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Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee
Asensio is basically the FM17 must have imo. Hope he's not crap irl.

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sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Also I wouldn't touch any of those players for that kind of money*, especially if I didn't need them. You can do better in important attributes for much less.

*In FM16 money. Inflation seems to have done a number on prices in 17 based on what little I played, so maybe £30m is nothing.

eleven extra elephants
Feb 16, 2007

Menschliches! Allzumenschliches!!

sassassin posted:

Also I wouldn't touch any of those players for that kind of money*, especially if I didn't need them. You can do better in important attributes for much less.

*In FM16 money. Inflation seems to have done a number on prices in 17 based on what little I played, so maybe £30m is nothing.

I got Sane, Depay and Asensio for a combined 14 mill (Depay was free) you can get some crazy deals on 17 because for some reason the AI refuses to rotate their teams.

OoohU
Oct 26, 2013

Bitches ain't shit but genejacks & synths

sassassin posted:

They're really letting the west ham researcher run wild with Lanzini.

Eh only 12 anticipation? He wouldn't make my XI...

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

sassassin posted:

They're really letting the west ham researcher run wild with Lanzini.

He's p deece irl and has improved stacks in game, he's not that good at the start.

sassassin posted:

Also I wouldn't touch any of those players for that kind of money*, especially if I didn't need them. You can do better in important attributes for much less.

*In FM16 money. Inflation seems to have done a number on prices in 17 based on what little I played, so maybe £30m is nothing.

FM17 money is crazy times, 30 mil is the new 15 mil. I think I'll sign either Martial or Pjaca because I need a striker much more than a winger and I find good strikers cost crazy money no matter what, I'll report back.

Anyone have a recommendation for a right back? My normal go-to, Mario Fernandes, has gone to PSG for way too much money for me to match

Bogan Krkic fucked around with this message at 09:37 on Jan 11, 2017

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Lanzini's 23 he shouldn't be improving much from where he is now in the game.

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

Well too fuckin bad cos he does

Nah he doesn't all of a sudden turn into a world beater, but he starts out as a good player and has improved by a point or 2 over maybe 8 different attributes? It's not huge growth but it's tidy progress

OoohU
Oct 26, 2013

Bitches ain't shit but genejacks & synths
Fabinho for RB could be alright, although I don't remember what he costs.

eleven extra elephants
Feb 16, 2007

Menschliches! Allzumenschliches!!
Ben Henriches from Leverkusen is amazing and he can play on both sides

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
Natural fullbacks are mostly poo poo, find a DM with decent attributes and play them out of position

Gooses and Geeses
Jan 1, 2005

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?
That picture pack with the signatures is just superb. How do I get it?

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

Gooses and Geeses posted:

That picture pack with the signatures is just superb. How do I get it?

Picture pack is just the cutout megapack from sortitoutsi, signatures is part of the Vitrex skin from Debski, who has also done a massive hairpack for regens if you donate to him. I reckon it's worth a donation, he churns out consistently good skinning stuff for FM

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Gooses and Geeses posted:

That picture pack with the signatures is just superb. How do I get it?

Picture packs have no effect on a player's performance.

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

St Evan Echoes posted:

Picture packs have no effect on a player's performance.

It's your tactics

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

St Evan Echoes posted:

Picture packs have no effect on a player's performance.

Bullshit.

Gooses and Geeses
Jan 1, 2005

OH GOD WHY DIDN'T I LISTEN?

St Evan Echoes posted:

Picture packs have no effect on a player's performance.

This is all lies. The unknown players without a picture always seem to score past me.

Tictacs.

angry armadillo
Jul 26, 2010
I need a good picture pack for 17... this year I fast forwarded a year so Blyth came up into the Vanarama North league, I've got them to League 1 so far and I'm signing so many players that I have no idea about, I want faces :downs:

Cast_No_Shadow
Jun 8, 2010

The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

The amount of times over the years I take over some tiny team and eventually blow alll my budget on some guy who must be good because "he has a picture"

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

I ended up signing Depay cos he was the only one who could properly pass and shoot from range, and he's paid me back with 2 assists and a goal in 3 games so far.
Signed Martin Montoya for a knock down price of $15 mil for RB, and then spunked waaaaay too much money on this insanely one footed 20 y.o. to play up front:


Tell me how bad my decisions have been plz.

On the subject of facepacks, I downloaded the massive gently caress-off megapack with 73 million players in it and still signed a couple of youth players without a picture, and it drove me nuts enough to google them, find a good pic and add it myself cos I don't want some blank-face weirdo banging them in

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Bogan Krkic posted:

On the subject of facepacks, I downloaded the massive gently caress-off megapack with 73 million players in it and still signed a couple of youth players without a picture, and it drove me nuts enough to google them, find a good pic and add it myself cos I don't want some blank-face weirdo banging them in

I did that with a few swansea players. Dan James deserves a picture.

Concentration 10 means that lad is only going to use those attributes 2/5ths of the time during games. Expect a lot of howlers. Coaches say anything about his consistency?

Doesn't effect physicals, though, so at least you know he'll run fast.

Shazback
Jan 26, 2013

Bogan Krkic posted:

On the subject of facepacks, I downloaded the massive gently caress-off megapack with 73 million players in it and still signed a couple of youth players without a picture, and it drove me nuts enough to google them, find a good pic and add it myself cos I don't want some blank-face weirdo banging them in
I always wonder why SI haven't got a flag in one of the .ini files that forces regen faces if there is not a player picture... I don't even care that names and ethnicity don't match up, it's just so much nicer to have a face pop up than that grey blob.

