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resurgam40 posted:Uh... dare I ask why Beato's face is wet in that scene? Did Lambda just throw her tea in her face or something? Exactly that. 
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CottonWolf posted:Just some stray thoughts on magic (which, of course, doesn't exist): To talk a bit about this, here's my understanding/interpretation:
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Battler came into the game after dying and going to purgatory. So, doesn't it seem likely that Ange in reality just jumps off a building and goes splat at the bottom?
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How is Ange's name supposed to be pronounced?
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Bernkastel says it about a minute into the video from the end of the update
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ProfessorProf posted:To talk a bit about this, here's my understanding/interpretation: So in fact it would be perfectly fine for Lambdadelta to make things happen with probability 1 and still be beaten by Bernkastel, if such a non-empty/probability-0 set of exceptions exists. *In number systems other than the reals, "infinitesimals" can satisfy this requirement without being equal to zero. (That's how they're defined.) But nearly everything you see with mathematics either uses the real numbers or a subset thereof, including probability theory, so the above is still sound.
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I only passed Probability in college because all but five of the students dropped out of the class before midterms so the teacher guaranteed we'd pass if we kept showing up until the end. So, I'll take your word for it.
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NGDBSS posted:*In number systems other than the reals, "infinitesimals" can satisfy this requirement without being equal to zero. (That's how they're defined.) But nearly everything you see with mathematics either uses the real numbers or a subset thereof, including probability theory, so the above is still sound. This also means that the maths teacher's favourite mindfuck fails in non-standard mathematics, because 0.99999... is no longer equal to 1, only the real part is. ProfessorProf posted:
This assumes that he doesn't know about the recursions. If he knew in advance that things would repeat, especially if he knows what the end state is, he's just playing a more passive version of Bernkastel's game.
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ProfessorProf posted:I only passed Probability in college because all but five of the students dropped out of the class before midterms so the teacher guaranteed we'd pass if we kept showing up until the end. So, I'll take your word for it. If it makes you feel any better, I too am abysmal at probability.
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There's points where it feels like he seems to be aware of the meta game on some level - but it's hard to say if he really did, or it's part of his deranged OH DESIRE ramblings
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lets hang out posted:Bernkastel says it about a minute into the video from the end of the update Oops, missed that. Thanks! I have nothing to say about theoretical mathematics.
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Beatrice REALLY hams it up in the reveal for the manga and it's kind of my favorite thing in the question arcs. Here, I'll just post the entire thing, it's amazing.    
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Tender Child Loins posted:How is Ange's name supposed to be pronounced? Like angel but without the L
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My heart is stomping around, screaming, "BEATORIIIIICHIIIII!" at this face. I want to believe!
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I'm kind of waiting for Kinzo to actually survive to the end of one of these, and then nobody actually knows what the gently caress to do with him.
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Glazius posted:I'm kind of waiting for Kinzo to actually survive to the end of one of these, and then nobody actually knows what the gently caress to do with him. He survived to the end of Episode 2, when the witch's banquet devoured him. Unless you mean leave the island. But Eva could only do that because she solved the epitaph, and Kinzo can't exactly do that--he wrote the drat thing.
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oath2order posted:He survived to the end of Episode 2, when the witch's banquet devoured him. Cheating is within the rules of the game tbf
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Tender Child Loins posted:My heart is stomping around, screaming, "BEATORIIIIICHIIIII!" at this face. I want to believe! It's a normal side effect of DESIRE.
