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Mercury Hat posted:I'm sure the character had a source for them, but I'm imagining someone painstakingly collecting them from shoeboxes in stores for ages before they have enough to hide a murder. i order them in bulk online for drying psilocybin mushrooms
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Yeah, I need an online encyclopedia with as much detail as can be crammed in. That is what I need a general reference source to have. I mean, 16,500 words on Star Wars, a series of films about space wizards frankly is not enough.
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IMO the best Wikipedia entries on that sort of topic are the ones that have a general overview up top, and then a "timeline" section below for people who want a lot of detail. So if anyone is really bothered by the level of detail, or finds it too wordy, you could go edit it into a more readable format. I went looking for an example of what I was thinking of, and couldn't find one. Instead, I offer some less-known (or maybe I just hadn't heard of them) rampage killings from long ago and/or far away. Except for Simmons, these are relatively short and free of gruesome detail. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Gene_Simmons quote:Ronald Gene Simmons, Sr., (July 15, 1940 – June 25, 1990) was an American spree killer, who killed 16 people over a week-long period in Arkansas in 1987. A retired military serviceman, Simmons murdered fourteen members of his family, including a daughter he had sexually abused and the child he had fathered with her, a former co-worker, and a stranger, and wounded four others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkankergen_mass_murder quote:Arqanqergen is a border post between Kazakhstan and China. At 5 a.m. on 28 May 2012, communication with the border post was lost. When police from a nearby post came to investigate, they discovered the charred quarters and 14 corpses, also burned; a body of a local gamekeeper was found later at a nearby house. The bodies were subsequently identified as fourteen soldiers and one huntsman. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tore_Hedin quote:Tore Hedin (7 January 1927 – 22 August 1952) was a Swedish mass murderer, spree killer and police officer. The act perpetrated by Hedin, commonly known as Hurvamorden, is infamous for being the worst known act of spree killing in Swedish criminal history. The case remains infamous as well since Hedin, as a police officer, was for an extended period assigned to investigate his own murders. Not much detail in this classic case of "running amok": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antakin But the sole working link on the wikipedia entry is a laundry list of fires, battles, riots and shipwrecks: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18970911.2.13 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barend_Strydom quote:Barend Hendrik Strydom, also known as the White Wolf (Afrikaans: Wit Wolf), is a convicted spree killer who was sentenced to death for shooting dead seven black people (and wounding 15 more) in Strijdom Square in Pretoria, South Africa on 15 November 1988. He had earlier killed a woman and injured another in a trial run in preparation for the massacre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Essex quote:Gaining entry from a fire stairwell on the 18th floor, the top floor of the building, Essex startled three Howard Johnson's employees, all of whom were African-American. Essex told them not to worry, as he was only there to kill white people. The employees promptly notified the authorities. In the hallway in front of room 1829, Essex found 27-year-old vacationing Dr. Robert Steagall and his wife Betty, a couple from Virginia enjoying a belated honeymoon. After a struggle with Dr. Steagall, Essex shot him in the chest and shot Betty in the back of the head. The Steagalls both died of their injuries. In the room, he soaked telephone books with lighter fluid and set them ablaze under the curtains. Essex dropped a Pan-African flag onto the floor beside the bodies of the couple as he left. On the 11th floor, Essex shot his way into several rooms and set more fires. On the 11th floor, he shot and killed Frank Schneider, the hotel's assistant manager, and shot Walter Collins, the hotel's general manager. Collins died in the hospital three weeks later as a result of his gunshot wounds. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ibragimov quote:On October 8, a battle between Chechen government rebels and the Russian Army occurred in the Mikenskaya area. After the battle had ceased, people came out of their hiding places, and Ibragimov first approached a group of people sitting on a bench, and after a little chat with them he took out a Kalashnikov rifle and shot four of them. Ibragimov, who was reportedly drunk, then went through the village and shot those whom he recognized as being Russians, while sparing those who were Chechens. After taking a bicyle from one of his victims, he methodically rode to houses occupied by Russians, called out their inhabitants, and shot them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashupatinath_Temple_shooting quote:At about 7:30 p.m. on July 23, Ramesh Sharma, who was assigned to guard duty at the Pashupatinath temple that day, entered a tea shop adjacent to the temple, armed with a Lee–Enfield and his pockets bulging with cartridges. He aimed his rifle at the shop owner's nephew, Pradeep, and asked him "Should I shoot you?", before killing him.
