the raid poo poo incorporates mechanics maybe x and z, and then 'remember mechanic Q from a while back' and then newer fight-specific things. I don't envy their battle designers. Ryanbomber posted:(Also I'd argue that modern WoW has done a much better job of making quests less dull by having you do Things in the process, the days of mindlessly grinding bear asses have been dead for ages) If you don't mind, I'm curious as to a few examples of these.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:29
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I had honestly forgotten about the solo instances. They're a pretty good example of a good change of pace. I wish they were more common, though Eight-Six posted:If you don't mind, I'm curious as to a few examples of these. -Vehicle mechanics give you a new set of abilities to screw around with for a quest or two. FFXIV has vehicles but I think the only time they're used in a combat situation is Praetoreum. -The last couple expansions added unmarked open world things, like chests and rare mobs, that give rewards if you find them. -The mobs in general tend to be a little more involved than FFXIV's are, especially the rare mobs. XIV saves all the interesting mechanics for dungeons. -Sometimes they just go nuts in a really weird way. The last expansion had about half a zone that involved stealth mechanicing around a city of angry elves, where you had to stay away from guards to keep a disguise up, and you had to either run out of combat or kill everyone if you got caught. It was kind of annoying in practice but it was a weird change of pace and memorable. There was also an entire zone with a long quest line that was 90% underwater. Ryanbomber fucked around with this message at 15:50 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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Jan 11, 2017 15:46
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Mymla posted:Game would be pretty poo poo if it was just going from one huge iconic fight to the next with no plot to connect it all imo. Honestly apart from the one big thing that happens at the end of 2.55 and how they resolve it in 3.0 i didn't mind it so much. But that one thing made me very annoyed. "Well gee I'm sorry for making you take the fall for regicide and killing most of your friends but we just mildly poisoned the Sultana instead of killing her so if we just give you the antidote will that be okay and we can go back to the status quo?"
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Jan 11, 2017 15:46
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Zaekkor posted:Just not sure. Ninja and Dragoon look the flashiest and most fun. I hear Monk is easier than all of the above. Just looking for some opinions. Monk is the flashiest of the 3 melee dps. Ninja is by far the easiest though.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:50
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Mymla posted:Game would be pretty poo poo if it was just going from one huge iconic fight to the next with no plot to connect it all imo. Nah, it owns actually. I didn't give a poo poo about the Garuda lead up because it's played reasonably and correlates more to the act of Going To Kill poo poo than making a banquet did, and they don't nudgenudgewinkwink you about it being a massive waste of time in the end.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:53
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TheNabster posted:Honestly apart from the one big thing that happens at the end of 2.55 and how they resolve it in 3.0 i didn't mind it so much. Yeah, that was a bit of a copout, wasn't it.
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Jan 11, 2017 15:55
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they've basically stopped doing the solo instances because people are so bad at the game they can't beat them with max echo
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Jan 11, 2017 15:56
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SonicRulez posted:Nidhogg always ends up pissing me off because he's got a lot of slight turns in the very last phase when he's all red and glowy. His back is only at the right spot very few times for like 3 seconds each. Plus any time a tank moves out of an AoE and then doesn't move back EXACTLY to where they were standing. It's agony. That sounds more like a problem with your specific Nidhogg tanks then. He shouldn't have any slight wiggles. You may not be able to get off a TA during akh morn depending on who's targeted, and you almost certainly won't be able to get one off during all the running around for fireball/ground circle/hot tail-or-wing combos (nor should you want to, because people won't be able to take good advantage of it anyway). However, in between those combos there are extended periods of Nidhogg sitting quite still barring tank foibles, facing directly (first combo pattern definitely, second combo pattern suboptimally) or diagonally (second combo pattern optimally) away from the party at the tank du jour, and both having an easily accessible rear. The first combo pattern doesn't have an easily accessible flank (at least not the first time around when he goes straight from akh morn to fireballs and you don't want him facing off to the side for his hot wing, and these days he'll usually die before he gets to the repeat version of that pattern where there's a nice DPS period in between), but the rear for TA is perfectly accessible. Yes I know you can still get flank damage in at that point, if you know what you're doing and things are going smoothly re: healing.
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I'd say ninja is way more flashy than monk, what with all the ninjitsu and the constant spinning and flipping in every attack. With a monk you'll get elixir field and occasionally tornado kick for flash, maybe dragon kick if you let the animation actually play all the way out which it never does.
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