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Memoirs by Lady Lambdadelta --------------------------- Original Translator: theacefrehley of AnimeSuki. Edited by Tiisai and oath2order -- In gratitude for your previous letter, along with some appropriate Fragments.  BGM:MELTING AWAY Boredom is poisonous to us. So, by whim, I sometimes grant humans their wishes. 'I will grant you just one wish.' Aah, it really has a bittersweet ring to it. Those words alone sweeten my black tea so much that I could drink it without putting in any sugar for seven years. Although even the humans who receive those words from me should be content with simply enjoying that bittersweetness. Of course, it's fun for me too. What kind of a wish will they tell me this time? After all, there's always the chance of coming across a new member of our kindred, contrary to my assumptions and anticipations. Unfortunately, my expectations are always betrayed. That girl said that expectations are like tea leaves. Without them, you don't even get black tea. It's just hot water. That's why, in any kind of world, it's necessary to have the right amount of expectations, hopes and dreams... It's a fitting example for her. Likewise, if there's an excessive amount of tea leaves, it's not something you'd want to drink either. It's probably not any more drinkable than the hot water without a single tea leaf. That's why I use the right amount of leaves, the way she taught me... or well, I use a little less than that. I can't drink black tea that's too bitter... I try to use just a small amount of leaves. I'm sick of listening to boring doubts like 'can I really wish for anything?' or 'what's the catch?'  And the most common of the annoying wishes that they come up with is this: 'I wish for more wishes.' The creativity to increase the finite of 'one' to the infinite... Could it be that these shallow humans feel a creator-like profoundness and a sense of superiority in that...? At any rate, my impression is the exact opposite of that. 'A wish to grant anything' is, on its own, a miracle that would easily allow you to even create a universe. if that's unclear, let me put it this way: 'A wish to grant anything' is not something you need to count as one or two. So, when they count their wishes by numbers, the miracles that humans imagine are on the same scale. It's not even worth my time to observe what sort of trifling things these worthless humans wish for with their wishes increased to, say, one hundred. If you make a hundred cups of black tea from the same small teapot, it's obvious it will become more and more diluted and unappetizing. So, if they ask for such tedious wishes, I just bluntly say 'Yeah, sure, I'll grant it. See ya', and disappear. They should just spend the rest of their lives coming up with more wishes than they can count and die without getting any one of them granted... Aah, the morons! After that one, the next most typical wish is 'I want a lot of money'. Needless to say, that is also a very tedious answer. Is money really that wonderful? Would a traveller in a desert, tormented by hunger and dehydration, leap into a mountain of money wads when he can't even eat or drink them? It's a narrow freedom that can only be obtained within the system of rules called the currency system. The shortsightedness to desire something like that, aah, it disappoints me. Do Japanese vending machines accept American quarters? Can a 100 yen coin be used at a street stall in Africa? How much money would it take for you to completely forget about grieving and mourning for a loved one who was killed? 'I want love', 'I want happiness'. These are also wishes that disappoint me. After all, all I need to do to grant those wishes is to say 'Don't worry. You are happy. You are loved.' Aah, how worthless.  Oh and besides, if I may say, there are as many forms of love and happiness as there are people. 'Love' and 'happiness' are just general terms for those myriads of unspecific emotions. These worthless humans who can't even explain their own feelings without relying on abstract words like that will never find true love or happiness even if they spent dozens of years searching. Aah, the dimwitted morons! 'I want the power to defeat anyone.' I figured this kind of a wish could be a little interesting, but the term 'anyone' is a bit excessive here. The will to use unbeatable power will ultimately falter when the user discovers they lack true opposition. Once they realize there is nobody they cannot defeat, those humans invariably end up losing the will to live. Even though I could grant them the power to create or destroy entire universes, why can't they think outside the tiny little box called the human society? Aah, I guess that's what makes them humans instead of witches. Among boring humans like that, I once met a little girl who I thought was a little more savvy than most. She told me what she was struggling with.  "Please guarantee that my efforts will certainly come true." Every once in a while, there are humans feigning to be philosophical who propose weird things that no doubt even they don't actually understand. I was sure this kid was one of them. 