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I'm sure this channel has been mentioned before but it is worth checking out Cayleigh Elise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=user?cayleighelise She does videos on mysteries, murders, disappearances, 15-25 min, balanced and informative. Recommended.
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Josef K. Sourdust posted:I'm sure this channel has been mentioned before but it is worth checking out Cayleigh Elise Is the link broken for anyone else?
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I'm not exactly objective about the Port Arthur page, but silver linings, at least it's not a stub or filled with terrible grammar. I thought there might be something recent about the killer as possible content, but (pleasantly?) there's been nothing about him in the news for nearly a year, and that was only because it was a notable anniversary. Edit: yeah, I think the forum thought it was a video? http://www.youtube.com/user/cayleighelise
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uvar posted:I thought there might be something recent about the killer as possible content, but (pleasantly?) there's been nothing about him in the news for nearly a year, and that was only because it was a notable anniversary. I guess his ability to make news in the foreseeable future has been curbed somewhat quote:Bryant was sentenced to 35 sentences of life imprisonment plus 1,035 years I remember him being in the news about 10 years ago because he kept trying to kill himself and other prisoners wanted him dead too
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Speaking of unnerving Australian things in the news. The father of Azaria Chamberlain has passed away. She was previously discussed in this thread as she was the baby girl and taken and killed by dingos in the early 1980s. He and his a wife were convicted of her murder before being later exonerated.
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Varkk posted:Speaking of unnerving Australian things in the news. The father of Azaria Chamberlain has passed away. She was previously discussed in this thread as she was the baby girl and taken and killed by dingos in the early 1980s. It's bizarre how terrible that investigation really was. quote:The “blood” in the car and camera bag turned out to be sound deadener, milkshake, and copper dust (the Chamberlains lived in Mt. Isa, which is a copper mining town). The reason that they were said to be blood is because they had reacted positively to a reagent which is intended to be used as a tool to narrow the search to possible substances, requiring further testing. But the test was taken as proof that the substances were blood, not at all in line with the intention of the manufacturer Behringwerke, as highlighted in their letter.
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The longest sentence ever served was in Australia, although not an Australian - at least as far as this guy knows, but he seems pretty sure: https://mikedashhistory.com/2010/07/24/a-prison-curiosity/quote:...Charles Fossard, a French immigrant to Australia who killed a man in Skye, just south of Melbourne, on 28 June 1903. Fossard (no doubt originally Foussard) was then just 21 years old; he was tracked down, interrogated, judged insane, and then incarcerated on 21 August that same year. Sent on to the grim secure hospital known as J-Ward, part of Melbourne’s Ararat Lunatic Asylum, he remained there until his death, aged 92, on 19 June 1974. Australia also had, possibly, the oldest prisoner? quote:Bill Wallace was 46 when he shot dead a man named Ernest Williams during an argument over a cigarette in a Melbourne cafe in 1926. In normal circumstances, his age alone would have been enough to deny Wallace a place on this listing. But old Bill was far from normal. He lived on, and on, dying only after serving more than 63 years inside. He was by then just one month shy of 108 – the oldest prisoner by far of whom I’ve found a record. The longest Australian jail sentence was 54 years, for a man who in the 1950s "killed a child, strangling a 12-year-old girl named Fiona Pronger with his belt after she rejected his advances". But both of the men above lived out their sentences in J-Ward instead: quote:"...There was a poo poo bucket in the middle of the room. People slept on the concrete floor. Meal times were like the feeding of animals. Some people couldn’t have their straightjackets removed, they were that mad. So people still wearing their straightjackets would just dunk their heads into the bowls of food.” It's a long-form article, or maybe lots of shorter articles glued together, and kept updated; it also goes over those who survived their sentences (#1 being Paul Geidel, released in NY in 1980 after 68 years 8 months), the longest spells in solitary confinement, and the longest sentences served for each US state and a number of other countries. There's a 91yo in Connecticut who's only four years from breaking the world record... Mike Dash History: The longest prison sentences ever served
