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alcaras posted:Suggestions on Charlemagne starting locations? I like to start small and grow gradually big. One of the singular Norwegian counties like Nidaros. Easily conquerable neighbours and then you can raid the gently caress out of the English for years with your free ships for a gently caress ton of gold. Forming the Kingdom of Norway is super easy with all the gold you get then you can just gently caress around as you please.
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As an aside, the suez canal mod loving owns and I'm never going to play again without it.
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Volkerball posted:As an aside, the suez canal mod loving owns and I'm never going to play again without it.
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shut up blegum posted:Oh yeah, this reminds me. Someone who I owed a favor forced me to accept a matrilineal betrothal between his daughter and my son. Still have to figure a way to get out of that one, since I'm the king and that dude was my duke. I'm guessing if he's dead I won't owe him a favor anymore and can just break the betrothal? Can't you just break the betrothal or, at worst, refuse to accept the marriage when he/she comes of age? Either that or murder the wife in whatever way possible. Either assassinate her, or if you're desperate arrest and execute her and eat the penalty. Worst case scenario: gently caress your son and move on to next in line by (if you're Christian) landing him in a temple. That is if he isn't landed already.
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This happened to me before. You can definitely break the betrothal or refuse the marriage. It's really quite silly.
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Hey all, this game is rad as hell and I've got a conundrum I need some help with. I'm doing a Viking run and managed to reform Norse paganism, becoming Fylkir in the process. This is really cool and to celebrate, I started a great holy war for Aquitaine. It's been going really well, but out of nowhere, the king of West Francia decides to join in and takes my capitol, and with it, all of my heirs, family, and their children. I have ~800 gold in the bank from raiding, but this guy won't even negotiate. To make it worse, my warscore is stuck at 90% with further conquest and army crushing meaning absolutely nothing. I've seriously considered disbanding my army and trying to capture the city they're being held in. Other than that, I think a whole generation of 420bonerfuxx are just going to die in prison.
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Napoleon Bonaparty posted:Hey all, this game is rad as hell and I've got a conundrum I need some help with. I'm doing a Viking run and managed to reform Norse paganism, becoming Fylkir in the process. This is really cool and to celebrate, I started a great holy war for Aquitaine. It's been going really well, but out of nowhere, the king of West Francia decides to join in and takes my capitol, and with it, all of my heirs, family, and their children. I have ~800 gold in the bank from raiding, but this guy won't even negotiate. To make it worse, my warscore is stuck at 90% with further conquest and army crushing meaning absolutely nothing. I've seriously considered disbanding my army and trying to capture the city they're being held in. Other than that, I think a whole generation of 420bonerfuxx are just going to die in prison. Your best bet is most likely to offer white peace to Aquitane. Militarily, you need to go capture everything West Francia sieged of yours, or you can't win the war. If that's doable, give it a shot. But yeah, in holy wars and crusades, rulers who's religion is involved in it can offer to join. So instead of just fighting Aquitane, you were going to end up fighting most of the Catholic world. They could be allied as well. Volkerball fucked around with this message at 00:11 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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I think everybody's first act as fylkir is to declare great holy war for somewhere and then get backdoored by a Francia.
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zedprime posted:I think everybody's first act as fylkir is to declare great holy war for somewhere and then get backdoored by a Francia. I know that's what I did.
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Tsk tsk tsk. If you didn't go for Africa, Greece or Andalusia I feel bad for ya son. I will never forget my heavy infantry horde rampaging through Greece, burning down holding after holding and crushing levies before finally calling a Great Holy War and instantly capturing Constantinople. Actually, I'm going to go do it again right now.
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zedprime posted:I think everybody's first act as fylkir is to declare great holy war for somewhere and then get backdoored by a Francia. Check.
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Now, if you had said Prepared Invasion, I'd agree completely. Goddamn Karlings
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Sultan Tarquin posted:One of the singular Norwegian counties like Nidaros. Easily conquerable neighbours and then you can raid the gently caress out of the English for years with your free ships for a gently caress ton of gold. Forming the Kingdom of Norway is super easy with all the gold you get then you can just gently caress around as you please. I recently did this for the first time (forming Norway) and, depending on your goals, Sweden might be better (this is my go to early Viking start). It is easier, for example, to reform the Norse faith with Sweden since you own a holy site. It's also easier to form the Scandinavian empire (slightly) because of your position and avenues of expansion. On the other hand, building Norway from a single county is pretty satisfying.
