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Furnaceface posted:I thought he wasnt even getting a position as a diplomat and was basically being sent over to Europe to vanish from the public eye. Scuttlebutt is that he was offered a concurrent ambassadorship to the EU and Germany a sort of super ambassadorship, but also that he was given no advanced notification.
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DynamicSloth posted:Scuttlebutt is that he was offered a concurrent ambassadorship to the EU and Germany a sort of super ambassadorship, but also that he was given no advanced notification. You are correct on the concurrent roles, one is a Ambassador the other is a Consular gig. Both are appointments by PMO. He was given notification as per The Hill vs. Globe & Mail quote. A cabinet shuffle is standard for the first 180 to 400 days, usually done before a new Session. Dion is a known Russian sympathizer who also ran afoul with the Trudeau Saudi arms deal. While the deal was a carry over from the Harper Parl. he did little to diffuse the situation, which did not play well with the pollsters in December. Global Affairs also is the facing agency on foreign relations, which means the final "strike" came on the "pay to play" scandal that became a Oversight investigation in November. Trudeau needs a fresh start in Foreign Policy / Immigration. Of the 2016 year the EU Trade agreement was his only success with the Press & Diplo. corps. Framing 2017-2018 around a competency narrative will be needed should Trump mount a NAFTA challenge or pressure Canada to bail on CUFTA. Removing Dion from Cabinet mitigates those risks. Hal_2005 fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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as we speak, nick kouvalis is planning the rollout of kellie leitch's scat fetish
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The Butcher posted:
It turns out we were bestowing the wrong kind of gold on him.
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Hal_2005 posted:He was given notification as per The Hill vs. Globe & Mail quote. Obviously he was informed at some point, but I think the fact that he was still making up his mind about whether to take the position yesterday indicates it wasn't like 2 weeks ago. Very clear from the Globe story he's still got a lot of enemies in the party, though I doubt Trudeau or his brain trust were directly responsible for the smear quotes.
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Two weeks isn't that long to spend in contemplation of a job prospect that requires your family to relocate.
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Subjunctive posted:Two weeks isn't that long to spend in contemplation of a job prospect that requires your family to relocate. It's not that easy to make priorities.
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mojo1701a posted:It's not that easy to make priorities. I don't follow.
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Subjunctive posted:I don't follow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEjucHcJwoQ MikeSevigny posted:It turns out we were bestowing the wrong kind of gold on him. We already did Fake News this week.
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I think we did "what are the different parts of a news article" this week.
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No need for this thread to get pissy.
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Excelsiortothemax posted:No need for this thread to get pissy. Look at the thread urine. Do you really think people can hold in that kind of flood?
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Excelsiortothemax posted:No need for this thread to get pissy. it's really watering down the discourse in here
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JawKnee posted:it's really watering down the discourse in here New thread title please.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEjucHcJwoQ 'Fake News' is quickly becoming my least favourite term to come out of this election. RT tweeting that 'BREAKING: new satellite image reveals MH-17 shot down by Ukrainian Jet' is Fake News Buzzfeed writing a click bait article with an exaggerated headline is not Fake News. Trump and Obama were both personally debriefed by the heads of the FBI, CIA and NSA about the report that the Russians had blackmail material on Trump. I don't think the heads of 3 intelligence agencies typically brief the president on 'Fake News'
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it's the logical conclusion of fakeposting. it's us, we did this.