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Vladimir Poutine posted:I guess his ability to make news in the foreseeable future has been curbed somewhat At one point, I read something about him having his own wing to himself in Risdon. According to some skeevy media poo poo from last year, he's more integrated into the general prison society but still very much kept to himself. He's very medicated, massively overweight and bribes people with chocolate bars for attention. He's going to have to be kept to himself for the rest of his life. Dude could be a very old man and I bet there would still be people in gen pop in Risdon who would kill him for bragging rights. uvar posted:I'm not exactly objective about the Port Arthur page, but silver linings, at least it's not a stub or filled with terrible grammar. I don't want to keep this argument going, but Port Arthur is hardly the only wikipedia article about a massacre which goes into such full on detail. The two related links at the bottom of that very wiki page are both written in a similarly exacting way. It may be down to the severe nature of the crime as others have suggested. I think more likely there were some wiki editors who had a bit of a boner for massacres, or for making contributions to those pages because of the high hit count. Maybe it's because these high profile cases generate shitloads of resource material for wiki contributors to pick through. Who knows I guess? There are style guides for wiki pages, but the content comes from individual contributors. And in the end aren't we all just weirdos typing on the internet about brutal slayings? Varkk posted:Speaking of unnerving Australian things in the news. The father of Azaria Chamberlain has passed away. She was previously discussed in this thread as she was the baby girl and taken and killed by dingos in the early 1980s. I think I've mentioned this before, I lived just down the road from Lindy growing up. My parents were good friends with her and her second husband. Used to catch the school bus with Kahlia. I remember there being no love lost between Lindy and Michael though, awful rows. They were really nice people though from what I remember. I wouldn't wish what they went through on anybody.
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uvar posted:Edit: yeah, I think the forum thought it was a video? http://www.youtube.com/user/cayleighelise Yes, sorry. I was linking to her home page and SA thought it was a video link. She covers a lot of cases we discuss here, so you'll see familiar stuff among the new, with photos, maps and some sound recordings.
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Not sure if this guy has come up in this thread. A pretty great read: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/magazine/albrecht-muth-and-viola-drath-georgetowns-worst-marriage.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 And a shorter but more recent piece which has his conviction: http://wpo.st/ELkQ2 quote:When he married in 1991, Albrecht Gero Muth, then 26, was an ambitious former congressional intern. His bride, Viola Herms Drath, was a spry 71-year-old journalist, playwright, socialite and activist on behalf of military mothers.
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Just wait a few years, dude
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theflyingorc posted:Just wait a few years, dude It looks like he waited 20
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Its not even like she was wealthy though, they were getting by on her previous husband's pension.
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Well if you really think about it most of the people who live in Australia are living out a multi generational prison sentence.
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Solice Kirsk posted:"Haha, how do you conceive of a shot like this?!" They're establishing the hell outta this building!
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pookel posted:Not sure if this guy has come up in this thread. A pretty great read: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/magazine/albrecht-muth-and-viola-drath-georgetowns-worst-marriage.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 https://www.reddit.com/r/creepyPMs/comments/122per/dont_i_know_that_name_from_somewhere/
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Celery Face posted:Someone who was looking for apartments in Georgetown got an......interesting message from this guy. Ha, that was actually where I found this - I was catching up on the Craigslist thread.
