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Thesaurus posted:Promote Accountability and Government Efficiency Act Well that's not great... In curious if it is implemented how it would work in practice.
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The Iron Rose posted:United States intelligence community. DIA, INR, NSA, CIA, etc. Biggest assets you can bring if you're looking to work as an analyst are language skills and good writing. Seriously, if you can write well and think critically and get through a SF86, it's not a bad gig. And I know for a fact that lots of journalist types get hired, surprisingly enough, again, especially if you have any foreign policy or international relations expertise. What sort of Master's Degree would USIC be looking for? Just internation/foreign policy or something?
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:What sort of Master's Degree would USIC be looking for? Just internation/foreign policy or something? Political Science, Economics, Security Studies is the big one. If you've a focus on a specific region that'd probably work as well. Math, linguistics, cryptolinguistics. Criminology and psychology too I suppose, though that's a bit more of a stretch and would be better suited for applications to the FBI. Honestly the type of masters degree is less important than the degree itself.
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Discendo Vox posted:Christ, I need to get hired into government soon. Just in time for FERS, the MSPB, and step increases disbanded!
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Whose dick do I have to suck to get a job with the SEC?
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Ciprian Maricon posted:Is there a way to get anymore feedback from USA Jobs than "Not Referred"? Kinda hard to know what you're loving up when that's all the feedback you get.  "Not Referred' is not even the worst result, given that I think at least 1/4 of my applications never even got anything that definitive for a status. The very first job I ever applied to in 2013 was still listed as "reviewing applications" or something the last time I checked. Thesaurus posted:Promote Accountability and Government Efficiency Act The Iron Rose posted:Political Science, Economics, Security Studies is the big one. If you've a focus on a specific region that'd probably work as well. Math, linguistics, cryptolinguistics. Criminology and psychology too I suppose, though that's a bit more of a stretch and would be better suited for applications to the FBI.  Granted maybe now that I am an actual fed things would be different? Particularly given my related doctorate. Except...I now no longer want to work for some of those agencies thanks to 2016. Hmm. Ooh, I know! Cry!I have an interview next week with an agency that the incoming administration hates. I sort of want to go for it for the inevitable war stories it would produce. Plus unless they get rid of career status (which I am sure they would love to do) I can always just quit and go elsewhere???
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Thesaurus posted:Promote Accountability and Government Efficiency Act At-will employment would be extremely difficult to implement because federal employees have a constitutional property right in their jobs. That right has long been recognized by the Supreme Court, and it means that taking that job away is subject to due process. That process alone runs contrary to the idea of being able to fire an employee for no reason. If they can get the Supreme Court to go along with changing that right, then all bets are off. But I have my doubts that it would happen with the current court, even after Trump appoints a new justice.
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Dr. Quarex posted:
Yeah I've got a few that still say 'received' years after applying quote:That would be so amazing if they made it so people had to get Exceeded Expectations to get a raise, particularly as the logic also suggests that would preclude you from going up a pay grade for the same reason. The agencies that give everyone 4.8+/5 would not understand what the big deal is, and the agencies that basically grade like a curved science class would see immediate huge attrition. Everyone wins! Realistically this would mean everyone started getting "above average" if they were average though I suspect. This varies within agency too, at mine the groups in some areas/regions skew heavily towards all 5's while in others a 4.0 is about the best you can expect. To say nothing of the differences between individual managers
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My agency falls into the average=good category. A 3/5 means you did your job well. With my specific EPAP it's practically impossible for me to get a 5/5. If we did go to a 4/5 evaluation to get a step increase, we would probably see a whole bunch of EPAP's being rewritten to make it easier to get a 4/5. Unless your boss is a giant dick.
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Is there any chance that one of y'all works at the Millennium Challenge Corporation? I just applied for a job there and I'm curious to hear from people who work for them.
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There are some mighty cool government jobs out there though
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Oooh I have an interview Friday, I cannot wait until half-way through they get a call informing them that ALL JOBS ARE STOPPED edit: FOREVER
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Dr. Quarex posted:Oooh I have an interview Friday, I cannot wait until half-way through they get a call informing them that ALL JOBS ARE STOPPED I have a tentative offer. I am terrified.
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Slaan posted:Have a backup plan
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Slaan posted:Have a backup plan *shudders* I do.
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Anniversary posted:*shudders* Hell, I've been in for 6 years and I have a backup plan.
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we were told back in december to not bother asking for any new employees after Jan 1 because it wouldn't happen, and we aren't one of the agencies slated to be shitcanned.
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ixo posted:we were told back in december to not bother asking for any new employees after Jan 1 because it wouldn't happen, and we aren't one of the agencies slated to be shitcanned. It will be interesting to see whether they go so far as to literally just kill all hiring dead or whether they let pre-existing hiring processes finish before the conversion to a walled city-state.
