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Important thing with the theme list for khador: The gun carriage is a winter guard model, you can take it in the list and sac pawn onto it My first take at a list: Sorscha1 War Dog Beast 09 Destroyer Marauder WG Riflemen with 3 rocketeers Gun Carriage Joe Widowmakers Marksman Min mechaniks 2 free mortars Alternatively: Sorscha2 Beast 09 Destroyer Marauder WGI with officer and 3 rockets Gun Carriage Joe Widowmakers Marksman Min mechaniks Free mortar Free field gun In either of these lists I could take malakov instead of the marksman to put the marauder on for some redline action. Beast 09 can shield guard, and if I keep him near sorscha I can sucker a hit from him onto sorscha who then sac pawns onto the gun carriage, while mechaniks repair it since it can't be greviously wounded now. I like the idea of advance move letting the jacks run interference a little better. The S1 list is going to be great for freezing poo poo to nail with these guns, but shatterstorming the widowmakers with S2 is good fun, and with iron flesh, tough, and desperate pace S2 can launch a WGIDS pretty well and they'll obliterate whatever they hit on feat turn. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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head58 posted:Shield guard on a Banishing Warded Imperatus under a kinetic field seems legit. How are you getting banishing ward and Imperatus in the same list here? Theme is shyeel non character jacks only (unless your Vyros because bond rules)
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Jan 12, 2017 20:43
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CaptCommy posted:How are you getting banishing ward and Imperatus in the same list here? Theme is shyeel non character jacks only (unless your Vyros because bond rules) You'd have to swap Imperatus out for a Phoenix. Neither Vyros has Banishing Ward.
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Jan 12, 2017 20:48
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S.J. posted:Yeah advanced move on my storm cav? whaaaaaat Advance Move is Storm Blades only, but the extra solos are just bonus points for what you are taking already. I know locally one of the guys I play with must be dancing in the sprinkler, but gaining a bunch of extra stuff for an army that is Mhorvana w/ Bloodweavers and Bloodtrackers seems to be helping him go from bad to okay instead of good to great or great to greater. Overall, I'm pleased with themes except for the Cygnar one, and even that might have more holes in actual play than I expect it to.
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Jan 12, 2017 20:50
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CaptCommy posted:How are you getting banishing ward and Imperatus in the same list here? Theme is shyeel non character jacks only (unless your Vyros because bond rules) Because I'm an idiot who didn't read the non-character part. So lose the kinetic field and shield guard to a Hyperion I guess.
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Jan 12, 2017 20:50
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I love the Convergence theme so much. Syntherion and Iron Mother are all up in that business.
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Jan 12, 2017 20:52
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Fuuuuuuuck that Khador theme list. You know the worst part? Karchev Armor Spam now gets a free Advance Move to help its scenario game. Whee! *faceplant*
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Jan 12, 2017 20:53
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head58 posted:Because I'm an idiot who didn't read the non-character part. So lose the kinetic field and shield guard to a Hyperion I guess. Go with Rahn. No Banishing Ward, but you can still have Discordia. And you get to make some variant on the joke that "Disco never dies!" while tanking the gently caress out of enemy shooting. I wish I could go with the theme on Garryth for my Journeyman, since most of my games have him losing to shooting in my meta (2 decent CoC players)
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Jan 12, 2017 20:54
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rydiafan posted:I love the Convergence theme so much. Syntherion and Iron Mother are all up in that business. making GBS threads out a theoretically infinite number of shield guard models
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Jan 12, 2017 20:59
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susan posted:Fuuuuuuuck that Khador theme list. And it lost jury rigged and the berserker chassis got way more expensive, and he dosn't boost attack anymore, so who cares? chutche2 fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Jan 12, 2017 21:06
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chutche2 posted:And it lost jury rigged and the berserker chassis got way more expensive, and he dosn't boost attack anymore, so who cares? You feel confident dealing with 10 ARM 20 MAT 7 34HP Marauders at the midline on the top of 1? I kinda don't.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:14
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susan posted:You feel confident dealing with 10 ARM 20 MAT 7 34HP Marauders at the midline on the top of 1? I kinda don't. Aren't they SPD 4? 7+4+4+4=19, not 24.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:16
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Yeah like everyone forgets about the marauders for some reason, who got secret anti collosal buffs and are natural high def caster killers.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:17
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rydiafan posted:Aren't they SPD 4? 7+4+4+4=19, not 24. If you can get a R2W off that early it's still 23, so I'm assuming hyperbole was in effect
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Jan 12, 2017 21:18
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rydiafan posted:Aren't they SPD 4? 7+4+4+4=19, not 24. Hmm. Right, math failed me. But still. 5" off midline with countercharge up is pretty hosed. Khador - Karchev the Meta Karchev the Terrible - WJ: +30 - Marauder - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Marauder - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Marauder - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Marauder - PC: 10 - Marauder - PC: 10 - Marauder - PC: 10 - Marauder - PC: 10 - Marauder - PC: 10 - Marauder - PC: 10 - Juggernaut - PC: 12 Battle Mechaniks - Leader & 3 Grunts: 3 THEME: Winter Guard Kommand
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Jan 12, 2017 21:23
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rkajdi posted:Advance Move is Storm Blades only, but the extra solos are just bonus points for what you are taking already. I know locally one of the guys I play with must be dancing in the sprinkler, but gaining a bunch of extra stuff for an army that is Mhorvana w/ Bloodweavers and Bloodtrackers seems to be helping him go from bad to okay instead of good to great or great to greater. It's Stormsmiths too, so I'm gonna throw a Battle Engine in there. Also you can get Acosta for free!