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It's the logical conclusion of people with poor reading comprehension skills being unable to differentiate between "American President-Elect paid Russian hookers to urinate in front of him!" and "Report shown to high-level members of US government and intelligence services claims American President-Elect paid Russian hookers to urinate in front of him!". One of those things, specifically the latter, the one being reported on provably happened, it's not fake news. The only people claiming it is are confusing it for the former. Buzzfeed is not claiming the report's contents are accurate, in fact they specifically repeat that they've been unable to verify them. What they're reporting on is that the briefing itself exists and its contents have been known by US state and intelligence services since at least August. That arguably is news*. This is like every idiot that cried foul over The Star reporting that there was a video that appeared to show Rob Ford smoking from a glass pipe. Guess what, there was such a video. They never once said Mayor Ford smokes crack, that leap was made by the idiots who wanted to cry about the media ganging up on poor 'ol Robbie. *Mother Jones reported on it, minus the brief's contents, in October last year. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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infernal machines posted:It's the logical conclusion of people with poor reading comprehension skills being unable to differentiate between "American President-Elect paid Russian hookers to urinate in front of him!" and "Report shown to high-level members of US government and intelligence services claims American President-Elect paid Russian hookers to urinate in front of him!". One of those things, specifically the latter, the one being reported on provably happened, it's not fake news. The only people claiming it is are confusing it for the former. Yeah, it's almost like people are too conditioned to news organizations only reporting verified, unbiased truth or something. If there's ever been an appropriate time to victim blame, it is now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcATG9Qy_A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZI0Q3LQZmo&t=20s I love it so hard. 9 more days
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Who's victim blaming? You have failed to comprehend the literal meaning of what has been written. You've treated your own logical leaps and insinuations as if they were the story, and are blaming the press for your outrage at your own imaginings. You don't have to keep proving you don't know what fake news is. You also don't have to keep demonstrating that you can't differentiate reality from your internal narrative. You've made those points pretty clear. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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infernal machines posted:You don't have to keep proving you don't know what fake news is. Enlighten me. Is it fake news when CNN reports that possessing the stuff on wikileaks is illegal but it's different for the media ?
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Enlighten me. Is it fake news when CNN reports that possessing the stuff on wikileaks is illegal but it's different for the media ? Sure, I mean unless it actually is illegal to possess, say if you're a member of the US military (because it's classified), and they actually specify that in the segment. In which case it would be a misleading headline, but not actually fake news. If they don't specify that it's only illegal for US service members without the proper security rating to posses, then it's bad journalism. If they outright state that it's illegal for everyone to possess, then that would be false, and would probably qualify as a fake news story. Of course if they're just reporting that someone from the White house or an intelligence service claims it's illegal to posses, then they're in the clear, as long as that person actually made the claim. A Typical Goon posted:RT tweeting that 'BREAKING: new satellite image reveals MH-17 shot down by Ukrainian Jet' is Fake News This is fake news, there was no such satellite image, so the news about its existence and content is fake. If they had said "Russian intelligence claims new satellite image reveals MH-17 shot down by Ukrainian Jet", and the KSB had done a presser with a doctored satellite photo, that would not be fake news. See, very simple. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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infernal machines posted:Sure, I mean unless it actually is illegal to possess, say if you're a member of the US military (because it's classified), and they actually specify that in the segment. In which case it would be a misleading headline, but not actually fake news. If they don't specify that it's only illegal for US service members without the proper security rating to posses, then it's bad journalism. If they outright state that it's illegal for everyone to possess, then that would be false, and would probably qualify as a fake news story. Here was the wording. CNN posted:Also interesting is, remember, it’s illegal to possess these stolen documents. It’s different for the media, so everything you’re learning about this, you’re learning from us and in full disclosure. Lets take a look at what is in there and what it means, joining us now CNN's senior ... Fake news or not fake news?
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Well that's a lie, so if that's the full content of the story then it's fake news. But that wasn't the content of the story, the content of the story was what was in the leaked emails. CNN lied, but not about the actual news story itself. Honestly it's not clear why they would lie about that either, since it's entirely irrelevant if they're disclosing the information anyway. Verdict: Not fake news, but a lie. Fake news is a lie, but not all lies are fake news. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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Is "Trump appointee claims climate change a hoax" fake news? If not, why would any other "X claims Y" construction be taken as a claim of Y by the author?