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Each scandinavian kingdom has 1 norse holy site, Naumadal is de jure Norway in case it kingdom drifted in your game. Just owning the holy sites puts you in the same league as Sweden or Denmark as far as Scandinavia the Empire conquering because of ocean zone holy wars. Basically which part of scandinavia you start in is supplying early flavor because they all turn into the same game.
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Norway is great because you can offer vassalization to all the lovely island counts. They'll happily join your wars, and have tons of boats to call up as levies once you go republic/feudal.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Goddamn Karlings This is why 1066 is the best start date
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zedprime posted:Each scandinavian kingdom has 1 norse holy site, Naumadal is de jure Norway in case it kingdom drifted in your game. Just owning the holy sites puts you in the same league as Sweden or Denmark as far as Scandinavia the Empire conquering because of ocean zone holy wars. Depending on your skill level, I just feel that Sweden is an easier start. So maybe the thing about the Norwegian holy site is that it's easier to take if you're Sweden. I certainly think it's easier to expand as Sweden because you have Finland to the East, Norway to the West and Denmark to the South. Denmark I think is actually the hardest if you want to remain Norse, because pretty quickly you're most likely to have a Catholic Karling neighbor. ZombieLenin fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jan 11, 2017 |
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ZombieLenin posted:Denmark I think is actually the hardest if you want to remain Norse, because pretty quickly you're most likely to have a Catholic Karing neighbor. My last two attempts to get a Norse Zoro Republic going both saw Widukind win his rebellion 
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Kaza42 posted:This is why 1066 is the best start date (Frowns Norsely) I DONT THINK SO PAL
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Every time I think about playing a Norse character I think about what I would have to do in order to avoid at least one generation's worth of Gavelkind and then I go "lol gently caress that" and play a Zoroastrian or an Orthodox instead.
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I solved the problem. Got nearly all my heirs and important family members back. Step 1: Kill God Step 2: Challenge the King of West Francia to a duel Step 3: Execute the King of West Francia's children at the Great Blot Step 4: Win the duel, show no mercy Step 5: Assemble 11k man raiding party Step 6: Pillage all of West Francia. Every town, castle, village, bishopric Step 7: Accept peasant king's pleas for mercy in the form of ransom offers Step 8: Give the King his gold back. Step 9: Holy war for Normandy
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Every time I think about playing a Norse character I think about what I would have to do in order to avoid at least one generation's worth of Gavelkind and then I go "lol gently caress that" and play a Zoroastrian or an Orthodox instead. But you don't even need to go out of your way doing the bastards trick or anything if you follow the common timetables: 1st gen becomes king 2nd gen becomes emperor 3rd gen reforms and feudalizes (if not 2nd gen) or if you don't want to be emperor of the rear end backwards folks 1st gen becomes king 2nd gen reforms, invades/holy wars, and feudalizes into conquered castle holdings
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Every time I think about playing a Norse character I think about what I would have to do in order to avoid at least one generation's worth of Gavelkind and then I go "lol gently caress that" and play a Zoroastrian or an Orthodox instead. Always Be Conquering Soon enough you'll have the land and piety to reform the faith and then go feudal. I usually stay in elective until my dynasty has been suitably seeded everywhere, then go merchant republic and invite all the lil landless men there and marry them. There definitely needs to be a will mechanic though; it's extremely poo poo how opaque and garbage the system is; not being able to neatly organize lands together for my kids, decide who gets what where or balance things around differently is hugely annoying, as is the fact that if you give your idiots land the inheritance then changes and you then often can't do what you wanted to do. Napoleon Bonaparty posted:I solved the problem. Got nearly all my heirs and important family members back. World Conquest at that point is almost assured, though the mongols came very, very early and that might cause problems when they finish eating India zedprime posted:Tribal gavelkind is just a speed bump even if you screw up your number of heirs because everybody gets claims for everything and you just start the prestige farming chain reaction by beating up your brothers. I'm at gen 12 or something now. It's great. I don't even have to fight wars, I just call in all my vassals and then just wait for them to do it for me, with me maybe letting my retinue take part in the fight if I feel like it.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:(Looks at religious map) Sorry, Erik the Heathen is the best Norseman
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Sorry, Erik the Heathen is the best Norseman You misspelled Haesteinn of Nantes there.