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Jan 12, 2017 21:31
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Also the Rhulic theme force is loaded in war room but wasn't in the PDF.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:32
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waah posted:Also the Rhulic theme force is loaded in war room but wasn't in the PDF. What is in it? I don't have access to update war room until late tonight.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:32
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rydiafan posted:Aren't they SPD 4? 7+4+4+4=19, not 24. With the Iron Wolf it's 7+4+9+3
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albany academy posted:If you can get a R2W off that early it's still 23, so I'm assuming hyperbole was in effect Not sure how you get a R2W off top of 1 when you spent 100 points on melee warjacks rkajdi posted:What is in it? I don't have access to update war room until late tonight. Rhulic models only For every 20 points of units, get a free CA, weapon crew, or ogrun bokur. Heavy jacks and weapon crews get reposition 3 2 extra inches of deploy
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Jan 12, 2017 21:33
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chutche2 posted:Not sure how you get a R2W off top of 1 when you spent 100 points on melee warjacks By spending 92 points on jacks and the other 8 on widowmakers I would imagine
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Jan 12, 2017 21:36
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chutche2 posted:Not sure how you get a R2W off top of 1 when you spent 100 points on melee warjacks Maybe drop the Jugg and mechanics, and take some WGI w/ rockets. I still remain unconvinced that spam provides a better list than being heavy skew and having a few side things that try to handle other issues. quote:Rhulic models only Not sure I like it, but I'm not a Rhulic player. It doesn't appear to do anything for all the bad stuff they have except give +2" of deployment.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:42
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xiw posted:Well, that's how they nerfed kickymonks! Sooooo I guess Wracks are warrior models? Wracks without AD would be very sad.
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Jan 12, 2017 21:44
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Rhulic theme list still not enough to field highshields, TAC, or OAC. I'd take 2 units of forge guard, herne and jonne, and an artillery corps to get past the 40 mark for a free bokur and a second artillery corps. I'd take Ossrum with a driller, rockram, and 2 gunners. Take two forge guard, two bokurs, two artillery corps, herne & jonne, and a siege crawler. Snipe the siege crawler, bullet dodger ossrum, and move FFE between the two mortars while ossrum hides behind bokurs. Hope that the feat and the extra bit of deployment will get the forge guard delivered. On a turn when the jacks are going into melee, just don't hot swap FFE so that those 3 focus can be put into the heavies.
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Correction, here is a take for the Cryx theme; War Room Army Cryx - New Army Theme: The Ghost Fleet 75 / 75 Army Warwitch Deneghra - WJ: +28 - Ripjaw - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Ripjaw - PC: 7 (Battlegroup Points Used: 7) - Nightmare - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 14) Captain Rengrave - PC: 0 Pistol Wraith - PC: 0 Aiakos, Scourge of the Meredius - PC: 4 - Stalker - PC: 8 - Stalker - PC: 8 Blackbane's Ghost Raiders - Blackbane & 9 Grunts: 17 Revenant Crew of the Atramentous - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Revenant Crew Rifleman - PC: 2 - Revenant Crew Rifleman - PC: 2 - Revenant Crew Rifleman - PC: 2 Revenant Crew of the Atramentous - Leader & 5 Grunts: 9 - Revenant Crew Rifleman - PC: 2 - Revenant Crew Rifleman - PC: 2 - Revenant Crew Rifleman - PC: 2 Revenant Cannon Crew - Gunner & 2 Grunts: 4 THEME: The Ghost Fleet --- GENERATED : 01/12/2017 14:22:49 BUILD ID : 2034.17-01-07 Excelsiortothemax fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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Jan 12, 2017 22:18
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I would do something like this for a karchev theme list. (Karchev 1) Karchev the Terrible [+30] - Juggernaut [12] - Juggernaut [12] - Marauder [10] - Marauder [10] - Marauder [10] - Kodiak [13] - Kodiak [13] Winter Guard Gun Carriage [18] Battle Mechaniks (min) [3] Winter Guard Field Gun Crew [4] Winter Guard Field Gun Crew [0] 7 advance move jacks, karchev can sac pawn on the gun carriage, and the two field guns knock stuff down. Carriage can start the road to war moves, and the kodiaks are just fine going through its crater AoEs. Colossals can proceed to die when marauders roll up on them.