'My efforts' is not something limited by number. Depending on how you'd take it, what she was saying sounded basically the same as if she had been asking for an infinite number of more wishes. But the depth of her eyes seemed to tell me that she was a little different from the people who wished for that kind of thing. The hourglass had run out, but I thought I'd listen to her story for a little longer.  "Like I said, if you ask me I can grant you any wish right now even without any effort. Well, just one wish though, you know?" "...I'm telling you, my wish isn't something you can count as one or two wishes." "You mean you want a huge amount of your dreams to come true? What a greedy girl you are." "That's not it. There is only a single point I must reach. But the path that I must take there will surely be complicated and full of difficulties. A countless number of them, I'm sure. But if I'm aiming without fail at a single point then I will absolutely, inevitably, definitely reach it."Definitely reach it. That is no longer a wish. In human terms, it would be called "determination". In witch terms, it would be... 'fate'. A wish that will certainly come true cannot be called determination. It's already called 'destiny'. The creation of fate is not the domain of humans. At that moment, I saw the unmistakable radiance of my kin glittering behind her eyes. ...The girl had only made one wish. A wish she would definitely grant, a destiny... 'I want you to make me believe in it.' I thought it was interesting. Might as well grant it, I figured. But before that, I wanted to confirm it one more time. I wanted to know about the final goal of her 'destiny', her wish that she had boasted she would certainly grant on her own. In the end, she might be boring and not break the limits of humanity. ...However, I piled up more 'tea leaves'. I was 'certainly' convinced that she would meet my expectations. "Tell me, what is your true wish? What is this destiny that you say you will certainly grant yourself?" With those words, my heart was settled. I granted her wish. I gave her the guarantee that her efforts would certainly come true. The determination she spoke of was, to me, already 'fate'. And the guarantee I gave was, to her, also 'fate'. That's why the stories she authors from now on will all be 'fate'. Well, there is also a weak point in her fate. Since it's based on her own efforts, if her resolve wavers, so will her fate. Besides, I may have guaranteed that her efforts will certainly come true, but I gave no guarantee about how much effort is required for it. So I didn't think it was possible for that girl to create an eternity. I guess you could've said that it's an eternity as long as she doesn't lose heart. Well, anyway. If she just had frankly wished "please make me a god" then she would've gotten full marks from me, you know. ...Well, even if I turned a human into a god all of a sudden, their mind would just disperse, though. Maybe it's also necessary for them to take these steps known as effort in order to gradually accustom their bodies to the atmospheric pressures of the world of the almighty. Maybe our world is just like going down an infinite ladder that leads to bottomless depths. You could descend all nervous and timid, wondering how much longer there is to go until you reach the depths, or you could plunge down in excitement and hurry. But if you lose your footing... you'll fall forever towards the bottomless abyss. In that sense, I'm sure she was the cautious sort. But, well... I can't deny that excessive caution made me a little disappointed. ---Because I wanted her to hurry up and descend as far to the depths as I had. I think that girl really tried hard. I may have overestimated her in some aspects, though. Unfortunately, she was far from reaching the world I had expected she would. But that's fine. After all, she created a new witch and sent her to my side. And then, for a long time, I drifted through countless worlds.  Sometimes, upon finding an interesting-looking human, I raise them the same question. But I never again met a human asking for a wish that could surpass that girl's. That's right. Until I happened to meet a certain child.  BGM: HARUKA [Actual translator's note: The above note is included in (and translated from) the original Japanese text. This mysterious person of an ambiguous gender will henceforth be referred to with the pronoun they.] Straight to the point, huh... That's right... Those were the words I've been longing for. But I decided to stay calm and press the point. "...Make you a witch. Huh... Do you want to fly through the skies on a broom? Or do you maybe want to try putting a biscuit in your pocket and multiplying it to two?" "It's obvious that a witch could do things like that... As a witch, I can create anything I want. People, hearts, everything. And now, there's nothing I can't do... Because I am already a witch."In this child's eyes there was the same kind of radiance as the one I nostalgically recalled seeing in that little girl's eyes back then. I felt the spicy and sweet fragrance of tea leaves that I hadn't come across for many millennia. Yes, it was just like with that little girl. They would grant everything on their own. They would create. They would accomplish. They had sharp eyes that grasped destiny. And the point that the little girl said she was going to reach, this child declared they had already reached it. I was