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Sorry, Erik the Heathen is the best Norseman ulmont posted:You misspelled Haesteinn of Nantes there. Man, the Kingdom of Brittany-Corsica was a good run back when I just loved burning down Rome in perpetuity. Hell, now that Berbers can raid and Norse has it as a cultural and not religious function to boat raid you could do it that way, though because of boat costs it might not work as well for long distance ones. Though tanistry loving off when you shift back from Breton is grade-A bullshit.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:I'm at gen 12 or something now. It's great. I don't even have to fight wars, I just call in all my vassals and then just wait for them to do it for me, with me maybe letting my retinue take part in the fight if I feel like it.
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It's really weird that the only game to have properly automated battles and poo poo from Paradox is the one solely about fighting a war, i.e. Hearts of Iron
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Sorry, Erik the Heathen is the best Norseman Talk poo poo get Reykjavíkked
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Could someone please post a screenshot with "change capitol" in it? I can't find it anywhere and all I get is "in the upper lefthand corner" but I'm guessing that's hidden the same way that "built stone fort" is hidden.
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Shbobdb posted:Could someone please post a screenshot with "change capitol" in it? I can't find it anywhere and all I get is "in the upper lefthand corner" but I'm guessing that's hidden the same way that "built stone fort" is hidden. You select the province you want to make your capital, and then click the crown in the upper left hand corner of the province view, between the province name and the province shield.
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Is there a way to set waypoints for armies? Southeast France is wartorn hellscape and I'd like to do a little less micromanaging of the armies movements.
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ShootaBoy posted:Is there a way to set waypoints for armies? Southeast France is wartorn hellscape and I'd like to do a little less micromanaging of the armies movements. I'm pretty sure you can hold shift while right-clicking a destination to add it to the waypoint queue.
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Dallan Invictus posted:I'm pretty sure you can hold shift while right-clicking a destination to add it to the waypoint queue. Yessssss. My patience (and thousands of men) thank you.
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ShootaBoy posted:Is there a way to set waypoints for armies? Southeast France is wartorn hellscape and I'd like to do a little less micromanaging of the armies movements. You can just set up a really really long moving route other than that no
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Re: gavelkind, the best tactic is to not get married or get any concubines, and go hard in with the seduction focus. When you have a son, acknowledge them as yours, but don't legitimize them. After you've got a few sons that have grown up a bit, pick one that has promise and legitimize him. With only one legitimate son, he'll inherit everything.
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Dallan Invictus posted:You select the province you want to make your capital, and then click the crown in the upper left hand corner of the province view, between the province name and the province shield. I haven't seen it yet, is there some other modifier? I've conquered Ireland and Wales. Wales (Marcia and to a lesser extent Kent) keep rebelling. I'd like to build my capitol near them so they are less likely to revolt (also they are feudal which will help with transition and if Ireland rebels I can use feudal troops to beat tribal troops). As a side note, the Aztecs have taken parts of Scotland but appear to have otherwise stopped. I'm good friends with them through diplomacy (they also had a long regency because I got absurdly lucky when they started turbofucking my minor Scottish holdings I killed their Emperor). They are just chilling. This seems like strange behavior for them. Should I be prepared for them to "wake up" and make me a vassal?
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Shbobdb posted:Could someone please post a screenshot with "change capitol" in it? I can't find it anywhere and all I get is "in the upper lefthand corner" but I'm guessing that's hidden the same way that "built stone fort" is hidden.  It's the greyed out crown in the upper lefthand corner of the province view, between the name and the coat of arms of the county. This character can't relocate his capital to that province (Dvina), otherwise the icon would be gold and not grey. Note that you can only make counties your capital if you personally own them. They can't be held by a vassal.
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I'd like to switch my capital to Essex but it's a technological backwater compared to sodernmanland or however it's spelled (someone took upland from me in gavelkind and I never got it back). What do you do about huge tech differentials? I have a bunch of laws that need high legalism and stuff and I don't know what'll happen if I lost that tech.
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tuyop posted:I'd like to switch my capital to Essex but it's a technological backwater compared to sodernmanland or however it's spelled (someone took upland from me in gavelkind and I never got it back). What do you do about huge tech differentials? I have a bunch of laws that need high legalism and stuff and I don't know what'll happen if I lost that tech. Keep your capital in the high tech county, and personally hold the future capital. Low tech counties that you personally hold have tech growth at a much faster rate than vassalized ones. I'd just stick with your current capital until your laws all get passed. Then when you are in position to move your capital, if you've personally held it for decades, Essex will be much better off relative to the rest of the world than it is now. Should be noted that the absolute fastest way to grow tech in Middlesex or wherever tho is to suck it up and make it your capital immediately.
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