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infernal machines posted:Well that's a lie, so if that's the full content of the story then it's fake news. But that wasn't the content of the story, the content of the story was what was in the leaked emails. What is a "news story", what are the components?
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Why are you trying so desperately to cling to this? The news story you've somehow made this conversation about is detailing the contents of leaked emails from the DNC, that is the "subject" of the story. Whether the story is "fake news" or not hinges entirely on the veracity of this subject. A reporter from CNN mentions, in prefacing the subject of the story, that it's illegal to be in possession of the documents that were leaked. Since the subject of the story is not whether or not it's illegal to be in possession of the documents, but rather the contents of the documents, the subject of the story is not false, therefore it is not a fake news story. The reporter told a lie, tangential to the subject of the story. This is bad, and it raises questions about the veracity of the reporting, but it does not in and of itself make the story false. If in this segment the reporter lied about the contents of those emails, by fabricating a message or conversation that did not exist, that would make this a fake news story. Since it would involve fabricating information on the subject of the story. Edit: I'm sort of assuming that what he said is a lie, I mean it's possible that somewhere in the mess of post-9/11 security legislation that was rushed though there's something that makes it illegal to be in possession of illegally obtained private information, for Americans anyway. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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lolquote:The federal government has tested the public’s appetite for a Netflix tax, a new smartphone app for streaming Canadian content and spending on “moonshot” projects like placing a network of balloons on the edge of space to boost Internet access.
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It is funny because Harper warned us about this. https://youtu.be/vM-vz_CKZP8
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Every time I start to think "well, they cant possibly do worse." 
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I could live with $3 more to the cost of my new phone, but a $10 monthly charge which I almost certainly wouldn't be allowed to back out of, for content I would never use my phone to consume? gently caress that.
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Maybe we could use the billions of dollars the big 3 blow every spectrum auction to stop smaller companies from having country wide coverage. Or maybe ask the companies overcharging so much that they can't find any more stupid holes to stick their cash into to stop spending billions on the NHL and put some money into other stuff.
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infernal machines posted:Why are you trying so desperately to cling to this? I don't think you're a moron and your point of view is so different from mine that I'm curious how you arrive at yours. It's interesting, like dissecting an alien. infernal machines posted:The news story you've somehow made this conversation about is detailing the contents of leaked emails from the DNC, that is the "subject" of the story. Whether the story is "fake news" or not hinges entirely on the veracity of this subject. The story wasn't just that the emails were leaked, the story was that they were leaked online in such a way that anyone could easily go search them for any topic they were interested in. Wikileaks published 19,000 emails and 8,000 attachments online, making them easily searchable and viewable and giving everyday people a glimpse into the inner workings of the DNC. CNN presented their viewers with a tiny, curated sample but that's not what makes it fake news. They didn't just omit the news that anyone could go search them. They presented "fake" news about the source of their story similar to implying a sketchy unverified document is an official verified document. Subjunctive posted:Is "Trump appointee claims climate change a hoax" fake news? If not, why would any other "X claims Y" construction be taken as a claim of Y by the author? I think for me it depends on the source. If X claimed Y in a speech, it's real news. If X claimed Y in private and somebody recorded it and it's authenticated, real news. If an anonymous person emails buzzfeed saying that they heard X claims Y, it's fake news even if the last paragraph says that the source is really sketchy. If CNN says that they read on a website that X claimed Y and it is totally illegal for you to go to that website and you need to get all that website's information from CNN, fake news.
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Am I just old, do people actually want to watch tv shows on their smart phones?
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DynamicSloth posted:Am I just old, do people actually want to watch tv shows on their smart phones? The real question is do people actually want cancon? Id wager no.
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i have an idea for the liberals 2017 policy agenda: do what you promised during the loving election
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PT6A posted:Sure people want CanCon. Presumably Netflix brought back TPB because people wanted to watch it, not to piss money away. The lovely Canadian content no one wants makes up 99% of the stuff that gets made.
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