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ixo posted:we were told back in december to not bother asking for any new employees after Jan 1 because it wouldn't happen, and we aren't one of the agencies slated to be shitcanned. I guess I can understand that from an optics perspective, but there's only one president at a time, and if the current administration had regular hiring needs, I don't see why they should have held off on those in the first half of this month.
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Not a surprise, but the hiring freeze has occured: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/23/trump-freezes-federal-hiring
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Rip Testes posted:Not a surprise, but the hiring freeze has occured: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/01/23/trump-freezes-federal-hiring Got my tentative offer e-mail earlier today. Pretty sure this means I'm looking at plan B?
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Anniversary posted:Got my tentative offer e-mail earlier today. I've no idea. My wife was supposed to start next month... Told her to stick with her current Plan A.
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Rip Testes posted:I've no idea. My wife was supposed to start next month... Told her to stick with her current Plan A. Fortunately I already did everything I can currently for Plan A. So working on Plan B now costs me nothing. The not knowing is killer though.
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Anniversary posted:Got my tentative offer e-mail earlier today. Almost certainly- it looks like it applies to anyone who hasn't actually begun work. The White house site and the federal register haven't uploaded the text of this or the TPP one yet.
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Discendo Vox posted:Almost certainly- it looks like it applies to anyone who hasn't actually begun work. WP had this: "The plan excludes the “military, public safety, and public health.”" So...
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TCD posted:WP had this: "The plan excludes the “military, public safety, and public health.”" New reports say it is only the military exempted. Pucker your sphincters, folks....
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drat, does this affect grade/step increases too?
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I assume that military means active duty, not the entire DoD. I'm also gonna be mad if that affects grade/step increases.
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Delorence Fickle posted:drat, does this affect grade/step increases too? According to the text, no. https://twitter.com/EricM_Katz/status/823651322440384514/photo/1 Unilaterally killing grade/step increases might be beyond the president's authority. I'd have to read into it more, but I'm pretty sure that it would require congressional action. In other words, give it a week or two, and they'll get around to it.
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I take that the WRP will no longer hire people with disabilities?
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TheMadMilkman posted:According to the text, no. I'm concerned. I'm a researcher at a Government lab and was about to get a "Person in Job" promotion, i.e., one where a new position description is created for you because the work you're doing is deemed to exceed the GS range approved for your current position. I'm not so sure that the EO allows for that. The processing for my promotion was first delayed while my management developed a new process for this sort of promotion, then delayed by HR so they could cram in new hires before the 20th. I'll be pretty upset with my agency if this promotion is blocked. I've stayed in this job because of the work environment; I feel like I have more freedom than I would in industry and more resources than I'd have in academia. But my research group was already getting thin between the retirement of a few world-class researchers in the last few years and the inability to attract and hire high quality talent; in part because we can only hire US citizens and graduate students in my area are generally foreign, in part because Silicon Valley is more attractive to young STEM PhDs, and in part because Government research funding in my area has been limited due to excessive security concerns. I publish a lot and am well known in my area--I get job offers from industry regularly and I think I'm still competitive on the academic market. I'm not sure I can hang on for another four (or more) years of a worsening situation. I'm not in this for the money, 'cause the money ain't good, but I'm having a serious rethink about whether I want to stay here.
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TheMadMilkman posted:According to the text, no. Am I misunderstanding this to say that contracting out is also being curtailed?
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Rip Testes posted:Am I misunderstanding this to say that contracting out is also being curtailed? Well, it seems to indicate that contracting with the intent of circumventing the EO by using contractors to fill positions originally intended as CS is prohibited. But I would think new contracts would still be allowed, and it's pretty hard to come up with rules that determine intent. Plus, agencies still have to spend their budgets--money "saved" by freezing hiring will be spent on procurement until Congress gets around to passing a budget.
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Tetraptous posted:I'm concerned. I'm a researcher at a Government lab and was about to get a "Person in Job" promotion, i.e., one where a new position description is created for you because the work you're doing is deemed to exceed the GS range approved for your current position. I'm not so sure that the EO allows for that. The processing for my promotion was first delayed while my management developed a new process for this sort of promotion, then delayed by HR so they could cram in new hires before the 20th. I'll be pretty upset with my agency if this promotion is blocked. Details here:http://www.govexec.com/management/2017/01/here-are-details-trumps-governmentwide-hiring-freeze/134803/?oref=top-story Looks like you're still out of luck, though- it applies to positions "vacant as of Jan 22" Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Jan 24, 2017 |
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Grouchio posted:Do think tanks count as federal jobs/affected by the hiring freeze? I'm having a lot of trouble telling myself- it casts as broad a net as possible, but I think if the organization is not classified as an executive agency (not placed under the executive branch by establishing legislation) then there's not a legal way for the Order to apply to it. I'm sending my resume into PCORI at the moment, so I guess we'll find out. According to folks familiar with the last two hiring freezes, agencies usually ignored orders to not contract things out, contributing to them being completely ineffective. It's hard to tell what will happen this time, though, given the composition of congress.
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