Shroud
May 11, 2009

sassassin posted:

I did that with a few swansea players. Dan James deserves a picture.

Concentration 10 means that lad is only going to use those attributes 2/5ths of the time during games. Expect a lot of howlers. Coaches say anything about his consistency?

Doesn't effect physicals, though, so at least you know he'll run fast.

Every time I think I've started to figure out this game, I see something that makes me feel like the world's biggest idiot.

So concentration is not a attribute that's mainly used for defending? I thought that it measured how well defenders paid attention to what was going on, and that lower levels meant they would switch off near the end of a match.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Shroud posted:

Every time I think I've started to figure out this game, I see something that makes me feel like the world's biggest idiot.

So concentration is not a attribute that's mainly used for defending? I thought that it measured how well defenders paid attention to what was going on, and that lower levels meant they would switch off near the end of a match.

Concentration is the in-match form of Consistency.

Consistency is the number of games out of 25 that a player will play to his visible Mental and Technical attributes.

Concentration is the chance out of 25 that any individual in-match action will be performed to visible Mental and Technical attributes (or whatever his inconsistent values worked out to be). There are plenty of other modifiers to everything going on but it's one of the most transparent and widely used, attack & defence, high pressure and low pressure situations etc.

sassassin fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jan 14, 2017

Cast_No_Shadow
Jun 8, 2010

The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

So when a player fails his concentration roll what happens? 1's random, something else?

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

So when a player fails his concentration roll what happens? 1's random, something else?

The penalty for Consistency is that the player will play at ~10CA under his normal attributes, with exactly how much under determined at random (-10 is the average "off-day").

I'm not 100% but I assume Concentration operates in a similar way. There is a suggestion it comes into play more and more later into games.

The documentation for all this stuff is dogshit.

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

The lad has scored 6 in 7 so far so whatever imo. Depay has 7 goals and 5 assists in 12 league games too, he's the second best player in the league so far.

I'm just glad that the press conferences are better than ever:

X_ThePerfect
Jul 31, 2010
Is 17 worth the purchase if 15 was the last version I bought? I'm not super fussed about database updated but normally buy every other year. This year just isn't jumping out as a must buy though - that may be because I'm not sure of the exact changes.

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
16 was the first one I felt was a genuine step back over previous games.

17 is a stable version of that with far less annoying bullshit ruining the match engine.

In summary idk.

Cast_No_Shadow
Jun 8, 2010

The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

sassassin posted:

16 was the first one I felt was a genuine step back over previous games.

17 is a stable version of that with far less annoying bullshit ruining the match engine.

In summary idk.

Do fullbacks still rule the world?

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee
Nah, not as egregious in this version. Still important.

Mechafunkzilla
Sep 11, 2006

If you want a vision of the future...
So if I haven't played a FM game since '14, should I plan to buy FM 2018 y/n?

sassassin
Apr 3, 2010

by Azathoth
I am because bringing Swansea up from the Championship will be like returning to my glory days.

Used to have to edit the database to give Joe Allen mediocre PL potential.

Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

I figure this game is okay? All the negative reviews seem to be Chinese people shrieking like autists about miles being a liar. Everyone else seems to say its fine or are the Chinese right for once?

Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Feb 5, 2017

jyrka
Jan 21, 2005


Potato Count: 2 small potatoes

Jack2142 posted:

I figure this game is okay? All the negative reviews seem to be Chinese people shrieking like autists about miles being a liar. Everyone else seems to say its fine or are the Chinese right for once?

Sure, it's fine. It's the same it's always been essentially.

Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

Jack2142 posted:

I figure this game is okay? All the negative reviews seem to be Chinese people shrieking like autists about miles being a liar. Everyone else seems to say its fine or are the Chinese right for once?

Its good

Mandalay
Mar 16, 2007

WoW Forums Refugee
game is good

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Mandalay posted:

game is good

Nice post/avatar combo!!1

Marquis de Pyro
Sep 25, 2006

Evil Prevails
It would be nice if after winning the Champion's League and being rated the 2nd best club in Europe by the game's prestige thing or whatever, if half my team wouldn't still demand a transfer to poo poo clubs in the French leagues and so on.

Or at least I could tell them 'actually, gently caress off, we won the Champion's League so you definitely can meet your ambitions here you stupid rear end in a top hat'

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
what do you guys do for development of regens or talented young players? do you train them in skills they are already good at, or do try to round em out?

I have a central defender with like 14 marking and 14 tackling in the championship and he's only 20...I anticipate him being a part of my defense for some years...should I train him in marking or tackling....or round him out with some mental stats/passing...idk.

also what are the best roles to use? Like I read somewhere (maybe here) that its best to recruit strikers that have good physicals and than train them as poachers since it increases first touch, finishing and some other key stats

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Bogan Krkic
Oct 31, 2010

Swedish style? No.
Yugoslavian style? Of course not.
It has to be Zlatan-style.

I try to train up the really lacking stats, particularly attacking stats, while they're as young as possible, and once they've had a bit of progress start them on a training regime to specialise. I'd be training that CB up as maybe a libero or a fullback to get his pace, technique, passing and maaaaybe dribbling up a bit higher since his defensive stats are already good, and then once he's not entirely poo poo at those, train him to become an even better defender.

Physical stats are good because they aren't affected by form, but they're not a super important criteria for me when buying prospects. Strength particularly will increase heaps naturally at the age of ~20.

For strikers I tend to train them as inside forwards if they can already play a wide role, because it's got all the important stats to be a creative player and a good striker, but mostly I find I want to make up for any outstanding holes in their game and try to improve those.

I've never been any good at training mental stats though, even through tutoring...

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