greatly interested in them. "What a loudmouth. You're already a witch...? Can you assert that you are someone can stand side by side with me, the Witch of Certainty, who holds the title of a Lady? Know your place, you puny and meager human...!" "Yes, I am already a witch. There's only one thing I want: a recommendation from another witch, acknowledging me as a witch."That was the exact same wish as that little girl had. "...You sure are a strong-willed witch. Indeed, as long as you call yourself one, nobody can deny you're a witch... But tell me. A god is a god and the Creator is the Creator even without anyone acknowledging them, you know? The same should go for witches. If you're a witch even without anyone acknowledging it, then you should be a witch even without me acknowledging it. Am I right?" "That's right. I understand that I have already begun to transcend humanity. From my point of view, I can assert that I am above all humans. However, in order to observe that I have have transcended humanity, I need to be observed by a being superior to myself." "...So even a human can recognize when a human has transcended humanity, but only a witch can recognize when they've reached the level of a witch? Is that what you mean?" "Exactly. I am aware that I have risen beyond the world of humans and reached the world of witches. I would like for you too to acknowledge that I've reached it, from the standpoint of a witch." "...So a witch needs a witch's recommendation to become a witch? That's interesting, but in that case, I wonder who acknowledged the very first witch in the world?" "Humans must have given that name to the beings whose existence transcended their own." "So what you're saying is that regardless of whether or not I acknowledge you, you're a witch." "Correct. Because I am already a witch... for that very reason, it's why I wish to be acknowledged as a witch by a superior being." "...It feels like I'm being deceived by some twisted reasoning. What if I say no?" "You don't have to acknowledge me against your will. Because in that case I'll just make you acknowledge me as well... Not even you will be able to deny that I'm a witch." "...*cackle*cackle*, ehehhehhahhahaha...! What kind of a magic system could this puny human have created, huh? ...Can I try it out? ...*cackle*cackle*!"...  And then, as I helped myself to the composition formula of that witch's magic system... I realized that she had constructed a vast magic system using an interpretation unique to her, one that I hadn't been aware of until then. [Actual translator's note: From here on Lambdadelta starts occasionally using 'she' to refer to the witch.] This kid was still inexperienced, no question about it. Her magical world was still only half finished. However, the composition formula leading to its formation was flawless and had infinite possibilities. I'm sure it'll take a long time to learn to master that infinity, but there was no room for doubt that she had already opened the door and was reaching for the other side. And above all, the unique point of this 'witch' was that she had succeeded in establishing her magic system in the human world. Witches are proportionally released from their constraints as they seek for more freedom and power. Restrictions here meaning the physical world. In other words, in order to do that, witches such as myself and those of the same rank will reach the point where we steadily drift off further and further from the physical, human world. But this witch accomplished it in the human world. That is, even with the body of a human, her feet are treading upon the same world as ours...! No... On the contrary, her composition formula is too deep. While I've been climbing down the well on the ladder one rung at a time over the course of millennia, it's as though she opened up a parasol and used that as a parachute to swoop down to the depths... and at what speed...! ...Naturally, there's the danger that that parasol might break, sending her plummeting down to abyss just like that. Because of that recklessness, impulsiveness of youth and despise for the likes of humans... as well as my interest in seeing how far this witch would be able to go, I decided to shed some light on this world yet unknown to me and felt honoured to be able to smell the sweet fragrance of this black tea that I had never savoured before. This is just my opinion, but hear me out. It could be said that all beings are placed somewhere between two extremes: the side that gets tossed about by fate, and the side that brings about fate.  Beings that have completely lost all constraints... In exchange for gaining everything, they have lost even the limitation of their own 'meaning'. ...When even the notion of life and death and the meaning of existence has been lost... they reach the level of zero. Or rather, they fall down to it. Crash down. Crumble. Vanish like mist. I think the ones placed in the middle are us, the witches. We create fate and play with it. We move around in that interstice. However, we accept certain restrictions and limitations, leaving ourselves some footing so that we won't tumble down. To the witches who are not afraid of it, the ones who are far, far ahead of me... these restrictions don't exist. Will she become the cup of black tea to alleviate even a moment of the boredom of my millennia-long journey? Or will she become a witch far superior to me who will shine a light on the depths where cowards like me might never be able to reach and show me a new world? Either one would be fine. If we supposed that I'm not a traveler towards the abyss of hell, but a disaster victim thrown into the ocean and struggling to avoid drowning... Then to me, this kid would be a splendid block of wood to cling on to. Will she become a rescue ship guiding me to a new world? Or will she be nothing more than a cup of black tea to make the few hours of my afternoon more elegant?   ...To savor this wonderful black tea all by myself would really be such a waste. I should call my friend over too, right? I have to surprise them with a wonderful tea party. *giggle*giggle*, ahhahahahahahahahahahaha...! Λ Δ （＞ｗ＜）ノ ※Translator's note: Lady Lambdadelta's signature, maybe? [Actual translator's note: Λ and Δ are the Greek characters for lamdba and delta]
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The characterization here of humans as beings who can't create is interesting. Obviously we see ourselves as "creating" things and ideas and implementing them in our world. But there are various philosophical and religious doctrines, including Buddhism, which our author would be unavoidably influenced by, that define all this as nothingness. Our works are just illusory stuff, empty, because our creations have dependent originations. That is, they depend on causality. They have no inherent existence. What, then, are witches? The human in this latest epistle says she's already a witch, but that she desires Lambdadelta's acknowledgement. Witches can create, according to Lambdadelta -- if witches actually exist, which we know they don't. They're just beings trapped in delusion. But anyway, rambling aside, could someone more familiar with the logical symbols in symbolic logic define what Λ Δ symbolizes? We've got a capital lambda, which is conjunctive, and capital delta, which is change, but I've never actually seen them side by side in any of my courses that touched on logic. I'd like to understand the symbolism of Lambdadelta's name a little better. Meaningful names is a popular trope and even more popular in Japan, as far as I can tell. We've already been over Beatrice's probable symbolism, but I don't think we've discussed Lambdadelta's or Bernkastel's. Bernkastel-Kues is a German town. Its most famous figure is probably Nikolaus von Kues, a.k.a. Cusanus, a philosopher and theologian from the 1400s. This is all Wikipedia research, since I didn't really get this in depth in Catholic theology when I was considering conversion. He wrote about the doctrine of learned ignorance, by which a mortal mind might come to know God. His philosophy anticipated the Reformation idea of the "harrowing of Hell." The harrowing is when Christ descended into hell -- in the sense of the realm of the dead, not the realm of the damned -- after the crucifixion. The Scriptures don't discuss this much, but he's said to have preached to the souls stuck in this limbo. The Catholic catechism, via the Apostles' Creed, holds that Christ actually died, descended to hell, and essentially conquered death by descending to the underworld and returning (in line with the Orpheus myth). In doing this he opened heaven for the just dead who died before him, giving virtuous souls a place to go besides limbo (or Sheol). Eastern Orthodoxy's version is broadly similar. Looking at it this way... Both Battler and Ange might be considered Christ figures. Or perhaps Ange is Orpheus. Either way, they're both descending to a limbo. Battler died, but now he is fighting to determine the truth. Ange may have just committed suicide or might have accepted a sort of divine mission from a greater being (in this case, Bernkastel) in hopes of retrieving at the very least her family's souls from being trapped in Lambdadelta's/Beatrice's tortuous limbo. Ange's ultimate hope is to defy death and resurrect the Ushiromiya family, though, not just to usher them out of limbo and on to their true final destinations. Welp that's my story
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As a reminder for what those who don't know, the child is (Higurashi) main villain Takano Miyo, the new witch being Bern, so witches are canon and real. E: also (Higurashi again) proof of Super Paper's power: Takano's efforts were rewarded even though she and Lambda technically lost to Rika /Bern, it's just her reward wasn't what she thought. Rody One Half fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Is there a Higurashi LP somewhere? I don't have archives, so I can't really search it, and "higurashi" didn't yield results on the LP Archive.
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Lambda Delta can be read as 34. So can the last name of Higurashi's antagonist. to my knowledge, that's the only symbolism there.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:Is there a Higurashi LP somewhere? I don't have archives, so I can't really search it, and "higurashi" didn't yield results on the LP Archive. No, but you aren't missing much.
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I quite like the Higurashi anime, as far as I watched it (to the end of the mystery).