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I will never get over the Marauder being ten. It's priced like a light beast
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I honestly can't decide if karchev wants one high arm sac pawn that can get shot to death by anything ap and boosting or a bunch of little cheap tough idiots who can minifeat for sprays.
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albany academy posted:I honestly can't decide if karchev wants one high arm sac pawn that can get shot to death by anything ap and boosting or a bunch of little cheap tough idiots who can minifeat for sprays. To be fair, you can also sac pawn onto the weapon crews. Field guns have 2 spare grunts. Since the large based model in the unit has take up, that gives you more space to sac pawn onto and then it kills a grunt instead of the gun. A kara list will kill a gun carriage, sure. But 25 boxes at 20 arm isn't trivial for most lists to deal with at range, and you can have cheap mechaniks following it. chutche2 fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Jan 12, 2017 |
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True. It's just every time I've used the GC (which isn't much tbh) I've been trampling it like an idiot all over the place and not really within 3" of my caster.
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This one's called "gently caress u" Edit: wrong one Kommander Harkevich, The Iron Wolf - WJ: +28 - War Dog - PC: 3 - Marauder - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Marauder - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 10) - Marauder - PC: 10 (Battlegroup Points Used: 8) - Kodiak - PC: 13 - Kodiak - PC: 13 - Juggernaut - PC: 12 - Juggernaut - PC: 12 - Juggernaut - PC: 12 Winter Guard Rifle Corps - Leader & 5 Grunts: 8 Considering I've never really needed a Hark cloudwall you can drop Kodiak to get max WGI + joe
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The Cygnar one is ok but the main thing that hurts it is the lack of pathfinder if your caster doesn't bring it. If the Stormblade Captain still handed out Relentless Charge to other Storm Knights I would be super psyched for it. Edit. Looks pretty good with Maddox though which is thematic too. Friendly Fire fucked around with this message at 00:03 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Ret one is really funny. You lose Lys Healer and Disco but 10 Griffons and Imperatus with Shield Guard seems hilarious. I'm not sure I like it with any of the other casters. Maybe a Helios Rahn build? It just seems like "you are allowed to take sentinels" is a better special rule than what the theme offers.
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I'm thinking something like this for the Cygnar theme. Theme: Storm Division 75 / 75 Army Major Beth Maddox - WJ: +30 - Stormclad - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 18) - Stormclad - PC: 18 (Battlegroup Points Used: 12) - Firefly - PC: 8 Major Katherine Laddermore - PC: 8 Stormblade Captain - PC: 0 Captain Arlan Strangewayes - PC: 0 Journeyman Warcaster - PC: 4 - Firefly - PC: 8 Stormblade Infantry - Leader & 5 Grunts: 10 - Stormblade Infantry Officer & Standard - Officer & Standard: 5 - Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner - PC: 2 - Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner - PC: 2 - Stormblade Infantry Storm Gunner - PC: 2 Storm Lances - Leader & 4 Grunts: 20 I'd probably go with a second unit of Storm Lances instead of the Blades but I don't own them.
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The tharn theme seems hella lame. But I'm the only person in the world that thinks ravagers are great now and I shelved my bloodtrackers after two games in mark 3, so I guess what the hell do I know. Snacking is really underwhelming. RFP is corner case useful and circle beasts are typically either full health or dead.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:The tharn theme seems hella lame. But I'm the only person in the world that thinks ravagers are great now and I shelved my bloodtrackers after two games in mark 3, so I guess what the hell do I know. Snacking is really underwhelming. RFP is corner case useful and circle beasts are typically either full health or dead. It ain't corner case against High Reclaimer, who you will be seeing.
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My local meta doesn't have a menoth player so I never remember any of it.
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S.J. posted:It ain't corner case against High Reclaimer, who you will be seeing. I don't find that melee RFP is as effective as you hope it to be tbh
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chutche2 posted:I don't find that melee RFP is as effective as you hope it to be tbh I mean if you're sending warpwolves or whatever into a bunch of infantry that can be feated back it's going to be relevant. RFPing a bunch of idrians so they can't get feated back and get backstrike prey shots on your caster or battlegroup is a thing. S.J. fucked around with this message at 04:12 on Jan 13, 2017 |
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Jacks were such a constant problem when I was using circle I can barely conceptualize sending warpwolves into infantry anymore.
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