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pookel posted:Not sure if this guy has come up in this thread. A pretty great read: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/magazine/albrecht-muth-and-viola-drath-georgetowns-worst-marriage.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 Celery Face posted:Someone who was looking for apartments in Georgetown got an......interesting message from this guy. These reminded me of another DC killing (that's maybe been covered in some version of this thread). I'm hazy on the details but the gist of it was that a guy was visiting a friend in DC and ended up getting killed in the friend's apartment, and even though there was a lot of suspicion around the friend, there either wasn't enough solid evidence for an arrest, or they got arrested and released, or something like that. Does this ring a bell for anybody at all?
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Zamboni_Rodeo posted:These reminded me of another DC killing (that's maybe been covered in some version of this thread). I'm hazy on the details but the gist of it was that a guy was visiting a friend in DC and ended up getting killed in the friend's apartment, and even though there was a lot of suspicion around the friend, there either wasn't enough solid evidence for an arrest, or they got arrested and released, or something like that. Robert Wone https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_Eric_Wone http://whomurderedrobertwone.com http://www.washingtonblade.com/2016/08/10/10-years-later-wone-murder-remains-mystery/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/3brxz9/the_bizarre_murder_of_robert_eric_wone/
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^^^^^^ That's exactly it, thanks!
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Here's one for the thread. Skirting the line of doxing myself, but the link is tenuous at best. HLN runs all the old Forensic Files for a majority of the day. I've seen most of the early ones, so I usually have it on as background noise while shitposting. There was an episode on, and I heard a name I recognized. It was a kid I went to school with until about 5th grade. It was a real weird holy poo poo feeling for the entire episode. Here's a report from ABC7 in Chicago: http://abc7chicago.com/archive/6003474/ quote:Ari Squire was pronounced dead on February 23. What was believed to be his body was pinned underneath his pickup truck that caught on fire in his Lake Barrington garage. Because the body was badly burned, the Lake County coroner tentatively identified him through circumstantial evidence. But days later, dental records changed that. quote:Police say the murder was part of Squire's well-planned scheme to fake his own death and assume Newman's identity. Squire swapped clothes and wallets with Newman and bought blue contacts and brown hair coloring to match Newman's eyes and hair. In the meantime, Newman was reported missing by his mother. Squire then fled to Eureka, Missouri, where his plan fell apart. There's more out there, he had just taken out huge insurance policies totaling $6 million. A lawsuit against the wife by the insurance company to get it back. Just bizarre.
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Ooh, did someone say Forensic Files? Here are some of the weirder cases. Cop has his house burnt down. A mentally ill man apparently confesses that he and a drug dealer started the fire as revenge for the cop stealing their money. When the investigators dig deeper, the confession quickly falls apart. Unfortunately, the mentally ill guy goes missing before they can interview him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llvuyL0SplI A man named Gene Hanson dies from a heart attack in a doctor's office, his business partner identifies the body and receives a huge life insurance payout. Everyone else is suspicious because the body was already cold when the paramedics got there. Then someone from the insurance company looks at the fingerprint on Gene Hanson's driver's license and the one taken after he died and notices that they don't match. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjq3VuMd7nI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Boggs A lady in a small Saskatchewan town claims a doctor drugged and raped her. A blood test is done twice and it doesn't match so she hires a PI to break into his car and steal his lip balm. She sends it to a private lab. It's a match. So why didn't the blood tests work? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABK6L0oHbbw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Schneeberger Celery Face has a new favorite as of 10:58 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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flosofl posted:HLN runs all the old Forensic Files for a majority of the day. I've seen most of the early ones, so I usually have it on as background noise while shitposting. There was an episode on, and I heard a name I recognized. It was a kid I went to school with until about 5th grade. It was a real weird holy poo poo feeling for the entire episode.
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Hulu has Forensic Files seasons 8-12. http://www.hulu.com/forensic-files But I just watched them on YouTube since they are all available there, some in HD. http://www.youtube.com/user/ForensicFilesChannel
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pookel posted:Was the kid you knew the murderer or the victim? That is creepy as hell either way. The murderer. He was part of our social circle in elementary school when I was growing up. It was a name I hadn't heard in at least 30 years, but as soon as it was said on an episode I was barely paying attention, my brain "ALERT! YOU MUST PAY ATTENTION TO THIS!" Yep, this is the episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iTxvrT1YQw
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Forensic Files rocks, and it's one of the only good true-crime shows. In large part, because it doesn't hype much, and it's very clear about what the actual standards for evidence are.