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oath2order posted:Lambda Delta can be read as 34. So can the last name of Higurashi's antagonist. to my knowledge, that's the only symbolism there. That's a shame. A callback is just boring. Rodyle posted:No, but you aren't missing much. Oh, I would've figured another Ryukishi thing would be interesting. This is still anime as gently caress but aside from :amine: overload, I've enjoyed muddling along through the mystery with everyone, and hoped Higurashi would be more in the same vein.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:That's a shame. A callback is just boring. I disagree with rodyle, I think higurashi is absolutely worth the time. The anime is not a terrible choice (though they pretty much change the genre from mystery to horror.) The question arcs are also avaliable for sale, just like umi. oath2order fucked around with this message at 17:15 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Huh, I didn't think to look for it for sale. I'm too used to that poo poo being unlocalized. Thanks! ... Also, about Virgilia. I can't decide if she's just a puppet or if she's a witch that exists. She shows up in scenes that Battler obviously doesn't see, like when she advises Beatrice on the North Wind and the Sun strategy, but then she basically vanishes after the SIGN SIGN SIIIIIIIGN BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR scene. I guess we'll see if she reappears next ep, but she certainly made a hasty offscreen exit this episode.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:We've already been over Beatrice's probable symbolism, but I don't think we've discussed Lambdadelta's or Bernkastel's. Bernkastel's name is another explicit Higurashi reference. I believe it comes from a wine bottle label. Also, you could say that certain supernatural elements are quite real in Higurashi.
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Higurashi has some interesting stuff, some of which gets a better showing in Umineko, but it's just a bit too much of a mess for the length to me. POOL IS CLOSED posted:Huh, I didn't think to look for it for sale. I'm too used to that poo poo being unlocalized. Thanks! She's the witch who taught Beatrice how to use the Endless Magic and the original Beatrice.
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Rodyle posted:Higurashi has some interesting stuff, some of which gets a better showing in Umineko, but it's just a bit too much of a mess for the length to me. Right, but the Virgilia who appeared in this ep might have just been an image made by Beato to con Battler. But with all those independent scenes, I was wondering if she truly was the original Beatrice. And if she was, perhaps she's the real apple of Kinzo's eye, and this silver version is just an aged self, and Beato isn't just her metaphorical "daughter" as an apprentice, but a literal one. We kinda got into that earlier in the ep where Rosa talks about the secret mansion and the girl's death. Actually, was anything about that interlude verified in red? Or is the reality of a secret mansion and a secret girl in question? I got a bad case of can't remember poo poo.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:Actually, was anything about that interlude verified in red? Or is the reality of a secret mansion and a secret girl in question? I got a bad case of can't remember poo poo.  ProfessorProf posted:
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"So that Beato relaxing in the garden of Kuwadorian...and that conversation she had with Grandfather... were the truth?"
"Yes. It is the truth. In the past, the pair actually had a conversation like that in this place."
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Hmm. This must be significant; it's too out-of-place to be a simple aside. So Beatrice could be the alter ego of someone who doesn't necessarily identify as a woman or girl. This person wished for magic power and, in order to enact that wish, took on a feminine persona. Intriguing. Gonna double down on my "Beatrice is a mask" theory, then!
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Kuwadorian being confirmed in red really feels to me like it was a part of Ryukishi's easymode rewrite. I think he should've just left it out.
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Here is something that I feel people missed, Witches it seem need limits and acknowledgement, but I saw something else talked about that does not. CREATORs don't so it looks like witches if they are can be out classed.
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Tender Child Loins posted:Hmm. This must be significant; it's too out-of-place to be a simple aside. So Beatrice could be the alter ego of someone who doesn't necessarily identify as a woman or girl. This person wished for magic power and, in order to enact that wish, took on a feminine persona. Intriguing. Gonna double down on my "Beatrice is a mask" theory, then! It could've also included Kinzo, but in the end, didn't he wish for a fantastic sum of money? At least, that's how it seems, what with the pile of gold bars.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:It could've also included Kinzo, but in the end, didn't he wish for a fantastic sum of money? At least, that's how it seems, what with the pile of gold bars. The thought of Kinzo (or any of the relatives, tbh) parading around as Beatrice and treating Battler the way she does is possible (!?), but kinda...  I really hope this isn't that kind of story.
witchcore ricepunk fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Jan 12, 2017 18:25
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Tender Child Loins posted:The thought of Kinzo (or any of the relatives, tbh) parading around as Beatrice and treating Battler the way she does is possible (!?), but kinda... Well, given how we already know Kinzo treats others, even his own blood family, isn't far out of line. After all, he's the one who initiates this bloody rite with his own descendants. Clearly he's not invested in their happiness or wellbeing. They're tools at best from his perspective.
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