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Pick posted:Forensic Files rocks, and it's one of the only good true-crime shows. In large part, because it doesn't hype much, and it's very clear about what the actual standards for evidence are. On the other hand it's always funny when they talk about fiber analysis or parson forensics
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Yeaaaahhh but it's still about how things were being done at the time. Though some of the fiber analysis is probably fair, like "holy poo poo did you see this bright orange whatever? It completely matches this garish orange other thing." The best episodes are for crimes done by really dumb criminals because it's just fun to see how much evidence they can stack against one idiot. Like there's one where the guy bought a gun and then shot his parents and then threw the gun into the river in a plastic bag with the gloves he was wearing at the time. the bag not only floated, but preserved his dna and prints almost exactly. oh and the serial number matched the gun he, just bought Here are some good ones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwkYk9IyN-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsXXAPIk7ZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czfF-Bn6ZkI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FQrGvAUs18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yubtfPrfSr0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FEAcu7CQBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynkqGeGZ8BQ Pick has a new favorite as of 06:23 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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flosofl posted:There's more out there, he had just taken out huge insurance policies totaling $6 million. A lawsuit against the wife by the insurance company to get it back. Just bizarre. That's not all. According to the FF episode, Squire had been stalking one of Newman's coworkers who was a better physical match for what he had planned. When the coworker overslept and missed the meeting at Squire's house, Squire contacted his fallback, Newman. One of those holy-poo poo-it-gets-worse moments.
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Cold Case Files was my show. Little Girl Lost was the one that stuck with me. Folks digging around a house in Chicago came across a child's body. After a lot of dead ends, they figured out the child's name - Holly Blake - and that the mother abused and eventually killed her. Holly's brother had been so young, he didn't remember having a sister. There was another case on the show where the mother had murdered one of twins. The surviving brother didn't remember his twin, either, until relatives started asking him about her. Her body was in a suitcase that was hidden in a closet.
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RC and Moon Pie posted:Cold Case Files was my show. Everything about Cold Case Files was amazing. Interesting cases, the music and of course, Bill Kurtis's amazing voice.
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DumbparameciuM posted:I don't want to keep this argument going, but Port Arthur is hardly the only wikipedia article about a massacre which goes into such full on detail. The two related links at the bottom of that very wiki page are both written in a similarly exacting way. It may be down to the severe nature of the crime as others have suggested. I think more likely there were some wiki editors who had a bit of a boner for massacres, or for making contributions to those pages because of the high hit count. Maybe it's because these high profile cases generate shitloads of resource material for wiki contributors to pick through. Who knows I guess? There are style guides for wiki pages, but the content comes from individual contributors. And in the end aren't we all just weirdos typing on the internet about brutal slayings? One of the (many) weirdness about Wikipedia is the uneven focus, i.e there being more about Batman than bats. There are subjects wiki-nerds love, there are things that are easy to write about (anything with a whole list of facts and no intepretation) and wiki contributors can't write for poo poo. I once read a good suggestion that every Wikipedia article should be limited to (say) 3000 words and 30 references. If there was anything more to say, it should be broken out into another article (e.g. Batman in the movies. Alternative versions of Batman, etc.)
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Forensic Files is great for light watching but it's easy to get disappointed when you're a bit in and the husband or whoever hasn't had a speaking bit so it's obvious who did it right away. I prefer when it's some random person because there's more of a follow the clues kinda thing, whereas with domestic poo poo it's kind of a cliche.
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It's a bit of a mind gently caress when they DO have the murderer on, though. Can't name episodes but I've definitely seen one or two where the killer's there. Forensic Files is usually the only thing on between 3-5am so I watch a lot of it at work these days.
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